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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Feb 19, 2009 14:25:28 GMT -5
I loved the writers seemingly speaking to the audience with the speech in the church about making a leap of faith and suspending disbelief. I dunno it just totally seemed like they were speaking ot the audience at that point.
Love your theory RB. totally buying into it.
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Post by TC on Feb 19, 2009 15:29:08 GMT -5
I think Ben killed Penny - it would serve as the way of getting Desmond back to the island (for revenge). Unlike Jack/Sun/etc - Desmond would have to sail to the island.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Feb 19, 2009 16:22:48 GMT -5
Ben reading Ulysses, based on the Odyssey, a reflection of Lost. Also, from Wikipedia Ulysses
is full of puns, parodies, and allusions—as well as its rich characterisations and broad humour, again what the writers of Lost tried to do. Also, Bloomsday is 616, close to 316, as far as numbers go.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Feb 19, 2009 18:20:58 GMT -5
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
Just throwing it out there becuase it makes sense with the episode and what's coming next week.
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Post by vcjack on Feb 19, 2009 20:13:42 GMT -5
Ben is so immoral, what a dude.
On the opposite side, Hurley buying up a lot of seats to minimize causalities was also a great idea.
Oh and Penelope is dead I think, just because they didn't show the murder onscreen yet doesn't mean it won't happen.
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Post by jgalt on Feb 19, 2009 20:47:00 GMT -5
How horrible was that airline they were on? first you have one guy buying like half the seats on the plane then you have hurley and jack saying "are you ready for this" right before they are going to get on the plane, then everybody in the first compartment just happens to know each other AND the pilot? no thats not suspicious at ALL... I'm not sure that this matters much, but the turbulence and light on the plane began right after Ben got up to "give Jack some privacy." Noticably, he walked forward, toward the cockpit. Coincidence? My guess is no and that Ben did something to make it happen. What, I have no idea. In the original crash, Charlie is in the bathroom doing heroin (it is the b-room in the front of the plane too) im guessing this is where Ben goes. The most interesting thing for me will be finding out what time they are in. You also have to remember that it has been three years since locke left the island apparently locking them into a time period. so the jumpers have been living there and probably assimilating into dharma. that will be interesting to see. |
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Feb 19, 2009 20:55:09 GMT -5
i fully expect us to revert back to the flash back style of story telling we're used to from the begining of lost to catch us up on off island stuff, as well as on island stuff.
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Post by jgalt on Feb 20, 2009 12:11:19 GMT -5
something that bothered me from last night (and its been touched on kind of) was that everyone (the characters) was so shocked that everybody was on that plane! havent they gotten it at all yet?? like you think these things arent going to happen? this is why i loved hawkins line last night when she was explaining the island (sort of). She was basically like, "get with the program you guys! none of this makes sense so stop asking!" that was direct to the audience but i wish the characters would take her advice and stop being so shocked when crazy stuff happens!
is it really THAT shocking that you all end up on the same plane when you compare that to being on an island that moves through time and space and is being warred over by a billionaire, an Edited, and some guy who never ages? come on.
rant over- cant wait for next week!
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Feb 20, 2009 12:25:33 GMT -5
this is why i loved hawkins line last night when she was explaining the island (sort of). Hawking? |
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Post by jgalt on Feb 20, 2009 13:59:37 GMT -5
this is why i loved hawkins line last night when she was explaining the island (sort of). Hawking? yeah sorry typing too fast |
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Post by Boz on Feb 24, 2009 14:46:02 GMT -5
In the words of Basil Exposition:
I suggest you don't worry about those things and just enjoy yourself.
;D
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Post by Cambridge on Feb 24, 2009 17:02:10 GMT -5
So, to get back to the island, the Oceanic Six have to recreate best they can the conditions of the first flight or whatever. my question is, does this apply to everyone that goes to-and-from the island? Like Ben, Juliette, Richard, Gay Other who meets Michael in NYC, etc...I mean Juliette got there in a submarine - that sub was blown up by locke - so now, what's the story? How do the rest of them move to and from civilization? Also, Hawking said that Dharma created that pendulum over the source of electromagnetic energy or whatever back in the day b/c they knew the right question to ask was "where would the island be at a given point in time" -- so that means the island was always moving - how is that movement different from the movement transporting our friends this season? That movement was just hte island's location while this movement was location and past/present/future? Pls answer, thx. I think the difference was that while the island was moving before, it was moving in a more predictable manner. The appropriate metaphor appears to be a needle in a groove on a record aboard a ship. The needle is the the castaways. The record is the island in regards to the castaways. The ship represents the island in regards to the rest of the world. The ocean represents time as we know it off the island. When the island was skipping, the needle (or the castaways) were off the groove. The record was still turning, but when it reached a certain point it skipped hard to another spot on the record. This means time usually progresses somewhat linearly on the island; however it is possible to move to a different groove on that record - move in time. However, this skipping did not affect the movement of the ship in the ocean. The island was still traveling along the same measurable axis - otherwise the equation that allowed them to track the island would no longer work. Therefore, at this point the record is still skipping, but the boat is still sailing on its course. |
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Post by vcjack on Feb 24, 2009 17:06:23 GMT -5
So, to get back to the island, the Oceanic Six have to recreate best they can the conditions of the first flight or whatever. my question is, does this apply to everyone that goes to-and-from the island? Like Ben, Juliette, Richard, Gay Other who meets Michael in NYC, etc...I mean Juliette got there in a submarine - that sub was blown up by locke - so now, what's the story? How do the rest of them move to and from civilization? Also, Hawking said that Dharma created that pendulum over the source of electromagnetic energy or whatever back in the day b/c they knew the right question to ask was "where would the island be at a given point in time" -- so that means the island was always moving - how is that movement different from the movement transporting our friends this season? That movement was just hte island's location while this movement was location and past/present/future? Pls answer, thx. Lots of speculation on Lost boards that Dharma did something to "anchor" the island in a specific spot by creating Desmond's number computer but after that blew up it started moving again. |
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Post by Joe Hoya on Feb 24, 2009 21:56:48 GMT -5
The most recent issue of ESPN Magazine (Dwight Howard is on the cover) has an article about an ice climber. The article is entitled "Deep Play," after a theory from an 18th-century philosopher. "Deep play" is defined as "a pursuit in which the stakes are so high that it is...irrational for men to engage in it at all."
I think the show might correlate to this theory in some way. If you look at the war that seems to be going on between Ben and Widmore, they have raised the stakes so high (i.e. killing/promising to kill each others daughters, risking the lives of innocent plane passengers just to try to get back to the island, etc.) that the risks almost seem to outweigh whatever reward there may be in the end.
Oh, and the name of that 18th-century philosopher?
Jeremy Bentham.
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Post by strummer8526 on Feb 25, 2009 21:46:41 GMT -5
Was Locke's car accident in any past episode? My roommate is convinced that we saw it in a past episode, maybe w/ a different character's flash-forward. But I can't remember.
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Post by jgalt on Feb 25, 2009 22:00:15 GMT -5
1. Does the Exit remind anyone else of the exit from Being John Malkovich minus the birthing fluids?
2. So now they bring in the 23 numerology! Get over all the allusions
3a. Why didnt locke ask Walt how he got off the island??? Like really why not??? That is the ONLY thing i would want to know. And what did Walt say when he got back? "oh yeah i just got dropped off by this submarine, no biggie!"
3b. So Walt has to go back too? Oy.
4. So locke went and talked to all of the O6 (well most) and told them they had to go back, but then they are shocked when Ben tells them the same thing AND none of them happen to mention that they saw locke (or did they and i just dont remember?)
5. How did Locke know who Hawking is?
6. And sorry about Abbadon you guys.
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Post by vcjack on Feb 25, 2009 22:09:29 GMT -5
Christian told Locke about Eloise right before he turned the wheel
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Feb 25, 2009 22:49:02 GMT -5
We should have a moratorium on posting about the Wed. episodes until 1 am EST, because that is when we left coasters have seen the show.  I am getting ready to see last week's episode and this week's episodes, so I will read comments tomorrow. |
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Post by RBHoya on Feb 25, 2009 23:28:10 GMT -5
Seemed like the new crash survivors were actually over on the Hydra Island (believe thats what I saw on the dharma cover). That would jive with what I said previously that they'd land on the runway that the Others were making in Season 3... except the plane was in the jungle, haha. Maybe he used the runway and just drifted off of it at the end to land in the jungle? Not sure since it seemed kinda close to the beach, but that still woulda made sense, cause why the hell else did they drop in the thing about the runway?
Not sure if it was Sun who ran off with Lapidus. Shouldn't Sun be back in the 70s with Jack Kate and Hurley? We know Ben didn't go back, and Sayid is still up in the air... but it just seems logical to me that the Oceanic 5 would all be transported, or if 3 of them were then 5 of them should have been. Guess next week will let us know. Don't really have any idea who mayve run off with Lapidus if it wasnt Sun. However I think we can be pretty sure that the dude from Vantage Point and/or Ben were the ones shooting at Sawyer/Juleit/Dan/Charlotte/Miles/Locke in the canoe a few weeks ago.
So is Widmore a good guy? I mean they have always blurred the lines between good and bad, with a lot of characters sort of in-between. But tonight he seemed pretty legit. Interesting that he was leader of the Others before Ben manipulated him out of it. Not sure when that happened, time-wise relative to the purge. It always seemed like the purge was the moment when Ben took the lead as an Other and sort of threw off all his ties with Dharma. But he'd have to have made Widmore leave prior to that, right? Because didn't Widmore fund Dharma to some extent? Or did I make that up?
And yes--the forthcoming "War" will undoubtedly pwn. Sounds like that might be what Season 6 is based around.
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Post by FLHoya on Feb 25, 2009 23:39:02 GMT -5
The most recent issue of ESPN Magazine (Dwight Howard is on the cover) has an article about an ice climber. The article is entitled "Deep Play," after a theory from an 18th-century philosopher. "Deep play" is defined as "a pursuit in which the stakes are so high that it is...irrational for men to engage in it at all." I think the show might correlate to this theory in some way. If you look at the war that seems to be going on between Ben and Widmore, they have raised the stakes so high (i.e. killing/promising to kill each others daughters, risking the lives of innocent plane passengers just to try to get back to the island, etc.) that the risks almost seem to outweigh whatever reward there may be in the end. Oh, and the name of that 18th-century philosopher? Jeremy Bentham. I guess when you've got characters on the show named Locke, Bentham, Rousseau and Bakhunin, your Political and Social Thought syllabus is bound to come in handy. The Two B's were big eye roll moments for me...somehow Rousseau took a long time to register even though one of the main characters is named after another one of the Social Contract All Stars. I could go for some Russian-style anarchism on Lost though. Wonder if Mikhail has a deeper backstory lurking. |
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I am getting ready to see last week's episode and this week's episodes, so I will read comments tomorrow.
