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Post by strummer8526 on Jan 22, 2009 0:20:53 GMT -5
I definitely think that the old lady is Faraday's mom.
I think that when Alpert says that the next time he sees Locke, he won't recognize him, he's referring to the time Locke is a child. Was a compass one of the items that he presented to Locke in that flashback?
Frogurt needed to go.
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Post by vcjack on Jan 22, 2009 1:34:09 GMT -5
1. Hurley's recap of the entirety of Lost to his mom was great
2. I remember last season when Sun took over her dad's company she told him that he blames him for Jin's death and one other person. Clearly Ben is to blame for the freighter exploding, but I wasn't comfortable on how she told Kate "I don't blame you, but by the way, where is Jack?".
3. Clearly eventually the Losties will flash back in time to a point when Dharma discovers the wheel in the Orchid station and Faraday will infiltrate the station to do something
4. If Desmond "doesn't count", what about the helicopter pilot?
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Post by Boz on Jan 22, 2009 10:14:07 GMT -5
Some responses (aka guesses):
1. I am a little confused as to how the moving through time is doing anything to protect the island from Widmore. Plus, as Faraday explained, it is not the island that is necessarily moving through time, it is the people on it. Space-time are connected, of course, so I have to think Buffalo's idea is on the money, that it is moving through space and time together.
2. Faraday and Richard clearly have to be connected in some way. Not sure what yet.
3. I think the reason Richard won't recognize Locke the next time they meet is that it will be in the past, before Richard even showed up for his trinket interview with the young John Locke. That's why he gave him the compass.
4. The Lost girls on WP seem convinced that Ms. Hawking (appropriate name, by the way) is, in fact, Faraday's mother. That seems to make sense (which of course means that it's not the case).
5. I thought the "old school Army guys" were wearing Dharma uniforms, weren't they? I have to watch that again. I guess that was wrong. It certainly doesn't seem consistent that the Army guys OR Dharma people would be firing flaming arrows. I'm assuming the flaming arrows came from some older iteration of the Hostiles/Others.
6. Frogurt was really funny in "That Thing You Do." I can't remember anything else he has done. But clearly, as the hysterical one, he was the first marked for death (or was he......?)
7. I like the idea of Sun as a new "bad guy." She wants to kill Ben, that much is clear, but on top of that, I think she has it in for Kate and Jack. That may be enough to get her to go back to the island too. (at which point, Ben will explain that Jin isn't really dead and she will cease being a bad guy).
8. Charlotte dying would be consistent with the writers of this show having it in for women. The ladies get the shaft on 'Lost.'
9. I thought Faraday said that Desmond was the one who could stop the island from skipping.
Additional questions from me....
1. Who sent the lawyers? It has to be either Ben or Sun.
2. Was the LAPD officer who showed up at Hurleys house the same guy -- Abaddon -- who visited him in the mental institution, and also visited Locke in the hospital? You know, the guy from Oz and The Wire? He sure looked like him, but it was difficult to see -- of course -- through the frosted glass.
3. Libby says hi........freakin' TEASES! Why wouldn't she be the one to show up and give Hurley advice, huh?
That's all I can think of for now.
EDIT: one more. 4. Come on, now Miles.....you found a dead boar? What are you hiding, man?
I think the addition of the "scientists" Miles, Faraday, Charlotte -- and I'll include Frank as well -- was a big boost last season. They are all great characters. Obviously, we'll be seeing a lot of the first three this season, but I hope we haven't seen the last of Lapidus.....Lost needs The Lawnmower Man!!! ;D
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Post by Cambridge on Jan 22, 2009 11:42:34 GMT -5
1. Hurley's recap of the entirety of Lost to his mom was great 2. I remember last season when Sun took over her dad's company she told him that he blames him for Jin's death and one other person. Clearly Ben is to blame for the freighter exploding, but I wasn't comfortable on how she told Kate "I don't blame you, but by the way, where is Jack?". 3. Clearly eventually the Losties will flash back in time to a point when Dharma discovers the wheel in the Orchid station and Faraday will infiltrate the station to do something 4. If Desmond "doesn't count", what about the helicopter pilot? She definitely blames Jack. |
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jan 22, 2009 11:57:29 GMT -5
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jan 22, 2009 12:06:49 GMT -5
The island is definitely moving in time AND space, unless it is a completely new island made from volcanic eruptions.
Somebody interested in getting Kate back on the island sent the lawyers.
And I thought too that one of the cops was Abaddon at first. Then when I tried to get a better look, I wasn't sure.
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Post by jgalt on Jan 22, 2009 12:51:06 GMT -5
Some responses (aka guesses): 3. I think the reason Richard won't recognize Locke the next time they meet is that it will be in the past, before Richard even showed up for his trinket interview with the young John Locke. That's why he gave him the compass. Yeah, just like with Ethan, who may have still shot John but would have recognized him had it not been in the past. Richard knows a hell of a lot more than he lets on so he was smart to tell John that. im pretty sure it is two, she knows here physics stuff and so that is why faraday sent desmond to her (and why they cut out her name when faraday was telling des) i cant remember if they were wearing dharma stuff, but they DEFINITELY were the ones shooting the arrows. if you watch the preview people wearing their uniforms are shown shooting the arrows. it wouldnt be strange for the dharma/hostiles to do that considering they have limited supplies of ammo. i always wondered why they never tried to build arrows/spears to protect them selves. also the arrows would have been a lot more effective for a surprise attack on the beach like they showed because it seemed like the intent was to drive people off the beach (killing some in the process) and into the arms of other people waiting to capture/kill the survivors. i dont know if they are dharma or not, but didnt the guy say "what are you doing on OUR island" where the dharma people would usually say "the island" because it isnt really theirs? just a thought. those poeple were clearly well in the past because that guy had an M1 carbine from early WWII at the latest (maybe korean war era). that would place them earlier than dharma. but that was also the same period where richard was helping locke meaning richard (and the hostiles) were their too and may or may not have been connected with the arrow shooters wasnt he also the accused murder in the vastly underrated "jury duty" with polly shore? yeah he did. i guess because Desmond can relay messages to the future/present so that the people in the future/present can work to stop what is happening. definitely ben. sun could have just called (like she did) and kate probably would have gone even if she wasnt freaking out about the lawyers its because he can talk to the dead, hence he knew how long it was dead. i concur on all counts, and im pretty sure that Frank will be in them still. remember he volunteered to get involved after he saw that the wreck was a hoax. ps. boz hope it doesnt look like i am picking on your post, it was just the easiest to quote and respond to. |
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jan 23, 2009 11:08:11 GMT -5
My questions about the premier that haven't already been brought up:
1. In the opening scenes where daniel is seen. Is that current daniel who's there as a result of the island's skipping, or was daniel on the island in the past?
2. Are all of the island's skips in the past? or will/can they skip into the future?
3. How awesome would it have been if the episode had ended with someone saying: "Guys......When are we?"
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Post by Boz on Jan 23, 2009 12:01:45 GMT -5
3. How awesome would it have been if the episode had ended with someone saying: "Guys......When are we?" Ha! Good one. Actually, I think the island skipping will be used as a vehicle to bring a number of characters back, including Charlie. I know they are sort of "back" now with Hurley seeing dead people, but I can guarantee there will be a time when one of the skippers sees Charlie, Boone, Shannon or hell, maybe even Arzt and will want to try to save them. To which Faraday, of course, will repsond, "You can't." |
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Post by jgalt on Jan 23, 2009 18:53:39 GMT -5
My questions about the premier that haven't already been brought up: 1. In the opening scenes where daniel is seen. Is that current daniel who's there as a result of the island's skipping, or was daniel on the island in the past? i think its going to be a Daniel as a result of the island skipping, it would be too messy to explain my Daniel is suddenly like Richard (even more so because the showed him at oxford as, apparently, a younger student), but Lost has never been afraid to get messy (that sounds wrong) i dont know, but i sure as hell hope so! (laser guns and flying cars anyone? anyone...? no...just me? ok then) |
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Post by Cambridge on Jan 26, 2009 12:59:12 GMT -5
Now that time travel is established as central to the Island and the plot, I'm beginning to think that many of the characters we have encountered are actually just future or past manifestations of characters we already know.
For example, I have a couple suggestions:
1) British military guy with "Jones" nametag - Charles Widmore: I am increasingly convinced that Widmore has to have been to the Island once before and is trying to return there. I'm fairly certain he has mentioned military service in the past. For some reason I can't stop thinking Jones is a young Widmore.
2) Jack - Jacob: Jacob's strange connection to Christian and Claire leads me to believe he is much closer to Jack than we imagine. The fact that Jack has been unable to see him and the cabin appears to also be skipping through time and space leads me to suggest (purely speculatively) that Jack is Jacob.
3) Abbadon - Walt: Wouldn't that make sense? Especially in light of his conversation with Locke at the hospital and Hurley at the asylum?
I'm sure others can take this further, but just something I was puzzling about this weekend.
PS Regarding Faraday, I'm sure that his "past" trip to the Island was actually a future as of yet unseen trip back in time.
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Post by Boz on Jan 26, 2009 20:19:31 GMT -5
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jan 26, 2009 21:22:30 GMT -5
Why doesn't Alpert have absolute control on the island? He seems to be in charge, but has to get people (Linus, Locke) to do his bidding.
And what is the significance of the Foucault pendulum? Maybe to help Ms. Hawking to find the island?
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Post by RBHoya on Jan 26, 2009 23:22:15 GMT -5
For example, I have a couple suggestions: 1) British military guy with "Jones" nametag - Charles Widmore: I am increasingly convinced that Widmore has to have been to the Island once before and is trying to return there. I'm fairly certain he has mentioned military service in the past. For some reason I can't stop thinking Jones is a young Widmore. I think you're probably onto something here. Based on the way those chaps referred to it as "OUR ISLAND", which is also how Widmore refers to it, and the fact that they had British accents. It would seem that given his knowledge of the island and his lust for it, Widmore probably has been there at some point before. Also, those guys seemed pretty aggressive and protective, ready to chop off Juliet's hand pretty quickly. The only thing is, I am not so sure that he IS Jones--more likely Widmore is a member of whatever organization those guys were a member of, and is somewhere on the island rocking a military suit with Widmore on the chest. Then somehow he'll leave the island, somebody (a polar bear?) will turn the frozen wheel and Widmore will go to great lengths to find it again/off Ben and his people/take control. You also might be onto something with Jack=Jacob but I suspect we are a ways away from clarification on that. But Christian and Claire being in Jacob's cabin makes me think there is something special about that family. It would also be a neat way to end the love triangle in a way that could sort of make everybody happy. Kate and Sawyer could get together (which I think more viewers would prefer than what we've seen of the Kate/Jack off-island relationship) and Jack can sort of ultimately end up as a higher power/greater good type of character with a sort of other-worldly purpose. I think everyone goes home happy in that scenario. Not sure about Walt as Abbadon though. That one is a little too far out for me. I think Walt is gonna be key, and I was thinking we might see an Abbadon/Alpert feud that turns out to be even bigger and more important than the Ben/Widmore feud from last year. But Walt as Abbadon? Dont know if Im ready to see that one yet. What am I going to do when Georgetown plays at the same time that LOST is on? Hopefully catch the game on the laptop while watching LOST on tv... But I hate distractions during either, so we'll see. |
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jan 27, 2009 16:06:14 GMT -5
[ What am I going to do when Georgetown plays at the same time that LOST is on? Hopefully catch the game on the laptop while watching LOST on tv... But I hate distractions during either, so we'll see. GO WEST, YOUNG MAN!!!  |
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Post by kchoya on Jan 27, 2009 17:44:03 GMT -5
[ What am I going to do when Georgetown plays at the same time that LOST is on? Hopefully catch the game on the laptop while watching LOST on tv... But I hate distractions during either, so we'll see. GO WEST, YOUNG MAN!!! Tivo (or Divo as my mother still calls it). |
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Post by jgalt on Jan 27, 2009 18:44:44 GMT -5
or watch it on abc.com the next day
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Post by RBHoya on Jan 29, 2009 9:40:11 GMT -5
Excellent episode. Much needed right now for Hoya fans. They are slowly starting to unfold some of this stuff for us. Looks like you're right that Mrs. Hawking (Eloise) is the same as the young girl with the rifle who is one of the hostiles/others (Ellie), and also Daniels mother who Des is going to see. Also note that Farrady names his rat after her I also think you're right Buff that Widmore is potentially Farraday's dad. Which is yet another interesting twist. I wonder if Mrs. Hawking is Penny's mom too or no? We'll probably find out soon as Des and Penny seem to be on their way to LA meet her. Also if Widmore is Farraday's dad, does Farraday know this? Obviously they have a pretty tight relationship since Widmore has been funding him. This all seems to explain how Widmore, Ms. Hawking and Farraday all have a pretty intimate knowledge of the island and its properties. I haven't even been fully able to wrap my mind around the consequences of Widmore being an Other long before Ben was even on the scene, but it makes a lot of sense and is really interesting. The whole Locke/Richard thing was on point. Last year's episode revolving around that relationship makes so much sense now. Richard showed up in 1956 in the hospital in California just as Locke had told him. That's why Richard looked so happy to see Locke being born--he knew that Locke was telling him the truth when he visited him. Locke clearly had some knowledge of the island as a boy (his drawing of the smoke monster) but had not yet been given the compass, so he did not pick it, which showed that fate still had some work to do to get john the compass.... if I'm understanding their time travel theory correctly, haha. But I like how that happened, that's clearing up that previously mysterious interaction between Richard and baby/young Locke last year. If you didn't say "Awww" when you realized that Des and Penny named the baby after Charlie, you are stone cold. Seems like they're building a next generation of characters now with Aaron, Ji Yeon, Sawyer's Clementine and now little Charlie Hume. Just as the whole LOST saga predates the original 815 crew, I suspect their offspring will play in as well. Should be interesting to see when/how Des makes it to LA. Boat wont get him there in 70 hours I dont think. Seems like Des is unwittingly going to take Penny with him to see Mrs. Hawking, which will put her right in Ben's clutches, and remember he has vowed to kill her. I still wanna see some more of Abbadon and how he fits in here. I am pretty sure there is more to that guy than just being Widmore's henchman, just as there is clearly more to Richard than just being Ben's henchman. It's beginning to seem that Richard is somehow immortal (or something close) and he just recruits humans from the outside world to his Others group. Anyone think Widmore might end up turning the frozen wheel at some point? It's starting to become clearer, how Ben and Widmore kinda fit together. They are both disciples of Jacob and by extension Alpert, but both have different agendas for the island it seems. Perhaps Widmore falls out of favor with Jacob/Alpert/Ellie at some point, maybe trying to exploit the island for personal gain, which is why he ends up funding Dharma. Overall really satisfying episode. They are starting to show us a lot more of the island's past which is great and exactly what I'm hoping for. A lot of the mysteries are starting to unfold but they're still leaving a lot of questions out there which will make the plot interesting going forward. |
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Post by Cambridge on Jan 29, 2009 9:48:25 GMT -5
Notes made during commercial breaks: COMMERCIAL BREAK 1: What DO we know? Mrs. Hawking is amongst them! Richard, upon walking into the tent with Daniel, Charlotte and Miles, says "Ellie here tells me..."; gotta be Eloise Hawking, the old white-haired lady from Desmond's infamous season two (three?) flashbacks and last week's second episode (the old woman in the church telling Ben there was no time to lose). COMMERCIAL BREAK 2: Now I think its safe to say Ellie/Eloise Hawking/the old white-haired lady is Faraday's mom. Walking to the bomb, Faraday mentioned how she looked "so much like..." before going out of his way to make the point he was being anything BUT forward with the little munchkin. COMMERCIAL BREAK 3: Good call, 'bridge! Widmore is on the island!!! And better yet, I bet he's Faraday's father. He's on the island with Ellie, its hot, they're sweaty. That's why he funded his research for 10 years, that's why he knows where Faraday's mom is... oh, and that makes Penny and Faraday at LEAST step-siblings. Also - what role does a buried hydrogen bomb play in the island's special abilities? END OF SHOW: FutureMrsBuffaloHoya got all emotional - and I have to admit, I did too - when Des revealed Baby Hume's name was Charlie. GREAT touch, producers. Also - its now pretty clear why Alpert went to visit a young John Locke right after his premature birth (proof of Locke's birth, per their discussion in the army camp) and when he was young ("What belongs to you ALREADY, John"... John chose the sand and the knife, NOT the compass). Awesome episode. Much easier to digest than last week's two hour information orgy. Piece by piece everything is coming together. I not only called he was on the Island, I pegged him as "Jones" and was correct. |
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