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Post by vcjack on May 14, 2009 9:38:09 GMT -5
Some thoughts before I go back and watch some of those scenes again.
1. The Jacob vs Stubble dude battle may be good vs evil but also it could be Life vs Death. Everyone new guy works through have been dead (its possible smokey with all of the dead people it can appear as is his pet too). And Jacob had a line when talking to Hurley saying something like "I'm very much so alive".
2. Great line in the Jack flashback by Jacob "sometimes all it needs is a push". I guess that's what he does/did.
3. Old Eloise was very keen on getting everyone back to the island to go back in time and cause the incident (no way the bomb changes the past) but interesting that she didn't actually see what happened. Could be a source of confusion later.
4. It I'm right and the past doesn't change, something is going to happen to Team Daddy Issues to get them away from either Dharma or the Island because when little Ben gets back to the village they can't be around for him to re-meet.
5. One minor mystery is we still don't know who Juliet shoots from the Ajira canoe group. Guess we got to wait some more.
6. Faraday was supposed to be younger than Charlotte? Yeah sure...
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Post by TC on May 14, 2009 10:58:31 GMT -5
7) If jacob is god how ridiculous is his saying to ben "What about you?" Not very. He says just about the same thing to Hurley, although in a different manner - Hurley thinks he is cursed and Jacob convinces him that what he's been given isn't a curse but a blessing. I didn't take that as a flippant comment, but one that was meant to encourage some self-reflection in Ben ("What about you?"). Ben is very Abel-ish in that scene - I took his character as kind of "what if Job had forsaken God"? Ben's lost his position, his children, and he lost his health (just like Job). My questions : - Knowing that Jacob lives in the statue, is Jacob's cabin really "Jacob's cabin"? Did Ben really take Locke to see Jacob, or did he knowingly take Locke to see the mystery man? - How did Bernard know Juliet was going to die? If you watch that scene at the end where he asks her to have some tea, there's some definite foreshadowing to Juliet's death and Bernard gives her a look like he knows she won't be back - Possessed Locke looks scared that "they are coming" (I interpreted "they" as Jack/Kate/Sawyer/Jin/etc) - Richard says he saw all those people die (Hurley/Jack/Kate/Sawyer) - is he talking about the blast? |
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Post by Nevada Hoya on May 14, 2009 14:08:39 GMT -5
Is Stubble somehow a shapeshifter?
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 14, 2009 16:20:58 GMT -5
1) I Took the what about you as more like. " What like you're so special?" Like "why should I care about you?"
2) I took the they're coming as illana and her people but who knows.
3) Damn if anything there's even more to explain after 5 seasons than there has ever been.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 14, 2009 17:10:54 GMT -5
4) apparently on Jacob's tapestry there was ancient greek text.
the text translates to "May heaven grant you in all things your heart's desire," and is actually part of the Odyssey.
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Post by RBHoya on May 14, 2009 22:39:38 GMT -5
The more I think about that episode the more I like it. After the Season 3 finale it is definitely one of my all-time favorites. The stuff in the 70s was hit or miss but everything about the Jacob storyline was top-notch and I'm crazy intrigued. For those of us who are focused on (obsessed with?) learning the island's history--and if you're still watching the show at this point you, like me, probably are--the first scene last night was one of, if not THE single most important scene thus far in the show. It was huge obviously because it was the farthest back in history we've seen on the show thus far, showed us the entire statue from a side-ish profile, showed us the black rock, and introduced us to Jacob, who has been the biggest mystery for years.... but, also, because there was depth to that conversation that we can't yet wrap our minds around, because we don't have enough context. All that stuff about "they come, fight, destroy... always ends the same" and "anything that happens before that is just progress", and the talk of "loopholes"... we really can't comprehend all of that for now, but ultimately we will, and I can't wait. I just hope they really devote most of the time next season to that sort of stuff instead of the love triangle type stuff. At this point I'm sick of making predictions, been trying to for years and they're never right, haha. Yet, I'm never disappointed that they are wrong, because whatever they come up with is always better. That said, how awesome would it be if the first scene of next season features the black rock pulling into port on the island, and we find out that one of the men on board is Alpert, and we also finally get to see the statue from the front. They can then use Alpert flashbacks to fill in gaps about the island history, Jacob, and his adversary. I get the idea that Alpert may have been on the black rock from the fact that he has been around so long and that he was building it in a bottle last week. Free Throws... -I liked how they wrapped up Rose and Bernard. Some people have thought it was a cheap way of writing them off, but I thought it was good. It enabled them to advance the plot without killing them or without including them in Dharma, and it was fitting to their characters. -We saw Vincent, but I still wonder... is Walt ever going to play a bigger role? They hyped how special he was so much early on, but he hasn't made much impact in a few seasons now. I wonder if they just changed directions on that, or if he will play a role next season. Ditto Aaron really. -No movement on Desmond last night, I hope that's not related to the sexual harassment allegations  . I hope he features prominently next year. No Widmore, Penny or older Ellie either, and I'm sure they still have more. -Oh, and no Claire  . At this point you have to think that she, along with Christian and certainly Alex were apparitions caused by the man in black in the intro last night. I also think that the man in black was the "somebody" who Ilana said had been living in "Jacob's" cabin. -Certainly they want us to think that the bomb went off, and it probably did. But that bright white light was also what you saw when the electromagnetism burst, like when the hatch exploded in S2, and when they time skipped this year. Nothing would shock me. -If a Hydrogen bomb really did go off, then I have to think history can be changed, because if it did people like Chang and Radzinsky who survived the incident in the previous time line would surely be killed if they were that close to ground zero. -Still don't know who Ilana and Bram are with, and who the War that Widmore mentioned is between. Seems clear that there is a dark side and a light side headed by the recently deceased Jacob. Seems like Ilana is on Jacob's side, and so probably is Alpert. Is Widmore still? If so, who is on the man in black's side, and how will it play out. -Oh, and who is coming? My take was that Jack, Kate and them were coming, blasted back into their present by the incident, somehow some way. Maybe they are the tipping point that wins things for Jacob, posthumously. Maybe that is the greater destiny that Jack has been talking about. It could be somebody totally different, but I think this impostor Locke will get his. And again I feel like I could go on all day, but will kill it here. It's going to be waaaaaaaaay too long before we get even a preview for next year. |
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Post by Boz on May 15, 2009 8:18:52 GMT -5
I am in mourning today, but I am going to fight through it. I know I have mentioned this before, but if you're not reading them, I highly recommend the Doc Jensen recaps on EW.com. He has some very interesting theories, but he also researches all of the Lost references and allusions very well. I really like his take on what Jacob meant by "They are coming..." www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,1550612_20245769_20278837,00.html Also, I was just curious about something. I'm not one to say that the science in TV shows and movies has to be perfect, as long as it's somewhat reasonable (read: not at all like 'The Day After Tomorrow'). So, I am not asking this question to criticize the premise of the finale, I was just wondering what the actual science was on this. Is there anyone who can speak to what would actually happen if you set off a nuclear device in the midst of a gigantic electromagnetic pulse? Now, I know some of the very, very basics. That a nuclear weapon will have a small implosion first to compress the core before the actual explosion. And that nuclear weapons themselves emit an EM pulse when they go off. But I am not a physicist clearly and I don't really know the physics of the whole thing. It seems to me that if you set off a bomb in an EM pulse, it would not, in fact, cause that pulse to implode on itself, but would instead amplify it. Obviously, that's just a deduction; I don't have anything to back that up. Was wondering if anyone actually knew what the physics of the season finale would be in reality. |
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Post by TC on May 15, 2009 9:20:34 GMT -5
Another thought - if Ellie was "the leader" in the 70's, what happened to make Widmore the subsequent leader?
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Post by vcjack on May 15, 2009 10:16:30 GMT -5
Another thought - if Ellie was "the leader" in the 70's, what happened to make Widmore the subsequent leader? The Incident forces her to go off island to give birth to Daniel? |
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Post by TC on May 15, 2009 10:32:47 GMT -5
The Incident forces her to go off island to give birth to Daniel? The statue is still there though - shouldn't she be able to give birth on-island? |
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Post by jgalt on May 15, 2009 13:00:11 GMT -5
Ok here it goes: First off, Best Week Ever has taken to calling Jacobs counter as "Mike Thedevil" which I kind of like because it is a real name, but also says who he may be. BWE also presents and interesting alternative explanation. Is Jacob actually the good one? Maybe we are only meant to think he is. Maybe Mike Thedevil is the good one. Or maybe Neither is good. This is somewhat supported by the Statue being a god of Evil. That said, how awesome would it be if the first scene of next season features the black rock pulling into port on the island, and we find out that one of the men on board is Alpert, and we also finally get to see the statue from the front. They can then use Alpert flashbacks to fill in gaps about the island history, Jacob, and his adversary. I get the idea that Alpert may have been on the black rock from the fact that he has been around so long and that he was building it in a bottle last week. I am guessing that this will be a way that they explain about Jacob and Mike. Although I tend to think, if Jacob is God, then Richard is some kind of Angel. How did Bernard know Juliet was going to die? If you watch that scene at the end where he asks her to have some tea, there's some definite foreshadowing to Juliet's death and Bernard gives her a look like he knows she won't be back Similar to Richard, maybe Rose and Bernard are some type of angel figures who were there to kind of over see all the characters. Didnt Rose like come back from almost being dead? And she kept saying that she KNEW bernard was still alive. And bernard was with the OTHER group of plane crash survivors (in order to over see them). Also Bernard was able to make a miraculous shot to take out the others when the others came and stormed the beach. I took the "they're coming" to be the Algeria people because they could prove who locke really was, and then Richard could try to stop Mike Thedevil from killing Jacob. Things we still need to learn that did not get raised in this episode: -Why are Dharma on the island? -What is Hanso -What is Proffessor Chang's deal -Why did Widmore leave (obviously because of something Ben does)? -And why does Widmore think it is "his" island? -Why do we have to wait so long for the next season? |
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Post by FLHoya on May 15, 2009 18:20:11 GMT -5
Also, I was just curious about something. I'm not one to say that the science in TV shows and movies has to be perfect, as long as it's somewhat reasonable (read: not at all like 'The Day After Tomorrow'). So, I am not asking this question to criticize the premise of the finale, I was just wondering what the actual science was on this. Is there anyone who can speak to what would actually happen if you set off a nuclear device in the midst of a gigantic electromagnetic pulse? Now, I know some of the very, very basics. That a nuclear weapon will have a small implosion first to compress the core before the actual explosion. And that nuclear weapons themselves emit an EM pulse when they go off. But I am not a physicist clearly and I don't really know the physics of the whole thing. It seems to me that if you set off a bomb in an EM pulse, it would not, in fact, cause that pulse to implode on itself, but would instead amplify it. Obviously, that's just a deduction; I don't have anything to back that up. Was wondering if anyone actually knew what the physics of the season finale would be in reality. Sometimes you just have to suspend disbelief. Of course, the most famous time travel example: there's no way a DeLorean would go that long without breaking down.  |
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jan 3, 2010 0:11:25 GMT -5
Season 6 coming back Feb. 2, but will Buff be coming with it?
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jan 4, 2010 19:24:27 GMT -5
Whew! What a relief! I thought with your being missing for the prediction thread, you might miss this too. |
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Post by Cambridge on Jan 5, 2010 18:22:43 GMT -5
Season 6 coming back Feb. 2, but will Buff be coming with it? Hell. Yes. I'm so glad you are back. I'm sorry that the pilot you were working on didn't work out. Those TV executives don't know anything. The next one will be a winner, I'm sure. |
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Post by Cambridge on Jan 12, 2010 15:57:01 GMT -5
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Post by Boz on Jan 12, 2010 16:32:39 GMT -5
From the comments section of that link: culturepopped.blogspot.com/2007/04/suddenly-last-supper.htmlGood lord, there are a lot of these. Kinda makes you wonder why there hasn't been a Real World/Hills/Jersey Shore Last Supper yet..... .....I'll be headed into my brimstone shelter what that does happen. |
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Post by kchoya on Jan 12, 2010 18:49:03 GMT -5
[/url]. Discuss.[/quote] I looked at the first picture and thought, that's pretty neat. Then I finally clicked on the second picture. Wow. Not that the final season needed any hype, but c'mon. That's just torture. No wonder Gibbs promised no State of the Union on 2/2/10. |
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Post by Boz on Jan 19, 2010 11:57:21 GMT -5
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jan 28, 2010 0:50:31 GMT -5
It starts next Tuesday (moved from its regular time last year of Wed.). The final episode of season 5 was on last night. I missed the first 30 minutes, so I had trouble remembering the scenes from last year. The final 30 minutes, however, it all came back to me like a volcano. With Jacob dead and the nuke going off how will they start season six? I guess some flash backs until they get to the time, when season five ended.
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. I hope he features prominently next year. No Widmore, Penny or older Ellie either, and I'm sure they still have more.
. At this point you have to think that she, along with Christian and certainly Alex were apparitions caused by the man in black in the intro last night. I also think that the man in black was the "somebody" who Ilana said had been living in "Jacob's" cabin. 
