OFFICIAL LOST SEASON 5 THREAD

[Nevada Hoya]

What a relief! I fell asleep halfway through; I guess I didn't miss anything - same old, same old.

[kchoya]

Apr 23, 2009 17:31:50 GMT -5 TC said:

I'm sure fans of "The New Adventures of Old Christine" are crushed.

Objection. Assumes facts not in evidence. It's not been established there are fans of said show.

[TC]

Apr 23, 2009 17:59:48 GMT -5 kchoya said:

Objection. Assumes facts not in evidence. It's not been established there are fans of said show.

I thought saying fans of Gary Unmarried would be too unbelievable.

[thebin]

I feel like Lost kinda played their audience for fools a bit with that clip show w previews for a "new angle." I'm really not pleased about it.

[Boz]

FRAK!!

OK, so when Faraday said "any one of us can die, Jack" I kinda' saw it coming, but still.

Charlotte's dead, Faraday's dead, Kate is still breathing. The island knows no justice.

Yeah, yeah, maybe he's not really dead. Whatever; I'm still Editeded.

Good episode though. More thoughts tomorrow.

[strummer8526]

Anyone know what those "What did you really see?" commercials were about?

[TC]

Was that for the Grey's Anatomy Season Finale? They were making it all edgy with that little girl killing her dad.

I was bummed they killed off Daniel - much more interesting character than Jack or Kate.

[RBHoya]

I think he's done for good. Great ending to the episode even though I'm sad that character died. When Hawking said "I sent my son back there, knowing..." that seemed to be the clincher that he isn't going to pull a young Ben and bounce back from the gunshot.

Nowadays episodes are giving us more answers than questions which is cool. I guess one of the big questions from tonight was, WHY did Ellie push Dan to go back to the island and trigger all of this? I mean, they made him go back because they saw him when they were younger/Others and knew it had to happen, but they saw him when they were younger/Others which is why he went back... so somewhere in there there has to be a reason for it, right? I mean aside from the usual Others' bs about it being what the island wanted?

Somebody told me next week's episode is Richard-centric which could be AWESOME if true. If there are flashbacks we might finally get some insight into why he doesn't age, how long he's been there, how he got there, and all the other things he's seen and/or been apart of on the island (ie the statue/temple creation and all that).

[jgalt]

Dan might be dead but he might not be completely gone from the show. They still have the his journal so there is still a possibility for flashbacks with him or ones where desmond goes to visit him.

[williambraskyiii]

I'm a little confused...I recall maybe at the beginning of this season a shot of Dan working underground at one of the stations in a Dharma uniform...where did that lie on this whole timeline?

I still get my brain in knots trying to wrap my mind around the time travel philosophy in this show. 815 and associates are living in their present in the 70s. Everyone else who they encounter there have always had the knowledge from that point on their existence -- so Horace, right before he got gassed by Ben in an earlier season flashback knew LaFleur, etc. at that point and Ellie, when she gave birth to Daniel, knew she was going to kill him, correct?

and what have we decided on whether 815ers can change history? I suppose if Jack shot Chang dead, that would change the future and it would be doable b/c Jack is living in his present. But if Jack, by shooting Chang dead, stopped the Hatch from being built how does that change his life at this point given that the plane crash would never have happened...would he immediately be shifted back to his life as a doctor as if nothing ever happened? Like what happened in BTTF?

[Boz]

As well as the possibility that he will begin appearing to Hurley.

Not Miles. Hurley.

We all know that Hurley's powers are better than Miles. ;D

Apr 30, 2009 8:11:16 GMT -5 williambraskyiii said:

I'm a little confused...I recall maybe at the beginning of this season a shot of Dan working underground at one of the stations in a Dharma uniform...where did that lie on this whole timeline?

They showed that scene again in this episode, as it took place. It was at the Orchid. So it occurs in the 1977 timeline, after he comes back from Ann Arbor.

[jgalt]

is there any thinking anywhere about what 141717 means, or did they just choose that number? its is prime, and the two pieces (141, and 717) are palindromic but not prime.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

I enjoyed that episode a lot. It seems we finally know the truth about time travel and we now know what the characters are going to try to do, where until now since they got back we were adrift with no clue what the goal was. Don't want dan to die but was very cool end to the episode with the conversation betweeen eli and widmore right before.

I still want to know more about eli/mrs.hawkings. Is she some mythical figure? How did she know the stuff about desmond and the guy with the red shoes? Or did she just seem to know stuff because of daniel going to the past?( did she scan his journal to find out about her future son?) Also very cool that she gave him the journal.

[Nevada Hoya]

I am another one who is a bit confused. Mainly because I forgot all the details of the episodes of the first and second season. Did Des actually not push the button? I thought when the Losties found him, he was obsessive in pushing the button. Was it because he didn't one time and it caused the plane to come down with all its special effects? I know the Losties finally did not push the button.

With Daniel gone are we not going to get the see their using the H-bomb trying to neutralize the island's electro-magnetic power?

[jgalt]

Apr 30, 2009 11:53:42 GMT -5 Nevada Hoya said:

I am another one who is a bit confused. Mainly because I forgot all the details of the episodes of the first and second season. Did Des actually not push the button? I thought when the Losties found him, he was obsessive in pushing the button. Was it because he didn't one time and it caused the plane to come down with all its special effects? I know the Losties finally did not push the button.

i dont remember if they said it outright, but i believe they made it relatively clear that this is what happened. it has been my understanding the whole time so there must have been some evidence for it

With Daniel gone are we not going to get the see their using the H-bomb trying to neutralize the island's electro-magnetic power?

i cant imagine that would have happened anyway: it would have killed everyone on the island and then there would be no show (except maybe desmond and Cheech running around having crazy adventures, which come to think of it doesnt sound like such a bad idea)

[RBHoya]

Apr 30, 2009 11:53:42 GMT -5 Nevada Hoya said:

I am another one who is a bit confused. Mainly because I forgot all the details of the episodes of the first and second season. Did Des actually not push the button? I thought when the Losties found him, he was obsessive in pushing the button. Was it because he didn't one time and it caused the plane to come down with all its special effects? I know the Losties finally did not push the button.

With Daniel gone are we not going to get the see their using the H-bomb trying to neutralize the island's electro-magnetic power?

End of your first paragraph is correct, Desmond was out killing Kelvin (by accident) that one time when he was late on the button and that sucked the plane in.

It seems to me like next week and the finale will revolve around all hell breaking loose at the barracks and Jack/Kate etc trying to find jughead to detonate it, thereby erasing the electromagnetic slip up, and the hatch creation, and their plane crashing. Of course I don't anticipate them being successful, but it will be interesting to see how it plays out.

To galt's question, I'd guess that there's probably no significance to the numbers, they're just trying to get us all to analyze them. Worked the last time, and they still haven't really cleared all of that up.

To brasky's question, at least thus far LOST appears to be different than BTTF. Yesterday Farraday was suggesting that the variables COULD change the course of things, but we saw how well that went for him. It definitely conflicts with what he was saying earlier in the year. Under the logic the show laid out so far, Jack could die because he's in his present, but he could not kill Dr. Chang assuming that Dr. Chang has more to do (ie finish the hatch). So what would happen if Jack pointed a gun at Chang and pulled the trigger? Maybe it won't fire ala Michael in S4. Maybe it will hit him but he'll recover ala Sayid/Ben this year. But he won't die, unless it happens later on, because we know he made the film strips post-incident. Anything that happens to Chang in the 70s always happened to Chang in the 70s, based on the logic they have laid out thus far. Dan tried to throw a monkey wrench into that logic last night, but it seems like it will hold. He thought he could influence young Charlotte, but we can be pretty sure it will play out the same way (she'll come back to the island when shes older anyway, get stranded, get temporal displacement and die). Dan tried to change the future by bombing the hatch site, and he ended up dying. So far, the "whatever happened, happened" logic is more or less holding up.

[jgalt]

Apr 30, 2009 12:13:39 GMT -5 RBHoya said:

To brasky's question, at least thus far LOST appears to be different than BTTF. Yesterday Farraday was suggesting that the variables COULD change the course of things, but we saw how well that went for him. It definitely conflicts with what he was saying earlier in the year. Under the logic the show laid out so far, Jack could die because he's in his present, but he could not kill Dr. Chang assuming that Dr. Chang has more to do (ie finish the hatch). So what would happen if Jack pointed a gun at Chang and pulled the trigger? Maybe it won't fire ala Michael in S4. Maybe it will hit him but he'll recover ala Sayid/Ben this year. But he won't die, unless it happens later on, because we know he made the film strips post-incident. Anything that happens to Chang in the 70s always happened to Chang in the 70s, based on the logic they have laid out thus far. Dan tried to throw a monkey wrench into that logic last night, but it seems like it will hold. He thought he could influence young Charlotte, but we can be pretty sure it will play out the same way (she'll come back to the island when shes older anyway, get stranded, get temporal displacement and die). Dan tried to change the future by bombing the hatch site, and he ended up dying. So far, the "whatever happened, happened" logic is more or less holding up.

Yeah. This is also what most modern physicists think about time travel. Like when everyone says what if you went back and killed you grandmother before she had your mom? Most physicists will tell you that the exact time line will change, like she may do something different on the day that you try to killer such as not each eggs for breakfast, but that the net effect, her having your mother, wont change. At some point something will stop you from killing her (like your mother shooting you in the back ala Faraday).

It is not like back to the future where EVERYTHING you do effects the "present"/"Future" and you just fade away. Or like the Simpsons idea that if you just kill one fly everyone turns into lizard people.

I guess the difference is that one theory thinks that only major choices effect the future, or that many different sets of choices produce the same outcome. while the other believes that every choice, no matter how small, creates a different reality that is vastly different from the one you are used to. I wont get into it but string theory slightly agrees with the second idea, but instead of effecting the "future" you create a separate dimension with every decision you make and a series of infinite dimension that include what would have happened had you chosen differently.

[Cambridge]

Why would any of the passengers want the plane to land safely in LA? Their lives were all without purpose, broken or dead ended. The crash gave them life and healed them.

In particular, why would Kate ever want the plane to land in LA - she was in bracelets and headed for life in prison?

I imagine the next couple episodes will revolve around the spreading realization that the crash was probably the best thing for each of those involved.

[Boz]

In response to strummer's question, the "what did you see" spots last night were ads for an upcoming ABC series, "Flash Forward."

tinyurl.com/dhgoyx

Eh, sounds interesting.

[jgalt]

Apr 30, 2009 16:03:05 GMT -5 Boz said:

In response to strummer's question, the "what did you see" spots last night were ads for an upcoming ABC series, "Flash Forward."

tinyurl.com/dhgoyx

Eh, sounds interesting.

Hmmm. I kept missing the actual image and just kept seeing the "what did you see" part. And that text was in the grey's anatomy text and the first time was followed by the grey's anatomy promo so i thought that was what it was about. might be good. Penny is in it.