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Post by thebin on May 7, 2009 13:40:31 GMT -5
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Post by kchoya on May 7, 2009 13:55:43 GMT -5
My preference would be for Jack and Kate to be sacrificed in a volcano somewhere (I've been playing Pocket God too much), but my serious guess is that it's Juliet. Kate redeemed her self to me this episode. She kept giving looks like "eff this, i am so sick of dealing with all you idiots, why cant i just hang out with Ben's dad and think about my stolen baby more?!" She has become so blase about things recently that it is hard to get mad at her. And no one has talked about how Hurley had an awesome episode even if it was just about 3 minutes. "Well we asked you first" that was great I love Hurley's "moments" like last night You're 46? The Korean war never happened. The look Miles and Jin shot each other was priceless. |
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Post by Nevada Hoya on May 7, 2009 14:33:45 GMT -5
How is Locke going to kill Jacob? Is he dead already (a la Christian S.)? How is Alpert being so dominated by Locke?
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 7, 2009 15:24:54 GMT -5
Yeah hurley was hilarious. " alright fine! We're from the future."
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Post by vcjack on May 7, 2009 15:32:13 GMT -5
How is Locke going to kill Jacob? Is he deal already (a la Christian S.)? How is Alpert being so dominated by Locke? At first I interpreted "kill" as expose, like pulling back the curtain to show the Others who the true Wizard of Oz is. But perhaps he really is gonna kill someone I do think Jacob is a real guy/thing, but perhaps just not as Richard/Ben have sold him to the rest. In the Other-camp flashbacks this season it seemed odd to me that every argument was ended by the first guy to say "I'm right because Jacob says so" and there was something Dan Brown-esque the way Richard said "I'm starting to think Locke's going to be a problem" |
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Post by jgalt on May 7, 2009 18:13:28 GMT -5
was anyone else disturbed by Richard not being so omnipotent in this episode? I like it better when i feel like there is definately at least ONE person who knows WTF is going on. It also must have been kind of difficult for the actor to play both Richards in different time periods
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Post by thebin on May 8, 2009 8:23:47 GMT -5
was anyone else disturbed by Richard not being so omnipotent in this episode? I like it better when i feel like there is definately at least ONE person who knows WTF is going on. It also must have been kind of difficult for the actor to play both Richards in different time periods I'm not sure I like a weaker Richard either. |
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Post by Cambridge on May 8, 2009 10:34:48 GMT -5
Richard is a house cat. Always has been. Independence was an illusion.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on May 9, 2009 14:33:01 GMT -5
It seems as if the writers have set us up with any kinds of possibilities, even as Cambridge points out Richard's being a house cat.   |
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Post by kchoya on May 11, 2009 11:01:12 GMT -5
Richard is a house cat. Always has been. Independence was an illusion. Cats played a big role in ancient Egypt... |
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Post by Boz on May 13, 2009 19:01:36 GMT -5
F-ing weak, dude!
I thought this was going to be a two-hour season finale. Not a dumbass clip show and then a season finale.
I thought the writers weren't on strike anymore.
Weak, weak, weak.
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Post by kchoya on May 13, 2009 19:03:37 GMT -5
F-ing weak, dude! I thought this was going to be a two-hour season finale. Not a dumbass clip show and then a season finale. I thought the writers weren't on strike anymore. Weak, weak, weak. Actually, it's a one hour clip show followed by a 2-hour finale. Lay off the caffeine dude! |
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Post by Boz on May 13, 2009 19:20:03 GMT -5
My bad. I accept my rebuke with humility and shame. The scary thing is, I don't drink caffeinated drinks. But I will have a cigarette, I guess. |
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 13, 2009 22:00:33 GMT -5
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Post by williambraskyiii on May 13, 2009 22:13:19 GMT -5
God and the Devil?
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Post by RBHoya on May 13, 2009 22:50:46 GMT -5
Insane. Loved the episode but WTF??? They've built up Jacob for years, they reveal him in 1 episode, and now he's already dead? I thought the first scene tonight and all the subsequent Jacob appearances were awesome. I love the statue, all of the ancient history of the island, and apparently Jacob is a big piece of that. He is sitting on the beach watching the black rock sail in--speaking perfect modern American-English no less--sometime in the 19th century. And for all those times that we've wondered "How did all these people get here? How did the Oceanic 815 people all end up in this place? It can't be coincidence, there is some tie that binds." And, now we know Jacob was following/watching them all along, guiding them toward the island. Now, he's dead.
And Locke's real body in the box? So, the real John Locke, the box maker, man of faith that we've known and loved for years is dead and gone for good? Crazy. And the guy we've thought was John Locke was.... the guy who Jacob was talking to on the beach in the first scene... How does that relate to the smoke monster, or does it? I really need to rewatch that first scene tomorrow.
Also, Richard/"Ricardus" answered the riddle, but in Latin... need a translation on that. I mean, it would seem that Jacobs lair is what's there, but I'd like to know the formal answer. We still don't really know what Ilana and that crew are about, who they work for, or any of that.
There's a ton more to say about this episode but... maybe tomorrow. It was crazy and I'm intrigued, so it did its job. But damn, there's a lot left hanging out there.
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Post by FLHoya on May 13, 2009 23:28:42 GMT -5
Did a great job with the mythology/origin of the island this season, and potentially set up a great framework for Season 6, although I'm leery of another "gang of a half dozen or so people with uncertain motives roll in" structure a la Season 2 (Ilana is too much a ringer for Ana Lucia) and 4.
So that part has me very intrigued.
OTOH...if Juliette hadn't survived the fall, I was gonna jump down the hole and H-bomb "Team Daddy Issues" myself (seriously--of the people headed to the construction site, I think only Sayid didn't have some kind of daddy issue I'm aware of, and he doesn't really count cause he got shot), just to shut them up. The bizarre love triangles were the only thing dragging the season down for me--felt like the season stalled for a while and became too...ahem...domestic.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 14, 2009 8:47:38 GMT -5
1) From the episode it seems that Illana and her peeps are working for jacob as does richard.
2) I want to rewatch that first sceene too. One of the best sceenes ever as it reveals the real conflict in the series. It's not ben widmore it's jacob. Who ever the hell that other guy is. Give me a name Damnit! Good versus evil black versus white.
3) It seems they're in some sort of contest where jacob brings people together to this special island giving them an oppurtunity and trying to create a paradise but the other guy is alaways trying to manipulate and tempt them into throwing it all away. Very god vs. the devil(serpent) in the garden of eden with adam and eve.
4) I don't think jacob is really dead. Well i mean he's dead but maybe in a jesus christ kind of way. Maybe allowing himself to be killed will allow him to defeat the devil.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 14, 2009 9:06:03 GMT -5
5) Jacob was reading flannery O'connor's Everything that rises must converge
6) I wonder what the tapestry that jacob weaves says/means.
7) If jacob is god how ridiculous is his saying to ben "What about you?"
8) I guess one of the million dollar questions that will plague us through out the offseason is what happened when juliette set off the nuke.
Will the past change? If so is everyone who died alive? Includign jacob? is that why he allowed himself to be killed?
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Post by Boz on May 14, 2009 9:10:26 GMT -5
Not sure if this is accurate, but: I: "What lies in the shadow of the statue?" R: "Ille que nos omnis servabit." Or, "He that will save us all."[/i][/quote] Yeah, that's pretty much it. I am not sure if this is also a Biblical reference. I could research that myself, but I think I'll wait until later today and let Doc Jensen or the WP girls do it for me. But there's definitely some self-sacrifice/martyrdom with Jacob. The guy lives for Anubis knows how long, never ages, appears to all intents and purposes here to be an immortal, and Ben kills him with a knife?? Come on. And Jacob was practically daring him to do it. Why don't you just come out and say that Jacob is Jesus or Aslan? Some other thoughts: - I like the new Ana Lucia much better than the old Ana Lucia. - Juliet dying was a given. They were practically setting it up the whole show...including in the commercials when we saw her in the previews for a NEW show on ABC. What was not a given was her detonating the bomb. I liked that quite a bit (never mind how she survived that fall). - Sawyer should have been able to kill Phil, as he promised, instead of Phil basically being done in by the rail gun from Eraser. - Miles shouting "Dad!" was a pretty good moment for me. It was more genuine, unlike most of the maudlin stuff between Jack-Kate-Sawyer-Juliet. - VINCENT!!! - So, it looks like the statue is actually Taweret, the Egyptian goddess of childbirth, but also apparently a demon goddess of evil. ( wiki - I can't find a screen cap yet, but I'm sure one will be available today) Kind of hard to say that doesn't fit in pretty perfectly. More than Anubis would have anyway. - I was hoping, before the end of this season, we would see the emergence of young Ben from the temple, but I guess I have to wait for that. - This is kind of silly, but I was thinking during the inevitable (and pretty boring) Jack-Sawyer "No I Like Kate" fight last night that there is no way in hell that Jack doesn't get his ass handed to him sideways in that fight. But I guess they had to make it sort of even. - Sawyer is going to go back to being Editeded at the whole world in the final season. Which is great, except that it will make stupid Kate swoon all over him again. Yay more love triangles. - Speaking of which, kudos to FL for the New Order reference, which I always appreciate (even if it is a reference to once of NO's most popular, but worst songs). - I don't like Ben as the victim. It doesn't suit him. Now that he has been duped himself, betrayed Jacob and done what pseudo-Locke wanted him too, I am hoping that we see him return to the nefarious Ben -- even if he's nefarious with good intentions -- we all love. - Not sure how, but I think Sayid survives some way. Maybe the incident dislodged the bullet from him. - When are Desmond, Penny and Charlie going to get back to the island?? - And of course, the question we all STILL want to know.....WHERE IS CLAIRE?  Probably have some more thoughts today after reading some of the online recaps. |
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