royski
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Post by royski on Mar 18, 2008 22:37:41 GMT -5
The short answer is yes, they are.
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Just Cos
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Post by Just Cos on Mar 19, 2008 1:38:16 GMT -5
What was Pops' knock on Love? I would expect him to love Love (no pun intended). Because as we all know, All You Need Is Love (pun definitely intended). Dan Patrick asked him if he thought the comaprison to another player (can't remember who it was noe) was fair. Pops kind of shrugged it off saying that he doesn't like to do comparisons until the end to see if the person is consistent throughout his career. |
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bmartin
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Post by bmartin on Mar 19, 2008 9:07:24 GMT -5
The fact that Kansas kept pressing and running with a 30 point lead against Eastern Washington is relevant to predicting the score of Kansas' game with Portland State, but not relevant to predicting the offensive and defensive efficiency in matchups with Clemson or Vanderbilt or Georgetown.
Against the teams in the NCAA field, Kansas is 8-2. (They also lost to OSU)
beat Arizona in overtime at home;
beat USC by 4 on the road;
crushed Oklahoma at home;
split home and home with K State;
beat Baylor by 10 at home;
lost to Texas away but beat them in the tournament;
beat A&M by 17 away and by 6 in the tournament.
That is a nice record, but not as impressive as their Pomeroy efficiency numbers with the boost from humiliating weak opponents.
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Big Dog
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 19, 2008 9:17:26 GMT -5
I'm not sure why we're spending all of this time talking about Kansas, but let me qualify it by saying this is just team analysis and has nothing to do with any crazy idea that Georgetown might be LUCKY enough to play them at some point--
But don't they have crazy home vs. road/neutral spreads in their performance--even if not in won/loss terms, then in consistency/margin of victory? Even in the Big 12 tourney they struggled to beat Nebraska and struggled to beat...somebody in the semifinal (A&M?). They're not going to be playing at Allen Fieldhouse anymore.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 19, 2008 10:26:50 GMT -5
Pash, you can still get overrated in Pomeroy by unnecessarily blowing teams out, that's for sure.
But, it is less overrating than Sagarin or some other systems -- Pomeroy uses a Pythagorean methodology of determining expected record -- so the marginal value of an extra point is lessened each point from .500.
That said, youre point is still somewhat valid. I think the bigger issue with Pomeroy is the standard Home-Road splits which really screw him up. I would evaluate each team as two separate entities -- Home Georgetown and Away Georgetown, for example.
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 19, 2008 10:29:27 GMT -5
I'm not sure why we're spending all of this time talking about Kansas, but let me qualify it by saying this is just team analysis and has nothing to do with any crazy idea that Georgetown might be LUCKY enough to play them at some point-- But don't they have crazy home vs. road/neutral spreads in their performance--even if not in won/loss terms, then in consistency/margin of victory? Even in the Big 12 tourney they struggled to beat Nebraska and struggled to beat...somebody in the semifinal (A&M?). They're not going to be playing at Allen Fieldhouse anymore. Kansas is in our bracket?? I thought it was more because of their high % chance to win it all that we were discussing them (and using them as en example to discuss Pomroy |
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