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Post by vcjack on May 30, 2008 9:38:34 GMT -5
"Also, for a split second did anyone else think Sayid was going to execute Hurley? Maybe they were worried he was going to spill his guts? Or was that just me?"
I did too and I was terrified. Sayid has turned into such a cold hearted bastard that I'll probably expect him to off everyone he's with.
What still confuses me that Ben says everyone must return but Claire (whom I assume is a manifestation of Jacob) tells Kate to keep Aaron away from the Island.
I don't think Locke had to move the Island again because Ben said that no one who moves the island can ever return, but Ben want's Locke's body to come back.
Also interesting that Jack kinda mumbled that Sun blames him for Jin's death, but now she want's to work with Widemore who really is responsible for Jin's death.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2008 10:06:41 GMT -5
Agreed. But then how did Locke get off The Island? He doesn't have Ben's arsenal of passports or his submarine...
... and as evidenced by his comments, Ben has "some ideas" as to how someone who turns the wheel and moves The island can return.
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Post by Boz on May 30, 2008 10:41:50 GMT -5
Agreed. But then how did Locke get off The Island? He doesn't have Ben's arsenal of passports or his submarine... ... and as evidenced by his comments, Ben has "some ideas" as to how someone who turns the wheel and moves The island can return. I agree. It certainly seemed that Ben was including himself in the proposed return trip to the island last night & supposedly he couldn't go back either. I need to watch this episode again. I have too many thoughts to put any of them into a coherent message (not that that's ever stopped me before). |
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Post by Nevada Hoya on May 30, 2008 11:32:35 GMT -5
... either way, I think its obvious that's what Sawyer told Kate before he jumped. The bigger question to me, though, is which kiss did the producers consider the "spectacular" smooch they promised? Kate and Sawyer or Des and Penny?!? That's what I was thinking - Whose kiss was the more spectacular? Both seemed as if they would fit the bill. Is Jack's father the angel of death? Ben has escaped the curse of moving the island or so it seems. Did Jack know Jeremy was Locke? Was this name brought up before? I am assuming the obit in the paper mentioned Jeremy and not Locke. |
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Post by RBHoya on May 30, 2008 12:09:51 GMT -5
Some great moments last night:
Christian appears to Michael, as the voice of Jacob/the Island, and tells him that the island is finished with him, and that he can go (to his final resting place, presumably) now. That scene was chilling.
Also chilling was Kate's "dream" where she goes into Aaron's room screaming about "stay away from my son!", and then it turns out to be Claire. I wanted to see Claire turn around and be like "Bitch this is MY SON!"
Also, I LOVE Ben's understatedness. Like last week when he told Locke "I wasn't being completely truthful" and this week after he killed Keamy and blew up the boat, he was just like "Sometimes leadership is clouded by emotion" or something like that. He is stone cold and I love it.
As always, a lot to think about. First off you have to wonder what next season is going to look like. Is it primarily off-island stuff, Jack and Ben trying to get everybody back together for the return. If Sayid is working for Ben, maybe it won't be all that hard. I prefer on-island action, so I'm more looking forward to seeing how things go south on the moved island, as well as finding out whether the island is in a different location or a different time.
I liked Walt's appearance, though brief. Did it seem to anybody else that Walt is expecting Michael to be alive, but most likely Michael is dead? I think that could make for an interesting storyline. I can see Walt going back to the island with the O6 looking for his dad, only to find out that he's no longer alive, and then Walt taking a major heel turn. That would have to be late in the series, but that would be sick.
On the downside, the longer this show goes on, the more I am convinced that a lot of questions will be left unanswered. There's just about a million things hanging out there right now from the last 4 seasons, and there's only, what, 36 more episodes or so? The majority of that is going to be spent advancing the plot, and a lot of the looming questions will not be answered sufficiently.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on May 30, 2008 12:19:57 GMT -5
S On the downside, the longer this show goes on, the more I am convinced that a lot of questions will be left unanswered. There's just about a million things hanging out there right now from the last 4 seasons, and there's only, what, 36 more episodes or so? The majority of that is going to be spent advancing the plot, and a lot of the looming questions will not be answered sufficiently. I guess like good art (painting, literature, etc.) a lot is left up to the imagination of the viewer. I am not saying Lost is good art, but I think it is good TV. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2008 12:20:28 GMT -5
Nevada - I think what we were led to believe was that Locke somehow got off The Island and in an effort to conceal his identity was travelling as Jeremy Bentham. From what Kate, Sayid, Hurley and Jack were saying, it sounds like they were all approached by "Jeremy" in an effort to get them back to The Island as horrible things had been happening. So they knew, which is why they reacted to the news of his death as they did.
RB - I made the same point about the appearance of Christian and Ben's general awesomeness. As for Walt, I need to rewatch that scene but it sounded more like he was looking for something to believe in? Something like "your father's a hero, kid"... or something to that effect. I, too, am hoping he plays a more prominent role going forward, as I always enjoyed his character the first two seasons.
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Post by strummer8526 on May 30, 2008 12:26:49 GMT -5
What I'm wondering with Walt--what happened to his seemingly subtle power to make things happen by thinking. I don't remember the details, but I just remember that scene where he got mad at his mom and step-dad ignoring him, and the bird died. Then the step-dad telling Michael that Walt was "different." There's some kind of power that Walt has that I really hope comes back and factors into what he does going forward.
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Post by vcjack on May 30, 2008 12:37:25 GMT -5
I thought the reason Walt wasn't prominently featured recently is because of the actor's growth spurt, which obviously now he can't do any flashbacks but he can feature into future events again
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Post by Boz on May 30, 2008 14:16:28 GMT -5
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Post by miamihoya on May 30, 2008 20:00:49 GMT -5
While I enjoyed last night's finale and am already counting down for its return in February, I agree with the sentiment in this article: www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24892220/When its all said and done, if they fail to deliver a good ending that makes sense of everything, then this is the episode we will look back on and say "it jumped the shark". Obviously I give the writers the benefit of the doubt, because to date they have always managed to exceed my expectations and consistently surprise me. Yet as I watched last nights episode, I couldn't help but feel that it was getting a bit too "sci-fi". It's all a bit too much to wrap my head around and make sense of. But again, its very possible that the writers will once again surprise me and bring it all together in a fantastic fashion. All I ask is that they keep Ben as a central figure, because he steals every scene he is in. If there is any justice, Michael Emerson will win that best supporting actor Emmy this year. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2008 10:32:41 GMT -5
Let's be honest though, miami... in the pilot episode we were introduced to Smokie. Granted we didn't actually see him until season two, but this has been a sci-fi show from the start.
If people tune out because the true colors of the show are shining through a bit more now that the producers have an end-date in sight, that's their own fault. Remember, the producers themselves have come out and said there were several episodes in season two and three that were just filler (the Nikki-Paulo episode comes to mind) because they had so much story to tell, but no idea as to the timeline in which to tell it. Methinks that if the show from the jump-off had been slated for six seasons and six seasons only, the sci-fi element would have been introduced a bit sooner.
And I agree with you on Emerson, as my avatar might indicate. The episode where Alex is killed ALONE should win him the Emmy.
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Post by Boz on May 31, 2008 10:57:16 GMT -5
That's funny. I had someone say something similar to me yesterday. In short, that they were finished with the show when they moved the island.
To be honest, I really couldn't get that. So, you're OK with a mysterious smoke monster than can kill people, an island that can cure cancer and paralysis (but kill pregnant women), a boy who can will things with his mind, people with ESP who can see and talk to the dead (dead people coming back ind interacting with the living for that matter), numerology, and time travel....
....but you draw the line at teleportation?
To this line of thinking, I have only one response...don't be a Jack!
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 31, 2008 11:36:55 GMT -5
buffalo I've read i think from one of christine's blog's form E! that the choice of people for the oceanic 6's lie is immaterial and that there's not reason for any of the choices according to the producers. and i was confused about the numbers prior to this. see here's how it works. they said 8 people survived the crash those 8 were Jack, kate, hurley, sayid, sun, charlie, boone, and libby. remember although it's the oceanic 6 aaron was born on the island so didn't survive the crash.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2008 8:00:33 GMT -5
buffalo I've read i think from one of christine's blog's form E! that the choice of people for the oceanic 6's lie is immaterial and that there's not reason for any of the choices according to the producers. and i was confused about the numbers prior to this. see here's how it works. they said 8 people survived the crash those 8 were Jack, kate, hurley, sayid, sun, charlie, boone, and libby. remember although it's the oceanic 6 aaron was born on the island so didn't survive the crash. hsb - thanks for the heads up on why those three were picked. As for getting the numbers right, I get how they go from eight survivors (Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun, Charlie, Boone, Libby) to the Oceanic 6 (Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun, Aaron). And if they merely said "eight survived the crash, six made it back" I would be fine and leave it at that. But I seem to remember one iteration of the lie being "two survived the crash but died." Maybe I'm just "misremembering." I thought the reason they might say those three survived then died is because the O6 KNEW those particular three were dead, having buried Boone and Libby and knowing, via Des, that Charlie had died. I thought they may have left others off the list because they were still on the island and nobody knew if they were alive or dead, or something to that effect... ... but then I remembered Ana Lucia, Eko, Nikki and Paulo, just to name a few. |
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Post by Boz on Jun 5, 2008 17:12:33 GMT -5
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What am I going to do tonight?
(and don't say Lakers-Celtics. To paraphrase The Daily Show, "Will Kobe Bryant help Jack and Kate get together?? I don't think so!")
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jun 5, 2008 17:40:07 GMT -5
that spot on the daily show was hilarious.
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