Official "Lost" Season 4 Thread

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I can't be the only one around here addicted to the show, can I? There are far too many freaks on the Lost boards who think everything deserves a twenty-page treatise to make them worth anyone's while.

Anyone care to discuss?

EDIT: I'll get it started. Very cool that in 1996, Mr. Widmore is bidding on a diary from the Black Rock who's previous owner received it from Tovar (or some other name) HANSO. Does he know what he's bidding on? Does this spark interest in the island that leads him to (perhaps) hire Miles, Faraday, et al to search out Ben/the island?

[strummer8526]

As for your question, I have no idea. I did hear the Hanso connection with that book though. When did we find out that Mr. Widmore is behind the Miles, Faraday, etc. team? I don't remember when he became connected to the "rescue boat"/research group.

I've been enjoying the obvious Langoliers homage of sorts going on with the time travel through a storm. That story minus Balki is a good thing.

Now that we're sure time travel is factoring in, the speculation I've read that Jacob IS either Jack or his father actually makes some kind of possible sense.

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I don't think it has ever been said Widmore was the man behind the men, but his buying of the book makes that a viable discussion, don't you think? That, plus we know Penny has been searching for Desmond and seems to have a vague notion of where he is and that he's missing.

I don't want to make the jump to calling what's happend with Desmond or Elousie The Rat "time travel" just yet. Their bodies stay where they are, but they have some odd jump in consciousness, as described by Faraday. Time travel of sorts, to be sure... but not sure what to make of it just yet.

Also, still waiting for more info on the 815 that was found on the bottom of the ocean.

Also, have you seen the one extra feature on (I believe) the season 2 DVD where they show the cloning expieriment gone wrong with the rabbits? Wonder if that has anything to do with the "other" 815.

[Boz]

I hate this show, but I am inexplicably drawn to it.

I'm pretty sure Lost is the only TV show that I do not miss an episode of. I know that sounds hard to believe, given that I always post about movies, TV, etc., but it's true. I watch a lot of TV, definitely more than I should, but I don't always follow shows for very long. Lost, however, I am addicted to, sad to say.

And now, since I am starting to sound way too much like hifi, I will shut up.

Except to say that there's a creepy Overlook Hotel/Shining thing going on with Locke. I like that very, very much.

And to say that Private Upham really Editeded me off in "Saving Private Ryan," so I am hoping for good things from Dr. Faraday, or I am going to hate that actor forever.

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Feb 29, 2008 15:27:46 GMT -5 Boz said:

And to say that Private Upham really Editeded me off in "Saving Private Ryan," so I am hoping for good things from Dr. Faraday, or I am going to hate that actor forever.

Faraday, Miles and Ben (it took me a while to come around on him) are quickly ascending the "BuffaloHoya's Favorite Lost Character Challenge Ladder." Sayid is currently in first (after his killing streak a few weeks ago), followed by Locke and Desmond (mostly because I would kill to share a bottle of McCutcheon's with a guy who can't stop saying "brutha" and "aye").

[Nevada Hoya]

The key to Lost is Desmond and Penny.

[kchoya]

Feb 29, 2008 13:50:04 GMT -5 buffalohoya said:

I can't be the only one around here addicted to the show, can I? There are far too many freaks on the Lost boards who think everything deserves a twenty-page treatise to make them worth anyone's while.

Anyone care to discuss?

EDIT: I'll get it started. Very cool that in 1996, Mr. Widmore is bidding on a diary from the Black Rock who's previous owner received it from Tovar (or some other name) HANSO. Does he know what he's bidding on? Does this spark interest in the island that leads him to (perhaps) hire Miles, Faraday, et al to search out Ben/the island?

Good pickup on the Hanso reference, which I missed. Maybe the name was Alvar Hanso, who, according to Wikipedia, was the founder of the Hanso Foundation.

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Mar 1, 2008 9:30:49 GMT -5 kchoya said:

Good pickup on the Hanso reference, which I missed. Maybe the name was Alvar Hanso, who, according to Wikipedia, was the founder of the Hanso Foundation.

No, it was Tovar(d) Hanso.

The auctioneer mentioned how the Black Rock left Portsmouth, England March 22, 1845 on a trading voyage to Siam when it was tragically lost at sea. He went on to say the only known surviving artifact from that voyage was the journal of the first mate, found amongst the possessions of pirates somewhere in Madagascar seven years later.

Contents were never made public, and only known to the family of the seller, Tovard Hanso. He's GOT to be related to Hanso Foundation founder Alvar Hanso, who funded the Dharma Initiative. Wonder what happens to Alvar between the founding of Dharma in the 70's and the auction in 1996 that leaves the diary in the possession of a family member (who must not realize its importance if he's auctioning it off).

Interesting note... it is lot "2342" in the auction.

As in: 4 8 15 16 23 42.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

I love lost! All these little connections are amzing. My favorite show.

[thebin]

Wasn't the Black Rock meant to be a slave ship? Not if it was leaving Portsmouth in the 1840s it wasn't. The slave trade had been outlawed in 1807, slavery abolished in all parts of the British Empire in 1833.

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Mar 4, 2008 15:12:19 GMT -5 thebin said:

Wasn't the Black Rock meant to be a slave ship? Not if it was leaving Portsmouth in the 1840s it wasn't. The slave trade had been outlawed in 1807, slavery abolished in all parts of the British Empire in 1833.

Using information pieced together from "The Lost Experience" and "Find 815," Lostpedia explains it this way:

From what has been discovered so far, it seems that the ship may have reached the Island on its way back from Papua New Guinea. Its mission was to reach Africa, where it was to exchange gold for more slaves. However since the ship ended up to the east of Papua New Guinea it would have been traveling the wrong direction, east instead of west. And indeed it was stated by traders at a Papua New Guinea port that the ship set sail east instead of west.

The ship's resting place is a great distance inland, a phenomenon that has yet to be explained.

Also remember, the Black Rock is said to be the final resting place (or near it) of MAGNUS Hanso.

EDIT: So Magnus Hanso was captain of the Black Rock. Tovard Hanso is selling the first mate's journal. Alvar Hanso founded The Hanso Foundation, which funds Dharma. Hmmm...

[HoyaSinceBirth]

so thoughts on tonight's episode?

so is it just me or does ben's man on the boat have to be michael?

Ben is Editeding nuts, when will locke stop letting him mess with his head?

I really want to see what the others are up to at this temple place they were heading to.

How is ben still sending out orders?

with lost even though we got some answers in theory (who owns the boat) we're left with way more questions.

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Feb 29, 2008 14:46:47 GMT -5 strummer8526 said:

When did we find out that Mr. Widmore is behind the Miles, Faraday, etc. team? I don't remember when he became connected to the "rescue boat"/research group.

My intuition was correct.

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Mar 7, 2008 0:28:05 GMT -5 HoyaSinceBirth said:

so thoughts on tonight's episode?

so is it just me or does ben's man on the boat have to be michael?

Has to be... everyone else is dead. I guess it could be Walt, but I'm guessing Michael. It will be interesting to see how in a matter of a few weeks to a month (in Lost time) he's gone from fleeing the island with Walt to working FOR Ben on Widmore's freighter.

Who else could it be? Michael, Walt, Sayid's girlfriend that's been in a Charlie and Locke flashback... my money is on Michael.

Mar 7, 2008 0:28:05 GMT -5 HoyaSinceBirth said:

Ben is Editeding nuts, when will locke stop letting him mess with his head?

Never.

Mar 7, 2008 0:28:05 GMT -5 HoyaSinceBirth said:

I really want to see what the others are up to at this temple place they were heading to.

Ditto... we haven't really heard about it since the end of season 3 when Locke was with them and they were on that long march across the island.

Mar 7, 2008 0:28:05 GMT -5 HoyaSinceBirth said:

How is ben still sending out orders?

He's tricky like that.

Mar 7, 2008 0:28:05 GMT -5 HoyaSinceBirth said:

with lost even though we got some answers in theory (who owns the boat) we're left with way more questions.

I don't think we'd have it any other way, right? Last night's episode wasn't as good as the first five of this season, but it moved the story along nicely, added the Mr. Widmore twist (which I think a lot of us saw coming), and should set up the next couple quite nicely.

Programming note: there are two more episodes of Lost (filmed pre-strike) and then a month-long hiatus. Resumes at the end of April with (hopefully) the last 8 of the season. My guess is we'll get four or 6, with the remaining four or two spread over seasons 5 and 6 (slated to run 16 episodes each).

[Boz]

Well, it's been noted that Harold Parrineau (sp?) is coming back to the show, so Michael being the man on the boat would seem to make sense.

Which, of course, makes me believe that there is no way Michael is Ben's man on the boat.

Miles is another possibility (even though he's not on the boat anymore), but my theory is that Ben's man on the boat is Sayid.

We already know that Sayid is working for him in the future. Ben seems to know a lot more about everything that is reasonably possible...unless he is also jumping his consciousness through time like Desmond (either personally or through a surrogate).

So, it's possible that Ben knows that Sayid is his man....even if Sayid doesn't know it yet.

Dunh, dunh, dunnnnnnnnnnnnh!

(Of course, this means Ben's explanation of how he knew everything about everyone on the boat "because he had a man on it" doesn't make any sense, but whenever I come up against an inconsistency like that, I explain it by saying, "Ben lies a lot." - either that or "a wizard did it.")

(Hate this show)

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Mar 7, 2008 9:30:37 GMT -5 Boz said:

Well, it's been noted that Harold Parrineau (sp?) is coming back to the show, so Michael being the man on the boat would seem to make sense.

Which, of course, makes me believe that there is no way Michael is Ben's man on the boat.

Miles is another possibility (even though he's not on the boat anymore), but my theory is that Ben's man on the boat is Sayid.

We already know that Sayid is working for him in the future. Ben seems to know a lot more about everything that is reasonably possible...unless he is also jumping his consciousness through time like Desmond (either personally or through a surrogate).

So, it's possible that Ben knows that Sayid is his man....even if Sayid doesn't know it yet.

Dunh, dunh, dunnnnnnnnnnnnh!

(Of course, this means Ben's explanation of how he knew everything about everyone on the boat "because he had a man on it" doesn't make any sense, but whenever I come up against an inconsistency like that, I explain it by saying, "Ben lies a lot." - either that or "a wizard did it.")

(Hate this show)

Just like you "hated" BioShock, right?

I think it HAS to be Michael. Did you see the promo that ran after the show during the credits? I'm paraphrasing, but it mentioned how another of the Oceanic Six (Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sayid so far) will be revealed and how we will see a face we'd never thought we'd see again.

GOTTA be Michael (especially since, as you and others have mentioned, Harrold Perrineau has been in the opening credits for all six episodes this season).

[Cambridge]

I think it can't be Michael who is the man on the boat. Yes, he may be on the boat, but he is not Ben's guy. That wouldn't be shocking to Locke at all, so why would Ben tell him to sit down? Locke knows that Michael cut a deal with Ben to get off the island, so it would not be shocking at all that he was in Ben's employ. That, and the teaser was way too obvious that it had to be a red-herring meant for you to confuse the "person you never expected to see again" and Ben's "man on the boat." They are not the same person.

I like the Sayid theory. Also, Desmond is a possibility. Sayid works for Ben in the future. Desmond has reason to oppose Penny's father. I won't be surprised if either is the man on the boat. I agree that they may not know they are the man on the boat yet, BUT that the time jumping allows them to communicate with past Ben. Therefore, whenever they start to work for Ben they are able to jump back to talk to Ben in the "present" and inform him of what is going on and pass messages to others.

I am convinced the time jumping is the key to Ben's omiscence and omnipotence. It allows him to always be informed and communicate with others. It may also be the key to Jacob. If Ben is always talking to someone that others can't see, wouldn't it be someone who is in another time/place and Ben is merely doing that time jump?

[Nevada Hoya]

It's too bad there's no time now, but a t-shirt that said something like:

2 22 32 33 55

Some Had Forgotten
They Reminded Them

would have been really cool.

Almost allusion to Hurley's numbers (although not close to the actual ones).

Actually, Jacob is Ben's man on the boat.

[kchoya]

My guess is that Michael is Ben’s man on the boat because that seems so obvious, but then again, this is Lost we’re talking about. Does anyone remember what Ben told Michael when he and Walt left the island on the little boat? I can’t remember (I’ll have to go back to the DVD). Was it something about head in such and such a heading and you’ll run into a boat?

As to programming, originally it was supposed to be 8 episodes this year with the strike, but reading a WaPo chat the other day, one of the reporters said it’s now going to be 13 episodes (though I don’t know the timing).

And about the Oceanic 6, I thought the teaser said the last of the Oceanic 6 will be revealed. I count Jack, Kate, Sayid and Hurley. Are they counting Aaron (sp?) as number five? And I don’t necessarily think that Michael is one of the Oceanic Six, but we’ll have to wait and see.

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Mar 10, 2008 9:40:41 GMT -5 kchoya said:

My guess is that Michael is Ben’s man on the boat because that seems so obvious, but then again, this is Lost we’re talking about. Does anyone remember what Ben told Michael when he and Walt left the island on the little boat? I can’t remember (I’ll have to go back to the DVD). Was it something about head in such and such a heading and you’ll run into a boat?

As to programming, originally it was supposed to be 8 episodes this year with the strike, but reading a WaPo chat the other day, one of the reporters said it’s now going to be 13 episodes (though I don’t know the timing).

And about the Oceanic 6, I thought the teaser said the last of the Oceanic 6 will be revealed. I count Jack, Kate, Sayid and Hurley. Are they counting Aaron (sp?) as number five? And I don’t necessarily think that Michael is one of the Oceanic Six, but we’ll have to wait and see.

Ben's instructions to Michael DID include a specific bearing to follow to "find rescue," I believe was the phrase. Interesting choice of words nonetheless...

They MUST be including Aaron if we are about to find out the LAST of the Oceanic 6. No one else has been "revealed" as such.

Then again, that means the outside world thinks Aaron is Kate's kid. Wouldn't the Feds have known whether or not she was pregnant as they were transporting her back to the States from Australia?