Official "Lost" Season 4 Thread

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Mar 27, 2008 10:09:28 GMT -5 vcjack said:

Minor point now that he is dead but was it Carl or Karl? I've seen it spelled both ways and as someone with an alternate K spelling of a C name this is something I tend to ask about

According to abc.com, it is spelled "Karl."

Oops.

[Boz]

ALEX!!!!!!!!

That was just cold and wrong!

[HoyaSinceBirth]

WTF just happened so much going on in that episode.

RIP alex. I can't believe they killed her like that.

So many other crazy reveals:

1) ben can control or at least summon the smoke moster!?!!

2) we see how sayid starts working for ben.

3)Ben can some how transport from the island to tunisia.( explaining most likely how the polar bear got there that charoltte sees) but he also confirms what year he's in leading me to beleive that as well as being able to teleport through space, the others can also teleport through time.

4) why couldn't ben just kill widmore. more of the island not letting people die?

5) so the island used to be widmores? make sense with possible hanso foundation ties to the widmore company.

thank god claire survived( for now?) i was worried there, a little worried about sawyer too during that shoot out. Love the part where 3 different people come out get told to get back inside then are promptly shot. It's like didn't you see what just happened, why are you still coming out?

That's all i can come up with off the top of my head.
still recovering, that episode was hectic. felt like they answered way more questions than usual.

[strummer8526]

I have a theory on one thing: When Faraday is sending morse code w/ the ship, and they say "The doctor is fine," the ship is referring to JACK. Somehow, they're in the future, and Jack is already off the island. That's why Faraday says that a helicopter will come in the morning: he knows that by the next day (the future that he's communicating w/ via morse code), Jack is already off the island.

[Boz]

Yeah, well I have a theory that the show's writers have seen too many slasher pics and are intent on killing off every woman -- and particularly the hot ones -- that ever appears on this show.

(Personally, I don't consider Michelle Rodriguez hot, but I imagine there are a lot of people who do).

Juliet will be the next to go, count on it. I thought Claire was going to buy it last night too, but she'll get hers sooner or later.

Yeah, Kate's alive and makes it off the island, but even in slasher pics one girl always survives.

[strummer8526]

Apr 25, 2008 10:26:34 GMT -5 Boz said:

Yeah, well I have a theory that the show's writers have seen too many slasher pics and are intent on killing off every woman -- and particularly the hot ones -- that ever appears on this show.

(Personally, I don't consider Michelle Rodriguez hot, but I imagine there are a lot of people who do).

Juliet will be the next to go, count on it. I thought Claire was going to buy it last night too, but she'll get hers sooner or later.

Yeah, Kate's alive and makes it off the island, but even in slasher pics one girl always survives.

And Kate is also the lamest in my book. I'm a Claire fan. Personally, I prefer the dark-haired Claire in Australia, but she's lookin' nice either way.

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Claire fo' life.

- Are we sure Ben "teleported" to Tunisa? In his explanation, he took Des' boat to Fiji, and at some point chartered a plane. Then he wakes up Tunisa in a heavy DHARMA winter coat?!? Something's up there... and I don't think its as simple as teleportation.

- What indication were we given that the island was once Widmore's? I know he was somehow connected to funding Hanzo and thus the DHARMA Initiative, but it sounded to me from their conversation that Widmore simply wanted the island, knew Ben had it/knew its location, and wanted it back.

- Think back to the game or Risk. Methinks this starts to boil down to a game between Ben and Widmore for control of the island, with the planet as their game board. My guess is the "rule" Widmore changed was killing family members for the board.

Questions:

1) Can't wait to see how Jacob is pulled in by Hurley, Locke and Ben.
2) Can't wait to see how the years between the purge and the crash on the island with Ben are explained. How he comes to be a part of this "game" with Widmore.

So many more... I'll leave it there for now...

... oh, and a GREAT episode last night.

EDIT: Oh, and if it is October of 2005, that means there is only about ten months between the events currently occuring on the island, and Ben's flashforward (which appears to be the first in the series... see below).

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While I'm not entirely sure of the dates or how much time is between the various flashforwards, I think it is safe to assume they occur in this order:

1) Ben's (recruiting Sayid)
2) Sayid's (see #1)
3) Kate's (Jack still looks like he has his s--t together)
4) Hurley's (Jack is contemplating the beard)
5) Jack's (Jack's got the full-on beard, has lost his mind)

I think 3 and 4 are somewhat interchangable at this point, but Jack seems a bit... off?... in the Hurley flashforward.

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Apr 25, 2008 9:01:15 GMT -5 strummer8526 said:

I have a theory on one thing: When Faraday is sending morse code w/ the ship, and they say "The doctor is fine," the ship is referring to JACK. Somehow, they're in the future, and Jack is already off the island. That's why Faraday says that a helicopter will come in the morning: he knows that by the next day (the future that he's communicating w/ via morse code), Jack is already off the island.

Isn't this theory somewhat deflated as Faraday finally acknowledges the freighter folk have no intention of getting Jack & Co. off the island?

Then again, I'm not sure what other explanation there is. If we go by the rocket sent to the island from the freighter in Faraday's second episode, the doctor would have been killed and dumped long before showing up on the island. As that experiment showed us, things take a while to get to the island.

But I'm not sure how your theory works in reverse...

[kchoya]

Just the return of the monster would have been enough for me, but that was a great episode. Also, read somewhere else that the DHARMA logo on Ben's winter coat is a new station.

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ANOTHER great episode. Not on the intensity level of last week's, but MUCH[/i] more revealing.

1) Biggest news to me? Jack implying Sawyer (and everyone not a part of the Oceanic 6) chose to stay on the island. If that's the case, who else survives? Locke? Bernard and Rose? Desmond? Claire? WHO?!?!?

2) Obviously Claire knows who her own father is (it seems like forever ago we that Claire flashback where her mother was in the coma and Christian Sheppard shows up... I think we're due for a Claire episode), and obviously Jack knows who his father is. WE obviously know they are one in the same. Further, we know that SAWYER knows who Jack's father is, having put two-and-two together in a prior episode (season 2 or 3, methinks) to realize the guy he got drunk with was Jack's dad. Well, we just saw Claire run out into the jungle after her father... will Sawyer see him and realize the Claire-Jack connection? In last night's flashforward, Jack acknowledges he and Aaron are related. It'll be interesting to see how this information comes to light.

3) I'm getting ahead of myself, but next week's preview has something to do with Locke. FINALLY!!! Locke, Jacob, Ben... and that weird hippie-dude that met Ben and his old man when they arrived on the island. Should be sweet.

4) Why can't Jack raise Aaron, Hurley? Who is coming to see Jack, Hurley (I'm assuming Christian)? DAMNIT, HURLEY, I WANT SOME ANSWERS!!! Also, to Hurley's point about everyone being dead/in heaven... did anyone else notice when Jack was walking around barechested at the beginning of the episode he did NOT have an appendectomy scar? I didn't go back and rewatch, but I'm guessing some nerds did. If it ain't there, that's either a) bad production or b) potentially VERY interesting.

5) Can we assume whatever Kate did for Sawyer involved Cassie (aka "Joanie Stubbs" from Deadwood) or his daughter Clementine?

6) Will someone PLEASE explain the giant four-toed foot seen at the end of season two ("Live Together, Die Alone")? I can't get my mind off that thing. Oh, and the Smokie Monster if you've got the time.

This show is freakin' sweet.


EDIT: Unfortunately, I think we're going to be having not only a Claire-centric episode in the near future, I think we're going to be seeing her gorgeous face in a body bag relatively soon.

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Random "Lost" question: would anyone be surprised if, say, a sizeable portion of Season 6 (the final season) were dedicated PURELY to the DHARMA Initiative setting up shop on The Island? Or perhaps centered entirely around Richard Alpert (the guy who looks like he's wearing eyeliner) and his Island "rebels" who convince Ben to gas DHARMA? I'm not talking about a Richard Alpert episode with flashbacks/forwards, I'm saying entire episodes that take place decades before the events involving Oceanic 815.

Just something I've been throwing around in my head...

[theexorcist]

In the 2010 season of Lost, Vernon Macklin will show up. This will resolve the critical question after this season of where he disappeared to.

[strummer8526]

I've actually heard they've considered a future season taking place entirely in the flash FORWARD timeline with the flashBACKS being to the island. As far as why Jack can't raise Aaron, I think it goes back to "Raised By Another" (one of my fav episodes) when Claire goes to see the fake psychic who gives her the Oceanic plane ticket. He repeatedly tells her that no one else can raise her child. Who knows why. Maybe he's going to grow up to lead the revolution against the machines. I do fear Claire is dead soon, though. And Jin. They both seem like candidates to have tried to get off the island (both to raise children), so it could be the same thing that kills them both.

I had a feeling that the non-Oceanic 6 just chose to stay on the island. To be honest, I'm not sure I'd leave, and in cases like Bernard/Rose, Locke, Sawyer, it's not like they've got a lot to come back to.

I think the fact that Jack is sick, which as Rose pointed out doesn't happen on the island, shows that he will be getting off VERY SOON (probably in time to be one the boat whenever Faraday sends the morse code message and gets "The doctor is fine" back.

I do look forward to a Locke episode. We really need some progress with this Jacob situation.

I totally forgot the 4-toed statue. That was unsettling.

Jack and Kate have been engaged for 20 minutes and he's already having "trust issues." I can see how this one went down the toilet leading to the drugged up beard-phase Jack's about to hit. Whatever leads him to call Kate and tell her that they shouldn't have left/need to go back--that will be huge. But at least we know now where Jack is at (engaged to Kate, happy, just starting to pop pills) and where he's going to get to (a bearded alcoholic trying to get back to the island). The middle ground there should be very, very interesting.

Buff, your avatar has convinced me that depending on how Dark Knight works out, if they need someone to play the Joker in any sequels (seeing as how Heath is unavailable), I think Hillary could do it.

[RBHoya]

I think the best scene was Hurley's last night, when he said that they were all dead and pointed out how Jack's situation sounded a lot like heaven. I don't think it could be literal but I've always thought Hurley was more visionary than crazy. Him telling Jack not to raise Aaron, as a message from Charlie, is interesting. It's as if there is some supernatural body of knowledge that only some can access, but there are things that are supposed to be accomplished and some can see them, like a fortune teller or like Hurley via Charlie. One of the craziest scenes in the show so far I think was Michael trying to off himself and not being able to, because fate (or whatever you want to call it) didn't intend it to be yet. Fate apparently doesn't want Jack to raise Aaron, and as soon as this comes to light all of a sudden Jack starts getting hooked on pills, a path that is going to soon lead him away from Kate (and Aaron). Seems like events will conspire to give fate its way, again.

Not surprising to me that Sawyer chose to stay, he's basically said so at other times this season, that he doesn't have much to go back to and that he's not eager to leave. I just wonder how it will play out. I don't see him deciding to hang around with Locke and Ben if everybody else is trying to get off.

Kate referring to Aaron as "my son" was strange. It shows that it's not as if she's holding Aaron until Claire returns or anything, she actually views herself as his mother. Seems posessive about Aaron at this point. Still have to wonder if Claire will actually die, or if she will just somehow be unable to get off the island.


I agree that the four-toed statue is easily one of the biggest question marks still out there. They haven't touched it since they showed it originally. That's definitely one thing I'm really looking for them to resolve some time, but I have no idea how it will come up again. Hope it wasn't just a red herring.

[Boz]

Claire is a goner.

Damn writers!! Getting revenge for every single girl who wouldn't go out with them in high school.

(while I can sympathize, it's still just wrong! ;D )

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May 2, 2008 10:03:24 GMT -5 RBHoya said:

I agree that the four-toed statue is easily one of the biggest question marks still out there. They haven't touched it since they showed it originally. That's definitely one thing I'm really looking for them to resolve some time, but I have no idea how it will come up again. Hope it wasn't just a red herring.

Remember, at the end of season 3 Ben sent most of The Others to the Temple (including Richard Alpert, but not including the now deceased and flamboyantly gay Tom). They've GOTTA be related, no?

May 2, 2008 10:06:51 GMT -5 Boz said:

Claire is a goner.

Damn writers!! Getting revenge for every single girl who wouldn't go out with them in high school.

I thought the exact same thing last night.

[Boz]

Honestly, I'm kind of surprised. I've looked around on the Web a bit (granted, not thoroughly) and I don't really see that many people commenting on this at all. I saw a couple of minor blog posts and that's it.

Is it all in my head? I really think this show has a problem with women. I'm not offended or anything, I just find it very interesting.

At the very least, I would've thought Camille Paglia would have weighed in by now (even if it was just to say that she wholeheartedly approves of the island killing off women left and right).

[vagrant]

the view from the park bench is that the theory that best fits the show is that of parallel universes. Everything seems to fit in nicely if we are dealing with parallel universes. the plane never went down, it just entered a wormhole and ended up in a parallel universe.
Whitmore/Dharma experimenting on parallel universes created an opening as the Oceania flight flew by and the plane was caught in a wormhole and passed. Faraday was their lead scientist.
Ben doesn't teletransport or time travel, he actually has mastered the ability to travel between the two universes. He, of course, having worked for Whitmore is well versed in Faraday's findings. This is why they want Ben.
There are many questions which can be answered by the theory of travel bwn universes via a wormhole. Among many, the polar bear, the French ladies ship, Faraday's distortion of time, the flashforwards, next week character who has been "dead for 12 years," and Ben's strange comment to Whitmore in the last episode that he would never find the island because the island isn't there. Of course not. It is precisely because of the glitch that the island is in one of the universes but not the other that allows for the wormhole to appear.
Think about it. Then call me crazy.
And BTW Buff, Jack can't raise Aaron because he is Claire's brother and as a family member he too will cause Aaron to become evil.

--vagrant

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Vagrant -

1) Interesting stuff, but I'm pretty sure Lindehoff and Cuse have come out and said through podcasts and other mediums that the island is neither in (a) a parallel universe or (b) purgatory. Could be wrong, but I'm almost certain that's the official line they're drawing in the sand... for now...

Either way, the parallel universe theory is one that has been discussed ad nauseum on Lost message boards, and they would certainly explain a whole hell of a lot. However, it seems to me the producers have gone to significant lengths to assure us that it isn't in play. Wormholes/teleporting I think may be... but parallel universes I'm not so sure.

2) Also, Ben didn't say the island "wasn't there," did he? As I recall, Widmore made some statement referring to the fact Ben won't kill Penny because he'll never find where she is and that he (Widmore) will get his island back. Ben's reply is then along the lines of "you'll never find it," not "it isn't there." Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's how I remember it going down. Maybe its in some time-warp, hidden under some electromagnetic field, at the end of a worm-hole or in another dimension... but I'm pretty sure nobody's said "it isn't there." Again, if you've got the conversation handy, let me know.

3) As for Jack raising Aaron, why should it matter if he is a family member? In fact, I'd think it would HELP his chances. The psychic told Claire ONLY SHE could raise the baby. I'd think if ANYONE had a chance to influence Aaron's "goodness," as the psychic put it so long ago in season 1, it would be her step-brother. That being said, the psychic said what he said, and thus I think it is safe to assume that ANYONE - family member or not - raising Aaron simply ain't gonna cut it.

4) To your "everything seems to fit in nicely" point, I tend to agree. But then again, since when has anything on Lost (save Michael showing up on the freighter) ever fit in nicely?

5) I don't think we can say Widmore/DHARMA caused the crash of 815, at least not directly. I'd still lean towards the explanation given in-show that Desmond taking a long time to enter The Numbers that one fatefull day causing the almost catastrophic release of magnetic energy is the proper explanation there. Considering DHARMA was wiped out in Ben's purge and Widmore can't find the island, I'm not sure we can say they actively caused the crash of 815.

6) Additionally, Faraday WASN'T their lead scientist. He was only hired RECENTLY by Naomi and Abbadon to help in the search for the island.

7) Lastly, Ben has never directly worked for Widmore, if you think about it. His father brought him to the island, he grew up a bit, he killed everyone associated with DHARMA (which, yes, Widmore was partially funding via Hanso). That's about all we know about Ben pre-capture by the Losties in season 2. Oh that, and he's got a serious crush on Juliette.

EDIT: Next week has been confirmed a Locke-centric episode. I'm ridiculously excited for that. Then, to close out the season, they have a THREE-part finale. Fan-freakin'-tastic.