Official "Lost" Season 4 Thread

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Agree on Desmond, Nevada. He can return to the mainland whenever he wants and none's the wiser, seeing as he wasn't on 815. Granted, if it was discovered he was on The Island, there'd be questions galore, but the point is he can return to Penny whenever he wants, as Desmond Hume, and resume his life.

Unlike Michael, who we saw living "off the grid" and hiding his identity.

I'm wondering if the cliffhanger is going to involve a new place/new people. The end of one season and the beginning of another usually entails a new place or new people (I gave the list earlier in this thread).

[hoopsmccan]

From previous fast fowards, do we know if Hurley keeps his money? I'm trying to figure out how Sun can buy a controlling interest in her dad's company...seems pretty silly even with Hurley's money, but even more ridiculous with the airline settlement money which would probably cover attorney's fees.

If the company is somehow related to Widmore (as RB pondered), perhaps the acquisition is somehow backed by Ben. Or perhaps the writers just assume people don't know how much things cost and that a crappy settlement check can get it done.

hm

[Boz]

I'm pretty sure the season finale will involve Starbuck landing with the remaining 6's and the unboxed 3's to move the island back to the basestar via FTL.

If you can't bring the fleet to Earth, bring the Earth to the fleet.

;D

These two shows are killing me.

Still waiting for Farraday to do something heroic. Yes, I know he stopped the gas attack, but we're not really even sure that was going to happen, and that was really just typing at a computer, more than anything else.

EDIT: Also, it has just occurred to me that even though Heath Ledger is dead and Jack Nicholson, by all accounts, should be ... if there is ever a need to bring back The Joker for a future Batman movie, please see Buffalo's avatar.

[kchoya]

Some interesting new footage shown during the lost commercials during Grey's Anatomy last night - a chamber or something like that uncovered by Locke? Sawyer(?) kissing kate on the helicopter? lots of gunfire? the copter running low on fuel?

As if I wasn't having a hard enough time waiting for next week as it was.

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May 23, 2008 12:07:48 GMT -5 kchoya said:

Some interesting new footage shown during the lost commercials during Grey's Anatomy last night - a chamber or something like that uncovered by Locke? Sawyer(?) kissing kate on the helicopter? lots of gunfire? the copter running low on fuel?

As if I wasn't having a hard enough time waiting for next week as it was.

Thanks for the update, kc. I missed those clips, seeing as I've never seen "Grey's Anatomy."

You know... becuase I'm not a woman.

[kchoya]

May 23, 2008 13:06:27 GMT -5 buffalohoya said:

May 23, 2008 12:07:48 GMT -5 kchoya said:

Some interesting new footage shown during the lost commercials during Grey's Anatomy last night - a chamber or something like that uncovered by Locke? Sawyer(?) kissing kate on the helicopter? lots of gunfire? the copter running low on fuel?

As if I wasn't having a hard enough time waiting for next week as it was.

Thanks for the update, kc. I missed those clips, seeing as I've never seen "Grey's Anatomy."

You know... becuase I'm not a woman.

Then you missed the big girl-on-girl scene last night.

The wife is a surgery resident, so we have to watch the show about surgery residents. When they come out with the show about lawyers who spend too much time on Hoyatalk, I'll make her watch that.

[Nevada Hoya]

Tomorrow is the big day - season's finale, but also the start of the off season for Lost. Any predictions on what will happen tomorrow?

[TrueHoyaBlue]

I have a friend who is convinced that the island moving will have something to do with the 2004 tsunami, as the dates sort of line up.

Personally, I'm fascinated and excited to see how the Oceanic 6 (who are currently in about six different places in the island-verse) wind up together, and also to see if Jin actually kicks the bucket, or if it's all a front... I feel like this season has shown foreshadowing of both possibilities.

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May 28, 2008 22:39:20 GMT -5 Nevada Hoya said:

Tomorrow is the big day - season's finale, but also the start of the off season for Lost. Any predictions on what will happen tomorrow?

1 - Michael redeems himself and the island lets him die.

2 - the Orchid Station exceeds expectations that have been built up since the station was first revealed in DVD extras and DHARMA orientation films.

3 - Keamy dies. Hopefully with a lot of blood. Guessing Alpert and The Others have something to do with it.

4 - if they truly break it into two episodes and have more than one flashback/forward group, I expect Claire to have one (unless they want to go three straight hours - counting two weeks ago - of O6 flashforwards... which might get boring).

5 - not only will we see how the O6 reunite and get off the island, someone (or two) will die in the process. Jin? Sawyer? Faraday?

Interesting to look back at last year's finale: Charlie dies, Locke kills Naomi, Walt makes a brief appearance (I hope he does again), several Others's's's are killed (including Gay Tom) when Hurley goes Lizzie Grubman on 'em, and we're sorta introduced to the Freighter Folk for the first time.

I'm sure tonight will be just as fun.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

I'm convinced that 1) jin will survive, but sun will think he has died. I think they accomplish this by having the freighter explode. She thinks he's still on it, but michael will save him some how sacrficing himself to save the others. 2) the episode will be awesome. that's about all i'm sure of at this point. any predicitions on who the "kiss" is going to be between? kate and sawyer? kate and jack? desmond and penny? jin and sun? charlotte and daniel? Benard and rose?

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This "spectacular kiss" the producers have promised us has me intrigued.

1 - I think we can rule out Claire and Aaron. It might be moving to see a mother kiss her baby goodbye, but "spectacular"? I think not. They're out.

2 - Jack and Kate or Juliette wouldn't surprise anyone at this point. They're out.

3 - Charlotte and Faraday would confirm some rumors, but I don't think anyone is emotionally invested in them enough to consider any kiss between the two "spectacular." They're out.

4 - A kiss between Locke and Sawyer. Now THAT would be spectacular. But not likely.

5 - Bernard and Rose ain't leaving The Island, in my opinion. So no reason for a "spectacular" kiss between the two. Although seeing one WOULD be nice, I like their characters and hope they get a flashback/forward in the near future.

This pretty much leaves three options, in my mind. Jin-Sun, Des-Penny or Sawyer-Kate. I'm going to lean with Sawyer-Kate only because I think Jin and Sun will have a brief moment before being tragically separated (I think it will be revealed Jack is the other half of the "you're one of two men I blame for Jin's death" speech she gave to her father, Paik), and the appearance of Penny would seem a bit disjointed...

... although I expect Penny to have SOME role in the finale, however small. Ever since we've been introduced to her, she's played a key role in each finale (Season 2 - when Swan Station blows up after Des turns the key, her team in the Arctic phones her; Season 3 - "NOT PENNY'S BOAT").

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May 29, 2008 7:53:56 GMT -5 TrueHoyaBlue said:

I have a friend who is convinced that the island moving will have something to do with the 2004 tsunami, as the dates sort of line up.

Personally, I'm fascinated and excited to see how the Oceanic 6 (who are currently in about six different places in the island-verse) wind up together, and also to see if Jin actually kicks the bucket, or if it's all a front... I feel like this season has shown foreshadowing of both possibilities.

THB - if you read back, a few of us were expecting the tsunami several episodes ago. We know the tsunami occured on December 26. We also know that in "The Constant," Sayid, Des and Mentkowski note a calendar that reveals the date to be Christmas Eve. That was day 94 after the crash of 815. We've since had almost a week of on-Island days since that event, so I'm guessing the producers have made the decision to avoid using such a tragic event for dramatic effect.

Then again, with the whole why-does-time-seem-to-move-slower-on-The-Island phenomenon, anything's possible.

[kchoya]

May 29, 2008 9:19:52 GMT -5 buffalohoya said:

This "spectacular kiss" the producers have promised us has me intrigued.

1 - I think we can rule out Claire and Aaron. It might be moving to see a mother kiss her baby goodbye, but "spectacular"? I think not. They're out.

2 - Jack and Kate or Juliette wouldn't surprise anyone at this point. They're out.

3 - Charlotte and Faraday would confirm some rumors, but I don't think anyone is emotionally invested in them enough to consider any kiss between the two "spectacular." They're out.

4 - A kiss between Locke and Sawyer. Now THAT would be spectacular. But not likely.

5 - Bernard and Rose ain't leaving The Island, in my opinion. So no reason for a "spectacular" kiss between the two. Although seeing one WOULD be nice, I like their characters and hope they get a flashback/forward in the near future.

This pretty much leaves three options, in my mind. Jin-Sun, Des-Penny or Sawyer-Kate. I'm going to lean with Sawyer-Kate only because I think Jin and Sun will have a brief moment before being tragically separated (I think it will be revealed Jack is the other half of the "you're one of two men I blame for Jin's death" speech she gave to her father, Paik), and the appearance of Penny would seem a bit disjointed...

... although I expect Penny to have SOME role in the finale, however small. Ever since we've been introduced to her, she's played a key role in each finale (Season 2 - when Swan Station blows up after Des turns the key, her team in the Arctic phones her; Season 3 - "NOT PENNY'S BOAT").

In the previews for tonight's show, they briefly show [what appears to me to be] a kiss between Sawyer and Kate on the helicopter. Maybe that's it?

[Boz]

May 29, 2008 9:29:25 GMT -5 kchoya said:

May 29, 2008 9:19:52 GMT -5 buffalohoya said:

This "spectacular kiss" the producers have promised us has me intrigued.

1 - I think we can rule out Claire and Aaron. It might be moving to see a mother kiss her baby goodbye, but "spectacular"? I think not. They're out.

2 - Jack and Kate or Juliette wouldn't surprise anyone at this point. They're out.

3 - Charlotte and Faraday would confirm some rumors, but I don't think anyone is emotionally invested in them enough to consider any kiss between the two "spectacular." They're out.

4 - A kiss between Locke and Sawyer. Now THAT would be spectacular. But not likely.

5 - Bernard and Rose ain't leaving The Island, in my opinion. So no reason for a "spectacular" kiss between the two. Although seeing one WOULD be nice, I like their characters and hope they get a flashback/forward in the near future.

This pretty much leaves three options, in my mind. Jin-Sun, Des-Penny or Sawyer-Kate. I'm going to lean with Sawyer-Kate only because I think Jin and Sun will have a brief moment before being tragically separated (I think it will be revealed Jack is the other half of the "you're one of two men I blame for Jin's death" speech she gave to her father, Paik), and the appearance of Penny would seem a bit disjointed...

... although I expect Penny to have SOME role in the finale, however small. Ever since we've been introduced to her, she's played a key role in each finale (Season 2 - when Swan Station blows up after Des turns the key, her team in the Arctic phones her; Season 3 - "NOT PENNY'S BOAT").

In the previews for tonight's show, they briefly show [what appears to me to be] a kiss between Sawyer and Kate on the helicopter. Maybe that's it?

Vincent & Smokie?

;D

Looking forward to it.

[RBHoya]

Have been thinking about it for a while, but still totally unsure what's going to go down. Here are some thoughts though:

If the O6 didn't think that all the 815 people from the island were dead, they wouldn't be lying about it. If Sun thought Jin was still alive, she'd be pitching a fit and searching for ways to get back to the island to get him rescued. Hurley would too, for Jin, for Sawyer, etc. The fact that they are lying leads me to believe that the O6 really DOES believe that Jin, Sawyer, Bernard, Rose, Desmond, Juliet and the randoms are all dead. Does this make sense to anyone but me? I've been saying it for a while but people don't seem to agree. I just can't fathom any other reason for the O6 lying--if they thought their friends were out there still needing to be saved, I think they'd have made a big fuss and would have the military et. al trying to find everyone else, or at the very least they'd be trying to find ways to rescue them on their own.

The Others have Sayid and Kate, but it won't last because Alpert and the others have bigger fish to fry, namely rescuing Ben from Keamy. I think they are going to take Kate and Sayid to the Orchid (where Ben told them to go with the mirror), at which point the others are going to realize that they have to deal with Keamy and his boys. I think they are going to take Keamy captive and take him back to the temple to try to get more info on Widmore, while Ben and Locke go down into the orchid. Sayid and Kate will escape (Ben may just let them go). Somewhere in all that Sawyer and Jack are going to catch up and find Hurley, essentially everyone is going to converge at the Orchid. The others are going to take Keamy away, Ben and Locke are going to go into the Orchid to try and move the island, and so the 815 crew is all going to be free and they'll head for the beach trying to get home. That's the only way I can see to bring Sayid/Kate, Hurley, and Jack back together, a big meetup at the Orchid.

After that, I don't know, I think they're going to ferry everyone out to the freighter. My guess is that all of the remaining 815 crew (except Locke) is going to be out on the freighter, while back on the island Keamy and his guys are going to try to escape from Alpert, things are going to hit the fan, and Keamy is going to die (looking forward to this). That's going to touch off an explosion on the freighter, sending the rescue effort into chaos. No idea how it will play out from there but my guess is that Sawyer, Desmond, Jin and maybe Michael somehow fall on the grenade so that the chopper can make an exit. Jack is going to stay on the chopper rather than helping Desmond/Sawyer/Jin, and that's what really weighs on his conscience and leads to him being so troubled in the flashforwards. I think the island action will end with the freighter essentially sinking and a chopper with the O6 flying away. The O6 will assume everyone else is going to die, but I bet it's unproven to the viewer and a cliffhanger until next year. Not sure how the kiss plays in, but I'd guess either Jin and Sun or Sawyer and Kate as Jin/Sawyer goes off to do whatever needs to be done to let the chopper make it out.

But for me all of that is less important than what we see in the flashforwards, since one way or another we know that the O6 make it off. I have no earthly idea, other than that I've heard we find out who is in the coffin. Wild guess on the final scene is that after last year's "We have to go back!" moment, the final scene of this year's is that Jack actually DOES go back (maybe with Hurley? or maybe with a slightly grown up Aaron?!?!), somehow finding out the new location of the island, and he makes it to the island which is TOTALLY different, either in a different place or time with different inhabitants of some sort. That would be a crazy WTF moment.

Also hoping for Walt in some capacity, and more on Jacob.

[vcjack]

Wait don't we know that at the very least Sawyer is still alive? Kate told Jack in the future that she's "helping Sawyer" and Jack said something like "he made his choice". Or does Kate not really know if he's dead or not and she's holding out some kind of hope.

I have a feeling that Locke or somebody kills Keamy and causes the freighter to explode, hence Sun telling her father that two people are responsible for Jin's death

[Nevada Hoya]

May 29, 2008 13:57:00 GMT -5 vcjack said:

Wait don't we know that at the very least Sawyer is still alive? Kate told Jack in the future that she's "helping Sawyer" and Jack said something like "he made his choice". Or does Kate not really know if he's dead or not and she's holding out some kind of hope.

I have a feeling that Locke or somebody kills Keamy and causes the freighter to explode, hence Sun telling her father that two people are responsible for Jin's death

Isn't Kate helping Sawyer's daughter, which she told him she would sometime - maybe in tonight's episode.

The O6 are at least partially lying, because they said only about eight survived the original crash, if I am not mistaken.

[Boz]

Don't we have a Hoyatalk chat room open for this???

Sheesh! Come on admins, get on the stick, willya!!

;D

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Un. Freakin'. Believeable.

Best finale yet? That episode was non-stop. NON-STOP. Violence, a perfect amount of sci-fi, Claire, Ben, Locke... my observations:

1 - Jin: Alive or Dead?

2 - Sun and Widmore working together? Against Ben and the rest? Wow... where this leads, I have no idea. But I think its safe to assume that "Jeremy Bentham" told her what happened inside the Orchid Station, causing her to turn on Ben and the rest of the O6.

3 - What becomes of Faraday and the others who were on the zodiac? They're just floating about at this point.

4 - Charlotte was born on The Island? Is she Ben's long lost girlfriend Annie? A bit young, but still...

5 - What is this "safe place" Sayid and Ben keep referring to in the flashforward?

6 - LOCKE!!!!!!!!!! Holy hell it WAS him in the coffin. But questions remain, notably (a) how did HE get off The Island? and (b) what terrible things happened after Jack and the rest of the O6 left? Was Locked forced to move The Island, causing him to be transported off The Island?

7 - Ben told Sayid he used Desmond's boat to get off The Island, chartered a plane to or from Fiji and found him in Iraq. Can we now assume that after turning the wheel he was transported a year or so into the future?? Remember, it is October 2005 when Ben recruits Sayid. The events that took place tonight are roughly the first week of January 2005.

8 - Des, Penny and Lapidus. No way in HELL are we through with them.

9 - Keamy got his come-uppins. Got 'em good. I liked the beatdown Sayid gave him (which, yes, almost cost him his life), but I liked the psychopathic assault Ben threw down on him even better.

10 - What an amazing way to write Michael off. He's finally redeemed himself, The Island now allowing him to die. "You can go now, Michael." Chilling.

That's enough for now. I'm sure I'll waste a good hour tomorrow thinking up more, reading the Lost fanboards...

EDITS:

11 - More on Locke... who killed him? Why? I assume the use of "Jeremey Bentham" was to avoid detection, but SOMEONE found him out. Perhaps the people tailing Jack, Kate, Hurley... the ones Sayid was eliminating.

12 - Rose and Bernard... on the raft? The Island?

13 - Ok, with his "I have some ideas" line, Ben is officially the baddest ass character in television history. If he wasn't my favorite Lostie before, he sure is now.

14 - Jack... how fitting that the "Man of Science" (to Locke's "Man of Faith") has come full circle. From escaping The Island and doubting his destiny, The Island's powers and denying Locke's apparent success in moving The Island to self-medicating and taking dozens of trans-Pacific flights in the hope of crashing again and finding The Island. Jack now stands above Locke's body knowing full well he was wrong all along, and that he should have given in to Faith from the jump-off.

15 - "Checkmate, Mr. Eko" gave me CHILLS.

16 - Apparently in the extended showing of the episode from two weeks ago Jack mentions Libby, Charlie and Boone as people who survived the crash only to die on an island? Why those three? And if all THREE of them survived, why did he only say TWO at the trial?

Also, for a split second did anyone else think Sayid was going to execute Hurley? Maybe they were worried he was going to spill his guts? Or was that just me?

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May 29, 2008 14:51:45 GMT -5 Nevada Hoya said:

Isn't Kate helping Sawyer's daughter, which she told him she would sometime - maybe in tonight's episode.

I think we can all assume Kate was helping either Sawyer's daughter, Clementine, or the woman he fathered her with and eventually conned (the chick who played Joannie Stubbs on "Deadwood"). Remember, Kate actually MET that lady at one point in one of her flashbacks, so perhaps they've "re-met" and struck up a friendship. Could be she was the one Kate was talking to on the phone in that one flashforward where Jack got all worked up...

... either way, I think its obvious that's what Sawyer told Kate before he jumped. The bigger question to me, though, is which kiss did the producers consider the "spectacular" smooch they promised? Kate and Sawyer or Des and Penny?!?