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Post by guru on Apr 25, 2022 19:28:34 GMT -5
Some HoyaTalk Recruiting Board posts from August 2020, when Murray chose to attend LSU: thedragon: Murray had every opportunity to pop for Gtown and chose not to because he wanted a more lucrative recruitment from the big boys. Not sure why were beating this dead horse. (Post liked by hoyalove4ever) s4hoyas: Evidently, the bank is still open $$$...(Post liked by hoyalove4ever) BigmanU: Believe me, the juice aint worth the squeezin'...He's just a guy and this is coming from a B'More dude. Hoyas4Ever: Brief ca$e/duffel bag arrived on time! A check is to ea$y to trace. Ca$h is a lot ea$ier to cover up. (Post liked by hoyalove4ever and MCIGuy) FrazierFanatic: If Brandon enters the transfer portal after a year or two, I wonder if the tone of the board suddenly changes??đ€ TC: Wonder if we can get back into this if it looks like LSU goes on probation. Hoyas4Ever: Why would Coach Ewing and the staff want to get involved with him again? What makes you think he isn't one of the recruit$ that $ecured the bag putting his college eligibility in peril ala Brian Bowen? (Post liked by hoyalove4ever, MCIGuy, zxhoya, jwp91, njhoyalawya) bostonfan: Exactly. You have to think the player knew the type of program he was going to when he committed to LSU. If that is the type of program he wants to be part of, then I am not sure he is a good fit for the Hoyas. He is a good player and may turn out to be a quality NCAA player for someone, but I don't think Georgetown is going to make the type of offer he is looking for. (Post liked by NCHoya, CTHoya08, zxhoya, njhoyalawya) BeantownHoya:...and I would have to assume w/everything that happen last year the staff treads very lightly around any situation that is questionable. I am not questioning the integrity of the player but he has committed to a university that any outsider would say "something feels shady"...I think Murray is an excellent prospect but Ewing needs strong character kids that are 100% committed to gtown (which i think he has hit a homerun with this recruiting class and next years) or he is going to find himself out of a job... jwp91: He went to a clearly dirty program. Thatâs on him. Any resulting implications are also on him. And bet most of these guys would be the first ones to throw this kid under the bus (e.g how this kid is not talented) to defend Ewing if this season goes awry... @boya - you should look for what people wrote about Tyler when he first committed vs. what they are saying now Seems like a great use of time. Amazing how much free time some people on here have.
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Post by guru on Apr 24, 2022 16:56:45 GMT -5
I think it's reasonable to assume the volume of NIL abuses will leave ample room for moral superiority. Hiring coaches to recruit is thin stuff next to what's coming. NIL provides a legal avenue for pretty much everything, you're going to really have to go out of your way to abuse it. If you have a donor that wants to pay a player $50,000, you can easily do that - schedule 10 autograph appearances at your used car dealership or X number of social media posts promoting whatever - which can easily be automated and doesn't require the player to actually do a thing. The only abuse would be if you give the $50,000 for nothing, or if you make it an explicit quid-pro-quo for committing. We're not morally superior to any program now, and most of the other Big East programs are much more defensible. We never were morally superior. It's kind of funny how you and a few others cling to this notion. And I still don't see the point of hammering this point home over and over again. I'm fairly certain no one here cares about winning moral superiority contests. We just want to get back to winning - and if we break the rules to do that, then we should pay the price.
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Post by guru on Apr 24, 2022 11:24:52 GMT -5
Please explain what you mean by âanything goesâ There are people that think the difference between a school paying a player or their family and a NIL collective or boosters doing it through NIL is a matter of semantics, even though one is legal and the other is not. If that's your position - and you think the moral good of a player being paid in huge revenue producing enterprise that consumes their labor outweighs whatever rules are in place, I'm not sure what issue you have with what hoyaboya is saying - I even think 9797 has endorsed this argument in the past. The problem is some people want to eat their cake and have it too - they want to throw stones at programs they think are dirty when we lose out on a recruit and pretend we're above that - and some want to believe we're above paying people or that we care about graduating kids. The program wants to cling to a Thompson-legacy image where we're educating people and involved in social justice - while it really looks like we're pushing kids out before graduation and paying others to replace them. I have not seen anyone on here espousing the school outright paying a player, but maybe I missed that. As for constant pointing out of what you believe is the hypocrisy of fellow fans, I guess I just donât get why it matters so much to you and a few others.
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Post by guru on Apr 24, 2022 11:04:51 GMT -5
God I hate ad hominem attacks but youâre kind of an idiot. Do your own research before making absurd accusations and please get off this board. Brandon Murray has an NLI deal with Alo Yoga. Iâm sure he has a few more. Ward will probably get some as well. You literally sound like a 6 year who knows absolutely nothing but just wants to yell the loudest to be heard. Great - now explain why Alo Yoga, which as far as I can see has no ties to Georgetown and gives deals to digital influencers at large, would be instrumental in bringing Brandon Murray to Georgetown. I've done some googling, maybe I'm missing something but I don't see a relationship there. The argument here isn't that our recruits can't get the kind of NIL deal that any random Youtuber out there can get. If they have enough followers on social, of course they can. We're pulling in recruits here in Murray and Brooks that are big enough to get a recruitment NIL deal - the kind handed out by boosters or collectives - which we do not have. We hired (or seem to be hiring in the case of Brooks/Ward) the coaches they were bundled with. There's some sort of arrangement here, and given the way that Georgetown has attacked NIL, I don't know why you'd believe we're using NIL as a recruitment tool. So what's going on here? If your position here is that anything goes, great, I don't think there's a disagreement here. If you want to wave around the deflated basketball, or complain about Pitino having bags of cash like miracles87 though, ignoring what's going on here is just blatant hypocrisy. Please explain what you mean by âanything goesâ
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Post by guru on Apr 24, 2022 10:08:23 GMT -5
If itâs not cheating I donât care How do you think Nickelberry is yielding Murray and Brooks is yielding Ward at a program with no NIL? So youâve decided Georgetown is definitely cheating?
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Post by guru on Apr 24, 2022 10:06:44 GMT -5
There is one simple truth when discussing the future of the Hoya program--for the program to restore some of its lost luster the coaching has to improve. Adding assistants who are younger and aggressive recruiters is great. Adding talent, particularly local talent, is great. This will increase local interest. However, it is all for naught if Ewing or any successor cannot develop and utilize the talent well enough to be competitive against the BE and other national high major programs. Ewing has saved his job for another year (and it is time for everyone to move on from whether he should have been retained--he's the coach for one more year, like it or not). I will root like hell for him, but by his own statements made repeatedly after games this year, he was not able to get the players to translate onto the court what they were being taught in practice. That is a complete failure in coaching and not on the players. Either he grossly overrated his "best recruiting class" or he has not figured out to adapt his style/message to be able to reach these younger kids. I hope the latest batch of new players (whoever they will be) and new assistants make a difference, but I think the biggest boost for this program next year will have to come from Ewing demonstrating the ability to adapt his offense and defense to the talent on the floor, as well as more effectively communicating with the players to avoid those tiresome post-game press conferences where we are told the player knew what to do and did not execute. Time to adapt to 2022. Nice to talk about "old school" but it does not work in a world of one and dones and college free agency. Even Big John would struggle to survive in today's college basketball world. Amen, brother. Amen.
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Post by guru on Apr 24, 2022 10:04:26 GMT -5
Yes but your original statement was "my only concern" and I am asking with Jordan Brooks what about him suggests he does not recruit kids with a solid morale compass or a willingness to do the work academically? I guess what I am asking why is that your concern now with Brooks on board versus the prior assistants? I thought it was an established fact on this board that everyone else but Georgetown cheats? So if we are bringing in kids who were originally goin to the programs that cheat, thereâd be some moral concern? This seems to be where the really angry fans have landed. Itâs a canard - Georgetown in its glory years never shied away from bumping up against the lines of impropriety (not payments, per se, but certainly in admissions decisions). In any case, old concerns about âcheatingâ are all but moot under current rules. This makes the gaslighting from the âeveryone here thinks we are squeaky clean but look what Ewing has reduced us toâ crowd far less effective. Play the recruiting games under the current rules, unsavory as you think they may be. Otherwise, close up shop.
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Post by guru on Apr 24, 2022 1:14:19 GMT -5
What a shame and a loss not to feel morally superior to everyone else...I hope that includes you as a fan of the program I used to believe my alma mater cared about a lot more than making a terrible coach look good - Iâm very saddened to learn that in 2022, that is not the case. Therefore, I will be withholding all financial contributions to the basketball program moving forward. It also makes me question continued financial suppprt of the university overall. Did you really graduate from Georgetown? And have you donated to the university outside the required amount to maintain season tickets?
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Post by guru on Apr 24, 2022 1:12:42 GMT -5
Done deal, Ward to Hoyas. Brooks is going to be paid a lot of money. I hope Ward sees some of it. Heâs mortgaging his future playing for Ewing, so hopefully he invests his couple hundred grand effectively. Terrible news. Nothing this guy ever posts is correct. Letâs hope his curse is broken on this one, as if love to see Ward in blue and gray.
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Post by guru on Apr 24, 2022 1:08:53 GMT -5
If we win, itâll all be worth it. đđđ» As long as we donât hear any more about deflated basketballs and causes greater than winning college basketball games, thatâs cool. Because we have sold our soul as a program to prop up Ewing. Weâll be better than 0-20. We might go .500 this year in the Big East given the talent upgrades. Murray and Ward will leave as soon as they can. Will that make people happy? Stop. Youâre embarrassing yourself. As you have noted yourself, we never had any moral high ground anyway. Perhaps itâs bitterness that none of your predictions about the off-season have come to pass (and you posted them as if it was inside information) but as long as we play by the rules, winning would be nice, wouldnât it?
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Post by guru on Apr 22, 2022 11:08:21 GMT -5
Is it really âthe fansâ who âthink they own these kidsâ? In the sense that he's talking about, yes. There will be a lot of salty boomers on hoyatalk if he stays in the draft or transfers to another program and they will disavow Aminu up until the point when he actually makes the league, and then everyone here will want our program to take credit for him. Go back through the Yurtseven or McClung threads if you want some evidence for this. If you've seen a lot of posters on this board celebrating McClung's minimal success at the pro level, we are not reading the same board. I also don't recall a lot of ill will or whining about Omer leaving when he did. I'm sure there was some, but it was far from pervasive. And I've seen very little vitriol toward Aminu. It's more about his handler's prolific social media output, and I'm not certain that a majority of Hoya fans wouldn't see the handler's exit via Aminu staying in draft/transferring as a net positive.
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Post by guru on Apr 22, 2022 10:31:03 GMT -5
Republican are for tax hikes on citizens if it allows them to punish employers who have a political belief that they disagree with. Do I have this right? Not that the Dems are brilliant or anything close to it, but the stupidity of GOP politicians and the people who follow them is absolutely immeasurable.
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Post by guru on Apr 22, 2022 10:27:39 GMT -5
You certainly are the master of false equivalence. No doubt you equate Obama's production company with the "documentaries" produced by Editeder Carlson. For a "Republican" to use the word "honest" in anything is such hypocrisy. What do you have to say about McCarthy? Anyhing. I donât watch Carlson. I have not seen the McCarthy tapes. I do not watch Netflix. I am thoroughly disgusted by Washington and every political figure there. I live in a city that just re-imposed a four day mask mandate because the Mayor is a jackass. Content producers decrying the evils of content consumption strikes me funny You really don't put much thought into your positions on anything political, do you?
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Post by guru on Apr 20, 2022 17:23:30 GMT -5
The only freshmen who were there were Moussa Cisse, Hunter Dickinson, Dawson Garcia. None went on to the combine and all returned to school. Only one of the three returned to the school that they spent their freshman year at. Vigilance!
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Post by guru on Apr 20, 2022 15:25:55 GMT -5
So you can be proven correct in your never ending, definitive prediction going back several months that "he's gone" as if you actually had some inside information...but you're right about one thing, at age 20 he ought to rush over to the nearest retirement community and enroll... Patrick Ewing has accurately expressed to him the areas of improvement that he needs to get to and stay at the next level...he has 15 years or so of playing as a perennial all-star and another 15 or so as an NBA coach...I think he may be able to help Aminu improve, given his work ethic and dedication...what's your background? hoyaboya: Rarely (if ever) correct, never in doubt.
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Post by guru on Apr 13, 2022 21:43:36 GMT -5
LOL. Translation: itâs pure conjecture. Surprised at the amount of naivety on this board. These are year to year scholarships. The team was 0-20 and massive changes in talent and coaching were necessary. No has left yet who was asked to stay. Pat needed to clear scholarships. This is not unique to Georgetown. It is how this works. That is not conjecture. Georgetown is not above the fray in how we run our program. Yes, this is how the system works. My annoyance is more with people pearl-clutching about players being âforced outâ in the current college climate. Itâs the way the game is played - now, having said that, no one knows whether or not Tim is graduating early or what. In that sense itâs conjecture. But thereâs no naĂŻvetĂ© - if he was forced out, Iâm ok with it because Iâd like for the program to compete at a high level. Unfortunate that this is the direction in which the game has gone, but even more unfortunate if we ignore it and pretend to be âabove the fray.â I think we agree on this.
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Post by guru on Apr 13, 2022 12:09:50 GMT -5
Just to clarify, the "ran off" part is speculation based on your interpretation of the circumstances? Â Tim left when one would have exported him to return, so . . . connect the dots? Â Has there been any confirmation from a credible source or word from Tim that Ewing "ran" him off? Â Â How many rising Seniors - who are a year away from a Georgetown degree - have transferred from Georgetown? I'm not DFW, but I cannot think of one. Do we think a Georgetown degree matters, or nah? To me, it throws up absolute red alarm bells that a rising Senior is transferring. LOL. Translation: itâs pure conjecture.
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Post by guru on Apr 12, 2022 16:01:44 GMT -5
Marta has had health issues so might be an opportunity. I think Nickleberry is first in line if they hire from current staff so Pegues made the best move for him I completely get why hiring Nickelberry made sense from a recruiting standpoint (see Murray; plus DMV connections). I do not, however, see why he would be a head coach candidate eventually. His time at Howard did not show that he really did much with the talent he had, and there really was no sign of improvement over his long tenure there, despite a slightly better year here and there. I get that Georgetown will likely not choose the most qualified person when an opening does arrive, I just don't see why Nickelberry would be seen as an obvious choice, other than his DMV connections. No one has ever succeeded after an initial failure? Bill Belichick would like a word.
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Post by guru on Apr 12, 2022 8:15:53 GMT -5
Well, you're not getting one, which admittedly stinks. Question now is: are you going to support the team? It seems like many of your fellow misanthropes are choosing not to, but can't stay away from the board. Do you have anything to offer this board other than insulting other board members? Every post you make is basically agreeing with people on merits and then throwing out insults at people. Also what is "supporting the team" exactly? I don't think supporting a coaching staff that pushes out rising seniors who could graduate and half of the underclassmen is actually "supporting the team" - I think it is the opposite. I'm not sure what we're supporting at this point, and that's why I want a change. Apologies for the perceived insult - the word is an accurate description of the stance toward the program taken by many on this board, including you. By the way, supporting the team is hoping they turn things around and, you know, start winning. You don't have any idea whether or not the rising seniors will in fact graduate. The underclassmen who have left, IMO, had not displayed the ability to play on a team hoping to compete for Big East titles. This is the way the college game works now. And no, while I may think a head coaching change should have been made, I do NOT agree overall with your constant nattering negativity "on merits" or anything else.
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Post by guru on Apr 12, 2022 8:05:28 GMT -5
Great pickup. Unfortunately looks like a 1:1 swap for Aminu Love the player, but losing Aminu's handler is a win for the program.
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