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Post by reformation on Apr 18, 2010 10:41:05 GMT -5
I would imagine that a new AD coming in would want to review all sports. Though its hard to imagine there will be any accountability/momentum for change regarding negative trends in a sport like lax-
I guess if we're still getting the top recruits(others will have to jump in regarding recruiting quality trends) then one might look at the recent disappointing performance as cyclical. However; if our recruiting is beginning to slip it would seem that something would need to be done to stem the decline.
I don't really hold the AD fully responsible for instituting major change in the way things are approached, that has to come from DeGioia/Porterfield etc. They do not seem to want to approach non basketball athletics in much of a strategic way, which is unfortunate and limits to some degree the scope for action on the AD's part.
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Post by reformation on Apr 17, 2010 19:03:24 GMT -5
Does this loss pretty much knock the men out of the NCAA tournament?
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Post by reformation on Apr 14, 2010 21:49:06 GMT -5
Maybe he (DeGioia)should consider cutting a few sports and allocating the resources so that we can have more signature programs-just saying that he is not into cutting sports has been tantamount to supporting many mediocre efforts which really makes no sense--I really don't think we will(or should) be successful in raising a lot of money for programs that have no goals to operate on an elite level "Signature programs" is an oxymoron among schools which cut sports, because the money never, ever goes back into athletics. St. John's cut six sports in 2002, what are they better at today? This argument is like those who would argue that funding the Graduate School is preventing undergraduate programs from thriving. It's counterintuitive and something Georgetown is wise not to get involved in. Not really--Creating signature programs athletically and academically is a big part of what defines a top university-- Just look at how a school like Northwestern targets certain sports--that a few years ago did not exist and now are at the top of their sport like its women's lax(i think 3 NCAA titles in a row) or tennis. Northwestern does not have a track team(xc only)--it made a conscious decision not to compete where it did not feel it currently had the resources to be at an elite level--I'm sure that they could change their mind if their resource situation changes. Well run Universities take a cost benefit(including academic costs) to funding various sports--I guess merely having 29 sports could be a goal in itself(if the athletes were just ordinary students), but most are recruited and get considerable admissions help to get in-so there is a cost to us in fielding a team even if the financial costs are low If you assume that the resources for the ath dept are fixed then squandering money on programs that have no chance to be competitive definitely draws resources away from programs where more resources would make them competitive. Fundraising for athletics is highly correlated to the program's success or goals at least--hypothetically if we took baseball 6 schollies and gave them to golf--the golf team would be a lot better--same would be true in reverse--i don't think the existence or lack thereof of a golf or baseball team would have much of an impact on the other sport. Btw, some(not all) of Gtwn's marginal grad programs are a waste of resources too-if you allocated money wasted on the marginal programs to undergrad program it would be better too.
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Post by reformation on Apr 14, 2010 20:49:43 GMT -5
The job of an athletic director is not an easy one anywhere and especially not at Georgetown. Reed needs our support because there is no margin for error. Issue One: Facilities. Georgetown needs $100 million in facilities upgrades now...not 2015, not 2020, now. None of CSU's somewhat limited facilities were built under Reed's watch, and his budget was only 235th in Division I. He needs to be able to walk into offices and secure seven and eight figure gifts. When? Now. Issue Two: Revenues. Georgetown is fielding 29 sports and only one returns significant income. Women's basketball has shown no revenue trail, and unless you build the MSF and actually start to win some games, football hasn't either. Both are part of the future, however, because there must be a broader revenue stream that allows Georgetown to meet its objectives and athletic obligations--a broad based athletic program is vital to Georgetown and DeGioia is clear in as saying he is not in the business of cutting sports.--- Maybe he (DeGioia)should consider cutting a few sports and allocating the resources so that we can have more signature programs-just saying that he is not into cutting sports has been tantamount to supporting many mediocre efforts which really makes no sense--I really don't think we will(or should) be successful in raising a lot of money for programs that have no goals to operate on an elite level Re: the new AD hopefully he is good and certainly deserves our support and a chance to do well.
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Post by reformation on Apr 11, 2010 20:08:16 GMT -5
Great runs by the women + sprinters: Schneider/O'Grodnick/Whalen + Maggie Infeld(ex hoya) Ulm/Perron/Mitchell
Men's middle distance squad had a small contingent who ran some fairly pedestrian times--they have really struggled this yr
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Post by reformation on Apr 4, 2010 8:28:48 GMT -5
Good 1500 by frosh Dylan Sorensen-equivalent to 4:04-4:05 mile--nice first outing. Springer's first 1500 in 3:51 more or less a 4:08 mile is slower than his hs times which were near 4 flat, lets hope he is recovering from his injury and will improve rapidly. also good first outing by bean and mason in the 1500, though both will have to get faster to be nationally competitive in the spring. Good runs by Toby Ulm in the 400h and Christine whalen in the 800.
Still no sign of Emily Infeld, Renee Tomlin, or Andrew Bumbalough. I guess we'll know if they are redshirting or not based on whther they run next week
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Post by reformation on Mar 28, 2010 18:18:30 GMT -5
Skinner is a class guy. It seems only right that he would want to leave those hypocrites at Benedictarnold College FWIW, one of the BC hierarchy told me a few months back that Skinner was the laziest guy at BC---maybe he's a great bench coach and has a very good staff, I'm not sure how hard he'll push with a LTerm guaranteed contract--he is coasting now at BC off his early real success.
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Post by reformation on Mar 28, 2010 10:10:31 GMT -5
What's are the chances of the men/women making the NCAA's this yr?
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Post by reformation on Mar 27, 2010 7:19:23 GMT -5
Decent runs for Mason + Sorensen in the steeple 8:5x/9:08. Very nice run for natasha labeaud 33;xx in the 10k--might be a pr. 5k runs were ok for Dennin 13:59, though he ran faster indoors , so I bet he would have expected to go faster. Roberts and Taye ran in the 14:30's which is not competitive at an elite level --not sure what is going on with them as I suspect that they are both injured as both have regressed significantly over the past yr--too bad as they were big recruits that showed promise early in their careers, but I guess have been done in by injury. Hopefully the same is not true for Bumbalough as he is a no show at both raleigh and Stanford.
Also Krisch had a decent 10k just dipping under 29--not sure whether that is fast enough to make the NCAA meet though
Overall a mixed result except for the men + good result for the lone woman at the meet.
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Post by reformation on Mar 17, 2010 16:48:40 GMT -5
New women's recruits Cox and DaSilva are booth 400/800 runners with very good 400 speed. Like the other recruit Emily Menges they all have great 400 speed/however they have run their fastest 800 times as sophomores/juniors. Hopefully their speed will translate at the college level in the 800. Seems like the women have recruited well to replace Tomlin/Whalen, the graduating 800 runners and maybe the graduating 400 runners too.
The men have one elite 800-1500 recruit Ledder and another distance recruit Darrah--hopefully they will get additional men to replace their many graduating seniors like Bumbalough. Without some additional high elite mens mid distance recruits the squad will be pretty thin at the elite mid distance level despite last years big men's distance recruiting class
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Post by reformation on Mar 14, 2010 19:23:01 GMT -5
At the High school indoor natl champs one of our women's recruits Joanna Stevens ran a blazing 10:12 in the 2mi(somewhere around 10-12th all time), as well a 4:49 for the mile placing 4th in both events. She also achored the 4 X mi relay for her school finishing second in the nation. Outstanding all around perf by Joanna Stevens. I thought that she was a pure distance runner but is also displaying serious mid distance talent as well.
Our other recruits did not fare as well in the 800(Ledder natl leader going into the race finished a disappointing 6th and Becca Deloache finished 22nd--both with much slower times than they had previously ran)
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Post by reformation on Mar 12, 2010 22:39:05 GMT -5
Huge run by women in DMR coming in 3rd behind Tennesse and Oregon--They were competitive for the NCAA win, but got outkicked by a bit on the final lap.--Congrats to Tomlin, Johnson, Schneider, and Emily Infeld who all ran strong relay legs!
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Post by reformation on Mar 10, 2010 20:13:28 GMT -5
Great showing by the women-The women have also recruited very well this year to improve the team's talent and depth
-Not having Bumby killed the men from a national competitive standpoint for the indoor season--(this was probably their weakest showing in the mid distances in recent memory)They have one high elite 800m recruit this yr, but its unclear what to think of their overall prospects except for their elite 400 + 110 hurdlers going forward. Bumby's return should help this yrs outdoor prospects, but he graduates in May.
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Post by reformation on Mar 10, 2010 14:51:13 GMT -5
saw we just signed another women's 400/800 recruit--Becca Deloache out of North Carolina. She ran 56/2:11 as a jr--seems to have some speed for a mid distance runner with a 25 sec pr at 200, so hopefully she has good upside in the 800. Similar to Emily Menges in terms of times--who is a dual soccer + track recruit.
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Post by reformation on Mar 6, 2010 14:16:55 GMT -5
The women's 4X 400 burned a 3:35 to get second. Hopefully they will make the NCAA meet, that had to be one of the fastest indoor 4 X 400's ever for gtwn women.
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Post by reformation on Mar 6, 2010 13:53:03 GMT -5
In the mile Bean dropped out and Mason faded badly. I would assume Bean is sick-not clear what happened to Mason.
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Post by reformation on Mar 6, 2010 13:33:42 GMT -5
Toby Ulm ran aggressively but faded in 47.95, probably 1 sec too slow to make the NCAA's. Theon O'Connor did not start in the 800--too bad considering how well he ran yesterday.
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Post by reformation on Mar 6, 2010 10:13:27 GMT -5
A meet designed to get runners qualifiers for the NCAAs. Best mark on our side was Mark Dennin (redshirt freshman) ran a 13:56.43, which is a provisional mark for the NCAAs (auto is 13:47). Great run by Mark. Mike Krisch finished 10th in the same race in 14:07.96, which is also a provisional mark. The men's DMR of Mason, Ulm, O'Connor, and Bean ran a 9:50.52, which is also a provisional mark, but they finished 14th, so probably will not go to the NCAAs. Agree w/ Nevada re good runs by the women(probably won't make the NCAA's but good times/improvements). The men other than Krisch were pretty disappointing--on the DMR(video of races on Flotrack.org, both Mason and Bean faded badly on the 1200 and 1600 legs --the 400/800 legs by Ulm/O'Connor were pretty good. Hopefully Ulm and O'Connor will rip NCAA qualifiers today. This is the first time in recent memory that the men have not had a competitive DMR. The men's mid distance squad is way off its usual high standard this indoor season--hopefully they can improve for the outdoor. Bumby's return would certainly help. I think a combination of injuries(mainly Bumby), poor recruiting for a few years and a shift to a more balanced team adding strength to the hurdles and sprints has finally taken its toll on the elite middle distance effort. Also the times that collegians run has gotten much faster in the last few years--Gtwn's runners times have not improved with the pack unfortunately. Curiously the women's mid distance crew has done a better job of staying with the elite programs. Hopefully the men's fade will turn out to be a cyclical thing and last yr/this yr's recruiting class will turn out to be good and bring the mid distance program back to elite status.
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Post by reformation on Feb 27, 2010 10:39:30 GMT -5
Track by and large is committed to a focus on excellence,i.e., competing at the highest level of its sport--including having some kids compete for olympic spots. Its academic cost is low to moderate. Great universities define themselves by a focus on excellence in their chosen endeavors(teaching,athletics,research, service). I see track fitting in that role of a signature program for Gtwn--just like the SFS is a signature academic program. Gtwn should be focused on ehancing and expanding its signature programs both academically and athletically and should allocate resources accordingly.
Football on the other hand is not focused on competing at the highest level and has a very high academic and financial cost. Its easy to see given a simple cost benefit why one might advocate cutting the program(I'm not advocating that, but absent a substantial upgrade its hard to see how continuing the program makes any sense). Supporting a bunch of also ran activities athletically and academically is what needs to be examined.
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Post by reformation on Feb 27, 2010 10:27:59 GMT -5
I kinda wonder how scholarship track and field survives in the NCAA. The teams are huge, they need several coaches, they travel extensively, state of the art facilities are expensive, and they bring in no revenue. Georgetown is somehow able to recruit and train a few Olympic-caliber athletes, but they don't compete on campus and thus no one watches their events (whether you would get real attendance for a niche sport on campus is a different question). Only Nevada and reformation seem to pay any attention to their exploits here. Yet people want to cut football.
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