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Post by concord on Dec 19, 2012 22:24:51 GMT -5
Oh, we gotta continue the rivalry with Cuse if it's possible. The mutual hatred will be much-needed for our profile and enjoyment as a fanbase, especially since we now have to root for schools like Nova and Marquette to play well for the sake of our new conference. We can save the scorched earth for those losers at UConn.
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Post by concord on Dec 19, 2012 22:15:07 GMT -5
This is probably noted upthread, but Blaudschun (ajerseyguy) isn't some random blogger, he's a member of the (often annoying but usually well-sourced) Boston Sports Media Lodge and wrote for the Globe for many years covering the BE among other things. Might still do on occasion.
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Post by concord on Dec 17, 2012 21:17:33 GMT -5
The latest from Blaudschun -- apologies if anyone has already posted this: Aresco’s plan is keep the Big East together as it now stands for one more season in football and basketball, which would be a bridge year between new television contracts involving old and new teams.
The 7 Catholic schools have expressed a desire to leave as early as next season, but the most likely compromise that will be worked out is to give the Catholic schools the name Big East, collect a minimal exit fee which would then allow both leagues to begin operation on July 1, 2014, with new identities and focuses.
“Everyone is trying to make this as amicable a separation as possible,” said one Big East source familiar with the discussions “The Catholic schools were uncomfortable with the way the wind was blowing with more changes that seem to be coming and everyone understands that. It was just time to move.”
The moves the Big East and the Catholic schools make will come in increments, with a series of announcements and decisions being made over the next several weeks.ajerseyguy.com/?p=4420So, if this is how it goes down, we might get to keep the name -- but no word as to the distribution of NCAA units and exit fees accrued in the past. Maybe we'll divvy them up though, one can only hope.
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Post by concord on Dec 17, 2012 21:10:30 GMT -5
I'm fairly sure the NCAA units stay with the conference. However, unless I am mistaken, the breakaway 7 have not yet actually left the BE and they may have the ability to dissolve the conference if their demands are not met. That's their leverage to negotiate for a share of the units and potentially the name and the MSG tourney too.
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Post by concord on Dec 17, 2012 14:39:04 GMT -5
Not really. They spent some time wondering who gets the Big East name and ascribing a lot of value to that. There were copious anecdotes related of questionable relevance. Bilas showed up and predicted the death of the NCAA. Nobody really took a firm stand one way or another on the merits of the breakaway.
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Post by concord on Dec 17, 2012 13:07:55 GMT -5
Discussion starts at 30 minute mark.
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Post by concord on Nov 29, 2012 12:19:16 GMT -5
Whoops! Missed that and thought you just posted the legends classic article. Sorry about that.
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Post by concord on Nov 29, 2012 11:34:25 GMT -5
More love from Titus: www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8686451/which-team-indiana-duke-deserves-sit-top-mark-titus-top-12-ncaa-power-rankings"By power-ranking Georgetown 12th, I'm not just trying to show them the love nobody else wants to give them. I also think the Hoyas really are one of the 12 best teams in the country. They're remarkably disciplined for how young they are, they're unselfish, they're well coached, and they have a budding superstar in Otto Porter. He's my early pick for the Andrew Bogut Award, which is the fake award that goes to the most improved sophomore in college basketball."
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Post by concord on Nov 28, 2012 16:54:35 GMT -5
Didn't Concord or someone offer a quote from III a few pages ago that said, "It would take 3 phone calls" to do this or something like it? Can't find the exact quote/cite at the moment, but JTIII was asked in an interview or presser this summer/fall about what it would take to go to basketball-only if the football schools all bailed from the BE, and he indicated that it would be extremely straightforward to execute. IIRC he said something like "It would take about three phone calls."
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Post by concord on Nov 28, 2012 16:45:05 GMT -5
He sold us short for most of last year, although I guess that's tough to quibble with in retrospect. This was a good read, though.
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Post by concord on Nov 28, 2012 12:24:17 GMT -5
When somebody does a lengthy post-mortem on the subject, the Big East's decision a year or two ago to deny ESPN really was the beginning of the end of the entire conference. While turning down the ESPN deal might have been a strategic error, the handwriting has been on the wall dating back to the first ACC raid of the BE. Frankly, the beginning of the end of the BE was when it was founded around basketball instead of football, before the dawning of an age where football money trumps rivalries, regional cohesion, and sanity.
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Post by concord on Nov 28, 2012 10:30:19 GMT -5
So it's good the ACC picked Lousville; it leaves the Big East with what I have considered its crown jewel going back to before BC and Miami left. All of the above should translate into something on the TV side should we get there. Of course, by tomorrow they could be gone, and I am now in the camp of "The Big East is now something new - I would just like to watch the ACC implode and see Duke and Wake treated like Villanova, St. Johns and Georgetown have been for the last decade" - but I still don't understand why nobody has taken UConn. Agree completely, which is why it's just a matter of time until they head to the Big 10 or ACC in another round of expansion. They really don't deserve to be stuck in the BE at this point. For all the reasons you stated, we'd be extraordinarily lucky to still have them on board by the time a new TV deal is signed (and even then there will probably be a "if UConn leaves, your payout craters" clause).
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Post by concord on Nov 27, 2012 15:58:34 GMT -5
Comparing Georgetown basketball to Boise St football and Butler basketball is wrong on so many levels... Watched any Holy Cross games lately? They once won an NCAA championship as well. Don't get it twisted thinking that Georgetown is a more refined Kentucky. GU has dreadfully mismanaged its athletic program since forever and more or less lucked into the Thompson family as our basketball standardbearers. We honestly don't even deserve a seat at the conference roulette table but for two great basketball coaches from the same family tree. And what's so terrible about Butler and BSU? Butler played in TWO recent NCAA title games, and they can link up with IU, Notre Dame, and Purdue to play a yearly Indiana tourney, while we can't even squash a 30-year-old beef with UMCP over gate receipts from the Capital Center. Meanwhile, Boise has a winning highly successful top-division football team which, if we had one, would solve all our problems. I don't think we're in any position to turn up our noses at schools like these from a purely athletic standpoint. Regardless, my point is that national relevance from an athletic standpoint really doesn't rely on rivalries. It relies on WINNING GAMES no matter who you are playing against, especially in a sport like MCBB that has a single national championship tournament open to all athletic conferences. [On edit: We have a winning football team too, of course, but not the caliber that the big conferences crave.]
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Post by concord on Nov 27, 2012 14:39:15 GMT -5
Many on this board seem to be missing a huge point: A solid TV deal is ESSENTIAL to funding Georgetown's other athletic programs- Soccer, lax, track, etc. The Hoyas need to be proactive right now. Not next week, not next year, right freaking now- with contingency plans. I think some people are a little too optimistic about the Hoyas basketball relevance in another version of the A10. This is a very good, but not great (KY, UNC, Duke, IU, KU) basketball program- let's be honest- 1 national title nearly 30 years ago, struggling to sell 12,000 tickets to some games even when competitive. This isn't ND football carrying millions of viewers on NBC every Saturday, good or bad. The Hoyas need TV coverage and major conference opponents every year to remain a national basketball brand. Sort of two issues at play here. Agreed that the TV money, which seems right now to be utterly focused on football content, is vital to supporting our entire athletic effort, which in turn is key to keeping alums in support of the athletic department as a whole. But what contingency plans would you have the Hoyas develop? It is extremely unlikely that we will leave the Big East because no better conference (athletically, or in the case of the Ivy pipe dream, academically) would want us; moreover, it would be senseless to pay $10m to leave the BE in order to help found a basketball-centric conference that would take decades to make that money back, when we can just set one up within the BE in the event that the football schools exit en masse. (JTIII: "It would take about three phone calls.") Finally, if our worst-case scenario is to end up in a conference with no football schools in which we'd be one of the bigger names if not the biggest, why would we leave the BE to start a conference with no NCAA autobid for 7 years, considering we would be the favorite for said autobid? The fact is that although it's nice to think about DeGioia, Reed and Tagliabue working the phones to get us into the ACC, that's almost definitely not happening save some kind of come-to-Jesus moment on the part of the ACC's more basketball-oriented schools -- the ones last seen stabbing us in the back on the way out the door. As to the second point, maintaining basketball relevance, it's very simple. What we have to do is win. Did Butler base its success and rising fortunes on its renowned rivalries with Horizon League opponents? On the football side, did Boise become a nationwide brand thanks to its conference strength of schedule? As long as Georgetown wins a lot of basketball games, especially in the tournament, our program will be relevant regardless of our conference. Of course, it will be hard to continue to win without keeping JTIII, which requires making plenty of TV money, which requires football at this point in time, and so we've come full circle to contemplate the spectacle of our hybrid-conference purgatory.
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Post by concord on Nov 27, 2012 12:11:21 GMT -5
Through all of the Big East's panic moves, it continues to surprise me that East Carolina does not get any consideration. Is it the location, academics, sports program or some combination thereof? Funny you should mention that...East Carolina now on verge of joining BE (albeit per the Worldwide Liar)
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Post by concord on Nov 27, 2012 11:49:56 GMT -5
Seems to me like the BE is lining up a junior varsity SEC by gobbling up second-tier schools in Florida, Texas and so forth while the ACC loads up on teams from the north. While teams like Central Florida may seem ridiculous as adds, I bet they move the needle in their region more than BC does here in Boston (seriously, nobody cares). Ultimately, a football conference would probably be better served by having the 2nd or even 3rd best set of Deep South teams than the very best set of Northeast teams.
None of this ought to have anything to do with Georgetown basketball in a rational world, but as long as we can keep funding our athletic programs off the ludicrous amounts of football money that are being thrown about, I'm all for it. Our in-conference opponents may slide, but JTIII is doing an excellent job with nonconference scheduling that gets us on TV and in the conversation.
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Post by concord on May 8, 2012 12:06:23 GMT -5
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Post by concord on May 7, 2012 15:35:10 GMT -5
One of the schools, sure. But not THE ringleader, as four different ESPN articles would have it.
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Post by concord on May 7, 2012 15:27:36 GMT -5
Every single ESPN article about Marinatto's ouster points to Georgetown as the leader of the anti-ESPN-extension movement, a claim that never surfaced before today. What gives?
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Post by concord on May 7, 2012 13:22:29 GMT -5
espn.go.com/blog/bigeast/post/_/id/32570/where-did-john-marinatto-go-wrong"No other commissioner on the FBS level has to deal with basketball-only members, still believing their interests should come first. No other commissioner on the FBS level has had to deal with football members perplexed as to why the folks on the other side do not quite understand the reality of the situation." Article also re-asserts that Georgetown led the charge to shoot down ESPN's extension offer, states that football BE members refused to let Nova move up in football, and relates an anecdote in which football schools requested a 75/25 revenue split for football/basketball and one basketball-only AD says it should be the other way around since the BE was founded on basketball.
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