|
Post by HoyasAreHungry on Mar 21, 2023 7:17:18 GMT -5
Welcome Coach Cooley! It feels pretty darn good to be excited about Gtown basketball again!
|
|
|
Post by HoyasAreHungry on Mar 21, 2023 7:09:26 GMT -5
He's not explosive but he's pretty nimble. He gets out on the break a lot more than you would expect from someone his size. Very active, sets lots of picks, keeps offense moving, very active on defense as well. Good rebounder. Hes a better player than Q, Ryan, Ezewiro. Wont be a huge bucket getter though. Seems like a lot of bigs Cooley likes (Croswell) Yup the Flex offense will get him more buckets with all the duck-ins(think Lonnie Baxter at MD) from the weak side after the Flex screen. Is he my kind of player? No. I get how he works in that AL Skinner version of Flex with everyone so close in. Now Cooley varies the Flex with some ball screens now but I get why he would want a guy like Lampkin who can pass well at 6-11 290. I'm a Flex offense hater. I think it easily leads to offense stagnation cause you get so into the pattern when you get taken out of it, it leads to hero ball or wild shots. Plus to alleviate these problems everyone has to be reading the same thing and know how to read defenses. I do like Cooley's teams how they attack the offense boards though. I welcome having that back in this program. He's mostly ditched the flex at this point. I'm with you it was an archaic offense; one of the reasons I was in favor of Cooley is he's shown the ability to adapt his offense thankfully But to the broader point of the thread, I'm very interested to see if he can "level up" in terms of the players he can get. Would love to see his teams get more athletic than what he was working with at Providence and continue to adapt to the players he's able to bring in. This initial class will definitely be important to setting the tone of Georgetown being back
|
|
|
Post by HoyasAreHungry on Mar 14, 2023 14:01:15 GMT -5
Every year it feels like there's one Cinderella team who scores a couple upsets in the tournament and helps springboard a coach into a high major job. There are a lot of potential candidates this year for us: Ryan Odom, Utah State Pat Kelsey, Charleston Matt Langel, Colgate Mike Morrell, UNC Asheville Mike Rhoades, VCU John Becker, Vermont Darian Devries, Drake Dusty May, Florida Atlantic Georgetown should have an eye on every one of these guys. Honestly each one of them has a resume good enough to warrant at least a look for our opening even as things currently stand. Then, the odds are that at least one of them will break through and score an upset (or two) this weekend, and suddenly they will be a hot commodity (think: Andy Enfield or Shaheen Holloway). If Cooley balks, or if the price is climbing too high, there are a number of guys who warrant a long look. And if they find a little success in the tournament they will suddenly look like a no-brainer a week or two from now. There is no reason to get too locked in on a single candidate like Cooley, nor to panic if that candidate falls through. Yet apparently that's EXACTLY what Gtown has put themselves in the position of. They just can't help themselves can they?
|
|
|
Post by HoyasAreHungry on Mar 14, 2023 12:11:28 GMT -5
Well that would certainly give all of us something to agree on.
Disaster. RIP Georgetown Hoops
|
|
|
Post by HoyasAreHungry on Mar 14, 2023 10:07:15 GMT -5
For the MEN'S Program!!!! ;-) Have her pull double duty!
|
|
|
Post by HoyasAreHungry on Mar 14, 2023 10:04:01 GMT -5
I'd love it if they approached Billy Donovan at this point. I can understand being gun shy about the NBA thing, but he's done it big time in college already. This is turning into a S show when this should have been the easiest search ever
|
|
|
Post by HoyasAreHungry on Mar 14, 2023 10:02:32 GMT -5
Need someone to make the best possible choice for this program (Patino is the best available with a proven record - pay him). Recruiting will start on day one of this hire. At this point we are still at the bottom of the BE. No one can predict the future - MJ taken 3rd in the draft. Anthony Grant sounds good to me. Anthony Grant is considering retiring.
|
|
|
Post by HoyasAreHungry on Mar 13, 2023 18:53:55 GMT -5
Dawn Staley
*Ducks
|
|
|
Post by HoyasAreHungry on Mar 13, 2023 18:17:22 GMT -5
I'm generally with you about the fact if they're willing to drop that kind of money they should be super big game fishing, but who is it that you're talking to if so....who's listening at that level that you'd want? It would have been Oates for me (before his handling of this murder situation this year), Sampson, Few, Tommy Lloyd, Jerome Tang.....who else. Who would realistically be tempted to move though? Sampson may be the only one who may listen. It's pretty clear they've been backchanneling for months, who's to say they didn't put out feelers to some of these big names? *I am by no means defending the admin here, just a curious thought exercise because most of you are saying that Cooley's not worth this kind of money. My argument is to get anyone good to leave you're gonna have to pony up regardless. **Pitino is still available for cheaper
|
|
|
Post by HoyasAreHungry on Mar 13, 2023 14:31:46 GMT -5
They're making a big mistake not engaging Pitino, but if they land Cooley it'll be as good an outcome as any currently given the landscape of what's out there in my opinion. What encourages me about Cooley is that we need a big personality in this role. Not someone who's going to come in and be deferential to the status quo of Georgetown. His engagement with us the fans would be a massive breath of fresh air. The other thing I'll give Cooley is that he's clearly willing and able to adapt. This is what brought the end of III's tenure, his inability to adapt to how basketball was being played. I used to rag on Cooley all the time in terms of his archaic flex offense. He's since retired that. He's embraced the changing landscape of how to recruit in terms of impact transfers. I absolutely do think his ceiling is higher here than at Providence. And if his floor is what he has done already, then being in the tournament more often than not is MUCH better spot to be in. I know we all have high expectations for this program, but we could do WAY WAY worse than Cooley. I'll absolutely be on board if that's ultimately who we end up with. I generally agree. But what I don’t know, and I’m not sure is knowable, is the overall effect of a “godfather” offer to Cooley at some exorbitant amount. What is not happening because Cooley is being paid X dollars, while Pat is taking a vacation on our dime? The question is not necessarily whether Cooley would be a solid choice, but whether he is worth what he will commend, and what else might be done with the money if some other solid choice would come for a good deal of money, but less than Cooley. Well that's exactly why not hiring Pitino is so mind-numbingly shortsighted. (or fiscally irresponsible at best haha). Pitino would absolutely come at a lower overall price than Cooley is going to take to get here. We can argue all day whether or not Cooley is worth the money they're presumably looking at dropping on him. I'm not sure how we answer whether that number is worth it (yet) other than comparing the Pitino to Cooley number. They're making the bet on a pretty sure thing, we know what Cooley is in terms of a coach, they're clearly comfortable spending that type of money to get this sure thing. The thing is, it's going to take that kind of money to lure away a sure thing no matter what (Cooley or otherwise). You're not getting any top tier coaches at established programs to want to bail for less than big big money. And even then, they aren't going to do it unless the Georgetown name has some cache to them. I do think it's a good thing that Georgetown means something to Cooley (it means something to Pitino too that's why he wants it). Now if they gave up that type of money to Shrews or another lesser candidate that's a whole other story.
|
|
|
Post by HoyasAreHungry on Mar 13, 2023 14:01:54 GMT -5
They're making a big mistake not engaging Pitino, but if they land Cooley it'll be as good an outcome as any currently given the landscape of what's out there in my opinion. What encourages me about Cooley is that we need a big personality in this role. Not someone who's going to come in and be deferential to the status quo of Georgetown. His engagement with us the fans would be a massive breath of fresh air. The other thing I'll give Cooley is that he's clearly willing and able to adapt. This is what brought the end of III's tenure, his inability to adapt to how basketball was being played. I used to rag on Cooley all the time in terms of his archaic flex offense. He's since retired that. He's embraced the changing landscape of how to recruit in terms of impact transfers. I absolutely do think his ceiling is higher here than at Providence. And if his floor is what he has done already, then being in the tournament more often than not is MUCH better spot to be in. I know we all have high expectations for this program, but we could do WAY WAY worse than Cooley. I'll absolutely be on board if that's ultimately who we end up with.
|
|
|
Post by HoyasAreHungry on Mar 11, 2023 19:48:19 GMT -5
Set aside the fact that they’re not willing to consider Pitino (which I could go on and on about), but how are these the only options?? We’re clearly willing to spend money, and our options are Brey, Shrewsberry, and Cooley?? How are you in that situation?? I’d be satisfied with Cooley, but again he’s far from a sure thing. They’re literally all in on one guy seemingly and it would be a serious coup. How are you not putting out feelers Jerome Tang, Porter Moser, Ron Hunter, Etc. Hell, make Sampson or Few say no. I’m not saying those two are likely but again how the eff are we here with these options and only these options??? It does not make any sense. I'd even call to see if billy donovan wants to leave the association. Absolutely! Name whoever! I just don’t understand how we’ve just ended on these 3 names
|
|
|
Post by HoyasAreHungry on Mar 11, 2023 19:15:59 GMT -5
Set aside the fact that they’re not willing to consider Pitino (which I could go on and on about), but how are these the only options?? We’re clearly willing to spend money, and our options are Brey, Shrewsberry, and Cooley?? How are you in that situation??
I’d be satisfied with Cooley, but again he’s far from a sure thing. They’re literally all in on one guy seemingly and it would be a serious coup.
How are you not putting out feelers Jerome Tang, Porter Moser, Ron Hunter, Etc. Hell, make Sampson or Few say no. I’m not saying those two are likely but again how the eff are we here with these options and only these options??? It does not make any sense.
|
|
|
Post by HoyasAreHungry on Mar 10, 2023 16:20:01 GMT -5
What we may never know is would Pitino have chosen us over SJ if both showed equal interest. Leave JD’s what’s aside, I’m not sure Pitino would pick Georgetown over SJ with both offering the job. SJ just makes a lot more sense for both sides there. I absolutely think he'd choose Gtown over St. John's. Without question. Now, hopefully we find out if that's true or not
|
|
|
Post by HoyasAreHungry on Mar 10, 2023 13:38:39 GMT -5
Hell if they're ready to drop serious money go get Gates. Absolutely. 1A Gates 1B Pitino Would be content with Cooley, but make those other two say no first. You’d pick gates over Pitino? Why? As you can tell from my profile picture I'm all in on Pitino; it's a no brainer to me and the most economically responsible as well. I should have phrased that differently. They're both 1A 1A. I'd be absolutely ecstatic with either of those guys. The plus of Gates is he'll be here way longer.
|
|
|
Post by HoyasAreHungry on Mar 10, 2023 13:20:43 GMT -5
Hell if they're ready to drop serious money go get Gates. Absolutely.
1A Gates 1B Pitino
Would be content with Cooley, but make those other two say no first.
|
|
|
Post by HoyasAreHungry on Mar 9, 2023 14:53:34 GMT -5
I mean Cooley HAS to have a pretty large buyout clause in his contract as well. If they're comfortable with spending that kind of money, why not take a run at Gates? It's not clear that Cooley has a big buyout. Providence isn't a public university, we can't read his contract. Yeah I'm only theorizing as most contracts have them , and given his overtures to Michigan and elsewhere, along with his salary, I doubt that it's insignificant (Only at Georgetown do they give out fully guaranteed contracts with no buyouts to even coaches that no other program will even bother hiring
|
|
|
Post by HoyasAreHungry on Mar 9, 2023 14:27:33 GMT -5
I mean Cooley HAS to have a pretty large buyout clause in his contract as well. If they're comfortable with spending that kind of money, why not take a run at Gates?
|
|
|
Post by HoyasAreHungry on Mar 9, 2023 8:02:16 GMT -5
If he didn't announce last night, I don't see how this gets announced before Friday at this point, more likely Sunday. Sure didn't seem like Ewing has actually had a conversation with the Admin that he's not coming back next year. He clearly knows it's likely, but saying he'd be honored to be back doesn't project that he officially knows it's done yet. What a mess
|
|
|
Post by HoyasAreHungry on Mar 9, 2023 7:59:31 GMT -5
I look at it as Syracuse made their announcement quickly because they had the replacement all set up and could announce both at once. The last thing I want is for us to come out this morning and say....Patrick Ewing has "stepped down" as head coach, now welcome our new coach...Mike Brey! Mr. "2-18" replaced by Mr. "3-17"....wow, big upgrade! Most of the guys we want are still coaching basketball teams in tournaments, so a delay in announcing doesn't worry me....yet. I think the issue isn't "I'm worried it won't get done". The question is why not? Judging from everything we've seen, this has been baked in since January - you had two months to try to make nice so that we could exit gracefully with a you-keep-your-money-you-announce-your-resignation, and DeGioia didn't get it done. I don't know if this was because they couldn't agree or because DeGioia wanted to play money saving chicken with Ewing. The money saving chicken game is over though. DeGioia lost. Get it done now. Yeah his quotes postgame certainly don't make it seem like they've actually had the conversation yet, which is wild. Rationally he can see it coming, but I didn't take his comments to show he's already been shown the door. Sad situation all around JDG needs to have the meeting and then get the hell out of the way for this hire. This is a complete mess. Glad that the media are beating the drum as well
|
|