miracles87
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Post by miracles87 on Dec 1, 2022 21:52:04 GMT -5
FWIW I just watched Creighton lose to Texas. Dear God let us just forfeit those two games. What a beautiful team and a great coach. Eat our hearts out. Sheesh, I hope you are not an Oncologist!
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Dec 1, 2022 22:12:18 GMT -5
FWIW I just watched Creighton lose to Texas. Dear God let us just forfeit those two games. What a beautiful team and a great coach. Eat our hearts out. I remember just 3 short years ago we beat Texas on a neutral floor. Shortly after was the great Hoya exodus and thus the fuse was lit. Now we are where we are and Texas is #2 in the nation.
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95hoya
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Post by 95hoya on Dec 1, 2022 23:40:36 GMT -5
The results speak for themselves. The same issues that plague Ewing during his entire tenure. Poor recruiting and talent evaluation, awful player retention which a bad culture leads to. You don’t have mass exoduses otherwise. Losing season after losing season with historically bad seasons and performances. You can watch 5 minutes of Georgetown basketball for 5 minutes and come to the same conclusion. If you aren’t in support of change then you have different agendas and don’t want the Hoyas to be relevant again. Take your pick for the greatest coach in the history and have them pull a set of random names from everyone playing D1 basketball and you would take that team over the current Georgetown roster. You have no credibility. Talent here is really bad. It’s that simple. We have one guy who’d start for a tournament team and he’s nothing special and has the worst body language I’ve seen from a Hoyas player.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 2, 2022 8:33:27 GMT -5
Akok would start for any number of NCAA teams. I agree that we need a talent upgrade more than anything else, but talent is vastly improved from last year.
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bigskyhoya
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Post by bigskyhoya on Dec 2, 2022 8:43:14 GMT -5
That creaking sound you hear is the lowering of the bar. Most on here, including the few supporters of Ewing that remain, believed that the talent on this year's team was vastly improved. When will the excuses cease? It is abundantly clear that this team has more talented players than last year's team, what nonsense are you peddling now? The only excuses I see around here are from losers coming up with reasons not to support the team. I actually enjoy watching basketball and rooting for the Hoyas. I haven't the slightest idea what you are doing here, other than playing with the contents of your ever filled diaper! I wouldn't expect a zealot like you to recognize that a few in your camp blame lack of talent, rather than poor coaching, for the demise of the program. And your obsession with diapers is disconcerting. Please get help.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Dec 2, 2022 9:29:53 GMT -5
I think the talent is generally fine. Riley & Anglin should be playing more. Guys like Murray & Spears should be yanked when they show minimal effort or dumb effort. At the end of the day, that is how you get everyone to step in line. With a ton of new guys, it's also hard to point to who our leader is. I am not talking about the coach but a guy on the court. No one has any tenure so that doesn't help. There also doesn't appear to be a strong personality who can lead the team and do some of the on the floor coaching. That is a really big problem. I am not sure we have had that guy since Jabril & then Jagan. It doesn't have to be the best player, but it has to be someone that everybody respects.
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78HOYA78
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Post by 78HOYA78 on Dec 2, 2022 9:56:20 GMT -5
Understand all - but we get Murray back and we get zero points from "Q". Additionally, why doesn't Mutombo or Bass get any daylight. If they don't get any run now when the BE starts they will ride the pine for sure. Some of the players have to be discouraged. I can see Uconn winning it all.
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drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Dec 2, 2022 11:21:05 GMT -5
FWIW I just watched Creighton lose to Texas. Dear God let us just forfeit those two games. What a beautiful team and a great coach. Eat our hearts out. Sheesh, I hope you are not an Oncologist! At this point I consider myself more of a coroner...
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conshyhoya
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Post by conshyhoya on Dec 2, 2022 11:52:04 GMT -5
Take your pick for the greatest coach in the history and have them pull a set of random names from everyone playing D1 basketball and you would take that team over the current Georgetown roster. You have no credibility. Talent here is really bad. It’s that simple. We have one guy who’d start for a tournament team and he’s nothing special and has the worst body language I’ve seen from a Hoyas player. As it was pointed out Akok would definitely get time and I'm sure Heath would get his run. Even after his bad game he is hitting 50% from 3 and shot 43% from beyond the arc at ASU last year.
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miracles87
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Post by miracles87 on Dec 2, 2022 13:29:27 GMT -5
It is abundantly clear that this team has more talented players than last year's team, what nonsense are you peddling now? The only excuses I see around here are from losers coming up with reasons not to support the team. I actually enjoy watching basketball and rooting for the Hoyas. I haven't the slightest idea what you are doing here, other than playing with the contents of your ever filled diaper! I wouldn't expect a zealot like you to recognize that a few in your camp blame lack of talent, rather than poor coaching, for the demise of the program. And your obsession with diapers is disconcerting. Please get help. I know I am a zealot, that's why I post here occasionally, as opposed to the dozens of times a week that would label me as a casual fan
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miracles87
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Post by miracles87 on Dec 2, 2022 13:39:12 GMT -5
Sheesh, I hope you are not an Oncologist! At this point I consider myself more of a coroner... Then your fridge-side manner is spot on!
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hoyainla
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 2, 2022 13:42:42 GMT -5
Take your pick for the greatest coach in the history and have them pull a set of random names from everyone playing D1 basketball and you would take that team over the current Georgetown roster. You have no credibility. Talent here is really bad. It’s that simple. We have one guy who’d start for a tournament team and he’s nothing special and has the worst body language I’ve seen from a Hoyas player. This is simply not true. I don't think this is the right mix of talent but Murray and Akok would start on most teams in the country and certainly an average tournament team. Most of the rest of the guys outside of would be fringe starters or rotation guys on average tournament teams. This team is Terrell Allen type PG and a real coach away from being a Top 25 team. Even though most people have come around on Ewing not being a good coach some still just don't understand how truly bad he is. The talent has got blamed way too much since day 1 of the Ewing era. It has far exceeded the results. Luckily most of our guys move on so we get to see that proof.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 2, 2022 13:54:43 GMT -5
Talent here is really bad. It’s that simple. We have one guy who’d start for a tournament team and he’s nothing special and has the worst body language I’ve seen from a Hoyas player. This is simply not true. I don't think this is the right mix of talent but Murray and Akok would start on most teams in the country and certainly an average tournament team. Most of the rest of the guys outside of would be fringe starters or rotation guys on average tournament teams. This team is Terrell Allen type PG and a real coach away from being a Top 25 team. Even though most people have come around on Ewing not being a good coach some still just don't understand how truly bad he is. The talent has got blamed way too much since day 1 of the Ewing era. It has far exceeded the results. Luckily most of our guys move on so we get to see that proof. I am confident that a high quality coach could have this exact same roster at 8-10 Big East wins with a little time. No doubt. Last year's team was more limited, but we absolutely do have talent this year.
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Post by happyhoya1979 on Dec 5, 2022 15:47:53 GMT -5
The program actually won a tourney game in 14-15 helped greatly by a promising freshman class... The future looked good at that point I think the FGU debacle coming on top of previous tournament underperformances made it such that Georgetown was not going to recruit a Greg Monroe or Otto Porter level superstar again. Our claim at being elite went away that evening and has not returned. In 2010 we had a team with Greg Monroe that beat two final four teams (Duke and Butler) before being crushed in the tournament on the first weekend. To have that happen again in 2013 with FGU after we beat two of the final four teams (Louisville and Syracuse) during the regular season, I posit totally wrecked the program. To this day, we have never been able to recruit a Monroe/Porter or Mourning/Iverson NBA first round talent. It really was a total disaster.
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Bigs"R"Us
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 6, 2022 1:18:28 GMT -5
Kids want to play in the NCAAs. Top players want a shot at a Final Four run. We can’t offer that right now.
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Post by happyhoya1979 on Dec 6, 2022 7:55:46 GMT -5
Virginia was eliminated as a one seed in the tournament a few years ago in a close game and was able to totally recover, to a championship. The fact that we had two regular season top ten rated teams crushed in the tournament in non-close, embarrassing games is what killed us.
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