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Post by happyhoya1979 on Dec 1, 2022 12:34:59 GMT -5
So true. When the Otto Porter team that had ranked as high as number 5 in the polls, and that had beaten Final Four bound Louisville and Syracuse (twice) faltered in the tournament in embarrassing fashion we lost all respect as a power program. After that debacle, we were never able to compete at a top level. The program actually won a tourney game in 14-15 helped greatly by a promising freshman class... The future looked good at that point I think the FGU debacle coming on top of previous tournament underperformances made it such that Georgetown was not going to recruit a Greg Monroe or Otto Porter level superstar again. Our claim at being elite went away that evening and has not returned.
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Post by hoyaroc on Dec 1, 2022 12:39:33 GMT -5
The three Center class was an absolute bust. It’s not looking good so far and time will tell soon. Wahab is a big disappointment I hope he gets better by BE play.
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 1, 2022 12:42:46 GMT -5
The three Center class was an absolute bust. It’s not looking good so far and time will tell soon. Wahab is a big disappointment I hope he gets better by BE play. WYSIWYG. Not to bust on Q but it's a matchup issue with him.
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Post by 78HOYA78 on Dec 1, 2022 12:45:59 GMT -5
We can live with Akok not scoring but "Q" is different story. If my eyes did not deceive me there were over 14,000 fans reported at the game. If you can't get up to play in a crowd that big not sure what will.
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Post by TC on Dec 1, 2022 12:50:22 GMT -5
I think the FGU debacle coming on top of previous tournament underperformances made it such that Georgetown was not going to recruit a Greg Monroe or Otto Porter level superstar again. Our claim at being elite went away that evening and has not returned. Greg Monroe level and Otto Porter recruiting level are two marketedly different things. Monroe was the #1 recruit. Otto Porter was under the radar for a long time. Also, recruits didn't care about FGCU. I would kill to get back to the level where we get smoked out of the building as a #2 seed.
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Post by 78HOYA78 on Dec 1, 2022 13:01:32 GMT -5
It amazing when we've gotten beat in the past we put teams/players on the map/or make them household names (i.e., FCGU (Dunk City), Davidson (Curry), ODU) to name a few.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 1, 2022 13:26:59 GMT -5
The program actually won a tourney game in 14-15 helped greatly by a promising freshman class... The future looked good at that point I think the FGU debacle coming on top of previous tournament underperformances made it such that Georgetown was not going to recruit a Greg Monroe or Otto Porter level superstar again. Our claim at being elite went away that evening and has not returned. JT3 landed the consensus 27th, 51st & 62nd ranked kids in the 2014 class. He also got the 42nd and 92nd of 2015. Recruiting didn’t suffer after the FGCU massacre
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Post by hoyaroc on Dec 1, 2022 14:35:15 GMT -5
Just curious does anyone have a link to the TT game?
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Post by bills on Dec 1, 2022 14:38:52 GMT -5
One piece away from perfect roster construction…hmmm I’d trade the entire roster if I could just pull random names out of a bag. I’d have a better chance of fielding a better team. We added guys from losing programs/losing situations for the most part. The coach doesn’t create a great culture, and the type of players we bring in contribute to those issues. Establish your position and then look for any arguments to support it. You have no credibility after a post like this.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 1, 2022 15:01:21 GMT -5
The program actually won a tourney game in 14-15 helped greatly by a promising freshman class... The future looked good at that point I think the FGU debacle coming on top of previous tournament underperformances made it such that Georgetown was not going to recruit a Greg Monroe or Otto Porter level superstar again. Our claim at being elite went away that evening and has not returned. The class with Campbell, Copeland, Paul White, and LJ Peak, was actually really fantastic purely from a recruiting rankings perspective. And all of this happened after FGCU. In my mind, the failure of this class to live up to its potential (other than maybe Peak) is really what killed JT3 and the program. Other than Campbell, those were three 4 star guys, and they just didn't pan out (ESPN, I think, even had Copeland as a 5 star). JT3 also recruited Govan, Derrickson, Kaleb Johnson, all of whom were top 150ish depending on what ranking you looked at. While the FGCU was a horrible, embarrassing, cringe-worthy loss, and the 2014 team wasn't great (but almost made the tournament, and very well may have without losing to DePaul at the BET, I was there, it was painful), the 2015 team was quite good. 4 seed in the tournament, made the second round, played Utah (while a 5 seed, most metrics actually put us as the underdog in that game). That team was ranked 22 on KenPom, 29 on offense, 33 on defense. We'd kill for a repeat of that now. Of course, the bottom began falling out in 2016 and 2017, and that is in large part because JT3's Copeland class really did not pan out, nor did subsequent ones. But those teams in 2016 and 2017, which fans thought were so bad and intolerable were bad but not that bad. They were still ranked in the 60s on KenPom. If Ewing managed the same feat two years in a row, DeGioia would probably give him a lifetime contract. Had we built on 2015's success in 2016 and beyond, we'd likely be in a very different spot now. But, we aren't.
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Post by 95hoya on Dec 1, 2022 15:53:15 GMT -5
One piece away from perfect roster construction…hmmm I’d trade the entire roster if I could just pull random names out of a bag. I’d have a better chance of fielding a better team. We added guys from losing programs/losing situations for the most part. The coach doesn’t create a great culture, and the type of players we bring in contribute to those issues. Establish your position and then look for any arguments to support it. You have no credibility after a post like this. The results speak for themselves. The same issues that plague Ewing during his entire tenure. Poor recruiting and talent evaluation, awful player retention which a bad culture leads to. You don’t have mass exoduses otherwise. Losing season after losing season with historically bad seasons and performances. You can watch 5 minutes of Georgetown basketball for 5 minutes and come to the same conclusion. If you aren’t in support of change then you have different agendas and don’t want the Hoyas to be relevant again.
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Post by biggmanu on Dec 1, 2022 19:02:06 GMT -5
FGCU did not crush this program. An angry mob calling for JT3’s head, his father’s influence to keep things in the family exacerbated by Josh Leblanc making regrettable choices, a flukey BET run, and university leadership that lacks strategic decision makers on multiple fronts did
The Otto and Greg comparison is laughable. Otto was a brilliant find by JT3.
Gotta agree I’d kill for the time when we had a bunch boring choir boys playing some of that Princeton fundamentals stuff rather than this NBA style, rip my eyes out and puke my guts out BS that we have been watching.
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Post by guru on Dec 1, 2022 20:27:00 GMT -5
FGCU did not crush this program. An angry mob calling for JT3’s head, his father’s influence to keep things in the family exacerbated by Josh Leblanc making regrettable choices, a flukey BET run, and university leadership that lacks strategic decision makers on multiple fronts did The Otto and Greg comparison is laughable. Otto was a brilliant find by JT3. Gotta agree I’d kill for the time when we had a bunch boring choir boys playing some of that Princeton fundamentals stuff rather than this NBA style, rip my eyes out and puke my guts out BS that we have been watching. Otto was indeed a great find. Class player, class kid. The last time watching Hoyas hoops was really any fun at all. The usual suspects are stirring the revisionist history pot on JT3, however. Great guy, who had a nice run as our coach. But by the time he was rightfully fired, he was done. The mistake wasn't the JT3 firing - the mistake was the next hire. And the compounding of the mistake was keeping Ewing after last season's debacle. Until then, there were reasonable reasons for the decisions being made. I didn't agree with any of them, but you could justify hiring the greatest player ever to wear the Hoyas uniform to lead the program, and then giving him a chance to succeed. At this point, though, there is zero justification for Ewing still being the coach. We needed a Thompson-less reboot in 2017. We didn't get it. If we ever want this program to be competitive in our conference, to say nothing of returning to our status as a nationally relevant team, all the Thompsons and their hangers-on need to be gone.
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Post by biggmanu on Dec 1, 2022 20:45:56 GMT -5
Before JT3 got fired many were warning (myself included) that this type of outcome could very well happen. Not revising anything really. There are legitimately people who thought we’d end up with guys like Pitino, Shaka or Hurley instead of Ewing. I admit the early exits were rough but nothing like going 0-20, American U embarrass us, and letting a poor 3pt shooting team like Texas Tech light us up like a Christmas tree. I’m in the minority here - I know - but I think firing JT3 was a regrettable, short sighted decision. Not because JT3 was excellent or cause of his name, but more so because there was very little confidence the admin would make the right hire next
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 1, 2022 20:49:18 GMT -5
We hired a coach we couldn’t fire.
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Post by bills on Dec 1, 2022 21:18:23 GMT -5
Establish your position and then look for any arguments to support it. You have no credibility after a post like this. The results speak for themselves. The same issues that plague Ewing during his entire tenure. Poor recruiting and talent evaluation, awful player retention which a bad culture leads to. You don’t have mass exoduses otherwise. Losing season after losing season with historically bad seasons and performances. You can watch 5 minutes of Georgetown basketball for 5 minutes and come to the same conclusion. If you aren’t in support of change then you have different agendas and don’t want the Hoyas to be relevant again. Take your pick for the greatest coach in the history and have them pull a set of random names from everyone playing D1 basketball and you would take that team over the current Georgetown roster. You have no credibility.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 1, 2022 21:20:01 GMT -5
We hired a coach we couldn’t fire. For John Thompson, I think that was a feature, not a bug.
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Post by bigskyhoya on Dec 1, 2022 21:28:39 GMT -5
The results speak for themselves. The same issues that plague Ewing during his entire tenure. Poor recruiting and talent evaluation, awful player retention which a bad culture leads to. You don’t have mass exoduses otherwise. Losing season after losing season with historically bad seasons and performances. You can watch 5 minutes of Georgetown basketball for 5 minutes and come to the same conclusion. If you aren’t in support of change then you have different agendas and don’t want the Hoyas to be relevant again. Take your pick for the greatest coach in the history and have them pull a set of random names from everyone playing D1 basketball and you would take that team over the current Georgetown roster. You have no credibility. That creaking sound you hear is the lowering of the bar. Most on here, including the few supporters of Ewing that remain, believed that the talent on this year's team was vastly improved. When will the excuses cease?
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Post by drquigley on Dec 1, 2022 21:34:53 GMT -5
FWIW I just watched Creighton lose to Texas. Dear God let us just forfeit those two games. What a beautiful team and a great coach. Eat our hearts out.
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Post by miracles87 on Dec 1, 2022 21:51:11 GMT -5
Take your pick for the greatest coach in the history and have them pull a set of random names from everyone playing D1 basketball and you would take that team over the current Georgetown roster. You have no credibility. That creaking sound you hear is the lowering of the bar. Most on here, including the few supporters of Ewing that remain, believed that the talent on this year's team was vastly improved. When will the excuses cease? It is abundantly clear that this team has more talented players than last year's team, what nonsense are you peddling now? The only excuses I see around here are from losers coming up with reasons not to support the team. I actually enjoy watching basketball and rooting for the Hoyas. I haven't the slightest idea what you are doing here, other than playing with the contents of your ever filled diaper!
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