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Post by Ranch Dressing on Mar 4, 2019 15:50:27 GMT -5
Agreed that St. John's fired Norm Roberts too quickly. He had the program on the right track, but the alumni thought that he could and should have done better. It's been pretty close to a dumpster fire since then, and I'm surprised that Mullin hasn't figured out how to coach college players yet. Honestly, I don't think Mullin does much coaching. Reports from school say he doesn't run practices. And when you watch games, his assistant is running big portions, and sometimes 100% of timeout huddles. If I were an SJU fan, I'd find it unsettling how hands-off Mullin appears to be. I don't get that sense from Patrick AT ALL, thank goodness.
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Post by SirSaxa on Mar 4, 2019 16:08:27 GMT -5
Big difference between Patrick and Mullin? Pat had 15 years of hands-on NBA coaching experience. An 82 game schedule, plus playoffs. Every day, pretty much year round. And he had the goal of becoming a head coach one day. Guy was ready. Maybe he didn't have college experience, but he has done quite well on the recruiting trail and has his team leading the league in Offense. 500 ball in the BE so far in his second season. And building a solid future with the kids on the team and coming.
Hoyas definitely won that battle.
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Post by drquigley on Mar 4, 2019 16:26:00 GMT -5
I've said from the time I started tuning to St John's games last year that Mullins has no clue. He recruited a bunch of guys to come to St Johns basically because they thought they'd have a better shot at the NBA playing for Mullin in NYC. Watching them play I see a guys who are auditioning for the NBA and not paying team ball. Next St Johns game watch how long I takes for Ponds, Heron or Figueroa to either shoot or go to the hoop once they get the ball. Passing? And forget defense. In the Xavier game they took 5 free throws to Xavier's 33 and in the De Paul game DePaul went to the line 42 times!
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 4, 2019 16:47:11 GMT -5
Just wondering...when the day comes that St. John's and Chris Mullin part ways (which will be difficult because of what Mullin meant to the glory days of Little Looie and the then-monikered Redmen), where does SJU then go? Not the easiest school for which to recruit, and they've squandered the opening afforded to them for winter sports interest in NYC with the on-going struggles of the Knicks and Rangers). Other local coaches like Steve Masiello at Manhattan and King Rice at Monmouth are no longer hot tickets, and I doubt that Tim Cluess would be willing to leave Iona for that step-up in class and pressure.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Mar 4, 2019 17:20:51 GMT -5
I am amazed at the attention that St. John's gets in NYC and the buzz for the Big East in general. It really seems as if the sports media is starving for a good college basketball team. And, St. John's was the pick to click this year.
I would have to think that the pending deal to transfer St. John's home games will be a big factor in its administration's thinking.
I definitely agree that Mullin has not been a good coach and that this year's team has been a huge disappointment. But, as we have seen, these decisions really hinge upon money. Their attendance, even in the Garden, has been pretty good this year. And, I wonder whether that will give him a stay of execution.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Mar 4, 2019 17:29:21 GMT -5
After reading these recent posts, how awesome is it going to feel when Coach Pat gets our Hoyas above SJU in the final standings this year.
Talk about a dagger. In year 2 with 3 frosh. C'mon. That's a great result.
Let's get it done...!
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 4, 2019 18:13:23 GMT -5
Just wondering...when the day comes that St. John's and Chris Mullin part ways (which will be difficult because of what Mullin meant to the glory days of Little Looie and the then-monikered Redmen), where does SJU then go? Not the easiest school for which to recruit, and they've squandered the opening afforded to them for winter sports interest in NYC with the on-going struggles of the Knicks and Rangers). Other local coaches like Steve Masiello at Manhattan and King Rice at Monmouth are no longer hot tickets, and I doubt that Tim Cluess would be willing to leave Iona for that step-up in class and pressure. This is why I think St. John's could/will be ok, their new AD worked 19 years @ Duke in their athletic department & has been given full control of the program... I doubt he dumps Mullin but I'll be very surprised if his staff isn't shaken up a bit... nypost.com/2018/09/26/st-johns-about-to-snag-a-duke-official-as-its-new-ad/A high-level administrative St. John’s source said Cragg will have full autonomy over every athletic program, including the flagship basketball team, a privilege Goff lacked. An alumnus of the University of Washington, Cragg helped found the Duke Basketball Legacy Fund and is credited in part with raising $115 million for the program. He was also the school’s day-to-day contact with Nike, as part of the school’s partnership with the sneaker company. St. John’s is currently sponsored by Under Armour.Adding Cragg would be a coup for the basketball program, which last won an NCAA Tournament game in 2000 and has been to the tournament just twice in the past 16 years. He obviously knows what goes into producing a winner, coming from Duke. A school source called the move a “game-changer” for the program.nypost.com/2018/10/02/how-st-johns-new-ad-plans-to-help-chris-mullin/
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 4, 2019 23:32:41 GMT -5
I am amazed at the attention that St. John's gets in NYC and the buzz for the Big East in general. It really seems as if the sports media is starving for a good college basketball team. And, St. John's was the pick to click this year. I would have to think that the pending deal to transfer St. John's home games will be a big factor in its administration's thinking. I definitely agree that Mullin has not been a good coach and that this year's team has been a huge disappointment. But, as we have seen, these decisions really hinge upon money. Their attendance, even in the Garden, has been pretty good this year. And, I wonder whether that will give him a stay of execution. Regarding media coverage in New York... Football season ended early this year for the Giants and Jets. The Knicks have been horrible. The Nets could be playing in Boise for all the attention they get. The Rangers are rebuilding; the Islanders (while a surprise) are not the major topic; the Devils are irrelevant...and hockey only matters in New York come playoff time. (Note: I write that as a very very big Devils fan). Spring training is just getting going. In other words, St. John's has had the stage to themselves almost all year. And the failure of SJU to shown growth during the season has led the New York media, which has pretty much given Chris Mullin and the Johnnies a pass, to start really examining what is going on with the Red Storm. It's been a lost opportunity for St. John's, and by extension for the conference. It could have been worse. Had Syracuse and Connecticut been having strong basketball seasons, St. John's and the Big East could have become as irrelevant in New York as the Devils.
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Post by HamptonHoya on Mar 5, 2019 19:56:04 GMT -5
Xavier is losing to Butler very late in the game
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Post by HamptonHoya on Mar 5, 2019 20:02:09 GMT -5
Butler won. Hoyas in 3rd place alone!!!
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 5, 2019 20:05:27 GMT -5
If someone else can confirm this, a win Wednesday clinches no less than a top 6 (Thursday) bid, since there cannot be a five way tie (X vs. St. John's loser will end 8-10).
Also, it bears repeating that in a conference with lots of so-so teams, potentially finishing third would really get the committee's attention.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Mar 5, 2019 20:06:39 GMT -5
If someone else can confirm this, a win Wednesday clinches no less than a top 6 (Thursday) bid, since there cannot be a five way tie (X vs. St. John's loser will end 8-10). That’s how I read it.
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 5, 2019 20:33:16 GMT -5
If someone else can confirm this, a win Wednesday clinches no less than a top 6 (Thursday) bid, since there cannot be a five way tie (X vs. St. John's loser will end 8-10). That’s how I read it. Agreed. And while belaboring the obvious, we really need to beat DePaul.
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Mar 5, 2019 21:02:11 GMT -5
So a win tomorrow is basically a BET win. That’s how I’m lookin at it.
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 5, 2019 21:55:33 GMT -5
We pretty much are lock to play Xavier or St. Johns or Creighton at this point, and Creighton is only likely if they go 2-0 while we go 0-2. I'm not sure what my pick would be given those choices as St. John's has had our number in this event lately and would be desperate if they lose again, Creighton has given us fits, and Xavier was the hottest team in the league going into tonight.
While it may seem like the most illogical answer, I may lean towards Creighton, just because it's tough to beat a team 3 times in a season and we can't play much worse than we did against them last game.
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Post by aristides on Mar 5, 2019 22:07:57 GMT -5
Creighton is a really bad matchup for the Hoyas. I'd take anyone but them.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 5, 2019 22:58:31 GMT -5
If someone else can confirm this, a win Wednesday clinches no less than a top 6 (Thursday) bid, since there cannot be a five way tie (X vs. St. John's loser will end 8-10). Also, it bears repeating that in a conference with lots of so-so teams, potentially finishing third would really get the committee's attention. Yes. 4 teams have to finish 8-10, and winning tomorrow means we finish at least 6th or better.
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Post by dense on Mar 6, 2019 1:48:17 GMT -5
Creighton is a really bad matchup for the Hoyas. I'd take anyone but them. I think its more they seem to get hot from 3 when playing us.
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Post by lda05816 on Mar 6, 2019 13:11:18 GMT -5
We pretty much are lock to play Xavier or St. Johns or Creighton at this point, and Creighton is only likely if they go 2-0 while we go 0-2. I'm not sure what my pick would be given those choices as St. John's has had our number in this event lately and would be desperate if they lose again, Creighton has given us fits, and Xavier was the hottest team in the league going into tonight. While it may seem like the most illogical answer, I may lean towards Creighton, just because it's tough to beat a team 3 times in a season and we can't play much worse than we did against them last game. The "tough to beat a team 3 times" narrative just isn't true. This article ( coachbobwalsh.com/2015/03/02/its-hard-to-beat-a-team-3-times/ ) is from a few years back but details that over 10 years the team who won the first 2 games wins the 3rd game 72% of the time. Creighton is an absolutely terrible match up for us and I'd prefer to play Xavier or SJU instead. If I had to pick between the 3, I'd choose Xavier. With that said, win tonight and avoid Wednesday.
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 6, 2019 14:30:31 GMT -5
We pretty much are lock to play Xavier or St. Johns or Creighton at this point, and Creighton is only likely if they go 2-0 while we go 0-2. I'm not sure what my pick would be given those choices as St. John's has had our number in this event lately and would be desperate if they lose again, Creighton has given us fits, and Xavier was the hottest team in the league going into tonight. While it may seem like the most illogical answer, I may lean towards Creighton, just because it's tough to beat a team 3 times in a season and we can't play much worse than we did against them last game. The "tough to beat a team 3 times" narrative just isn't true. This article ( coachbobwalsh.com/2015/03/02/its-hard-to-beat-a-team-3-times/ ) is from a few years back but details that over 10 years the team who won the first 2 games wins the 3rd game 72% of the time. Creighton is an absolutely terrible match up for us and I'd prefer to play Xavier or SJU instead. If I had to pick between the 3, I'd choose Xavier. With that said, win tonight and avoid Wednesday. I guess we make up that 28 pct losing to DePaul and SJ in recent years
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