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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 1, 2019 10:02:05 GMT -5
Agree with the overall point, but do you think we've gotten a fair shake in terms of calls the last 5-6 games? Feels like we've gotten the short end of the stick more and more as conference season has gone on. I'm not saying Ewing has to chirp every time down the floor like Mullin did last night, but I do think he has to be more demonstrative on those 80-20, 90-10 calls that are being missed. There are always a few calls every game where a fan, thinks the call could have gone the other way. Over the last few Georgetown games I have seen, there have been some of those, but there have also been a few other calls where I think the Hoyas may have gotten the benefit of the doubt. In most cases if the players play hard and clean, and don't whine about everything, the calls should pretty much even themselves out over a course of a game. Most officials don't have any issues with talking to players or coaches, as long as it is done in a respectful manner. It is when the player or coach makes a scene and is trying to show up a referee, when the officials get fed up and things become heated. I have never had an issue with a player or coach coming over during a stoppage in the game and saying something like "can you watch number XXX, he is grabbing me where I come off the screen" or something like that. The very vast majority of officials go into each game just wanting to do the best job they can and hope they have a minimal impact on the game and let the players decide the outcome. Absolutely. What Ponds did last night (and Marvin Clark seemingly does every game) is a direct result of Mullin not controlling his kids and setting a proper example. In my opinion, kids should never be getting t'ed up; leave that to the coaches, especially at the college level where techs are also personals. For the most part, I thought the first half of the conference season was actually well-officiated, but I think it's definitely skewed a bit against us recently. I understand these calls somewhat on the road, but we shouldn't be struggling with this as bad as we are at home. Part of that does have to do with the GU crowd not riding officials nearly as hard as some other fan bases do (which can also be somewhat blamed by the lack of Jumbotron replays at Cap One). I agree Ewing's done a better job than his predecessor in working the officials during timeouts and coming out of halves, but there's still more that he could do. With the games as tight as they've been, a call here or there could make or break a game. He can't let us get taken advantage of at home this Saturday. Not with the stakes this high as you've mentioned.
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Post by hoyas315 on Mar 1, 2019 10:27:12 GMT -5
I'd think we want SJ bc it makes our win look better. Also will help get Xavier out of our way (as previously mentioned). That said, I'm never confident in the consistency of this SJ team From a quadrant perspective, we just need St. John's to stay in the top 75 of NET (they were 49 coming into tonight). I'm not sure there are enough games on the schedule for them to fall out. And I don't think they have enough games to crack the top 40 of NET unless they made a crazy run. Xavier was NET 83 coming into tonight. If they got into the top 75, a Q2 loss would move up to Q1 and a Q3 win would move up to Q2. Helps a little. Getting Providence (currently 77) into the top 75 of NET would be a big boost to our profile. Xavier up to 71 Net ranking from 83 after last nights win over St John’s. Georgetown is now 72.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 10:45:32 GMT -5
Terrible coach. Terrible outlook.
They're inches away from blowing this tourney appearance, which was supposed to be a given/baseline at the start of the year.
Lose Ponds, Clark, Heron(?), and somebody else (this is SJU...) and what are you looking at over the next couple of seasons? 10th place.
I'd much rather be DePaul going forward.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 1, 2019 11:06:43 GMT -5
From a quadrant perspective, we just need St. John's to stay in the top 75 of NET (they were 49 coming into tonight). I'm not sure there are enough games on the schedule for them to fall out. And I don't think they have enough games to crack the top 40 of NET unless they made a crazy run. Xavier was NET 83 coming into tonight. If they got into the top 75, a Q2 loss would move up to Q1 and a Q3 win would move up to Q2. Helps a little. Getting Providence (currently 77) into the top 75 of NET would be a big boost to our profile. Xavier up to 71 Net ranking from 83 after last nights win over St John’s. Georgetown is now 72. Yeah, I guess the optimistic way to look at it is that almost every team we would play on the first couple of days of the BET is a quality opponent. Just need to avoid having to play DePaul 3x in 3 weeks. That won't help.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 1, 2019 11:44:16 GMT -5
Terrible coach. Terrible outlook. They're inches away from blowing this tourney appearance, which was supposed to be a given/baseline at the start of the year. Lose Ponds, Clark, Heron(?), and somebody else (this is SJU...) and what are you looking at over the next couple of seasons? 10th place. I 'd much rather be DePaul going forward. Let's not go crazy but I agree that St. John's is not in a good place right now.
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Post by lda05816 on Mar 1, 2019 12:30:17 GMT -5
From a quadrant perspective, we just need St. John's to stay in the top 75 of NET (they were 49 coming into tonight). I'm not sure there are enough games on the schedule for them to fall out. And I don't think they have enough games to crack the top 40 of NET unless they made a crazy run. Xavier was NET 83 coming into tonight. If they got into the top 75, a Q2 loss would move up to Q1 and a Q3 win would move up to Q2. Helps a little. Getting Providence (currently 77) into the top 75 of NET would be a big boost to our profile. Xavier up to 71 Net ranking from 83 after last nights win over St John’s. Georgetown is now 72. Xavier moving up makes them a Quad 2 win at the moment. If we win the next 2 games and Providence moves up 3 spots, we'll have combined 11 Quad 1&2 wins, which would be our strongest argument for inclusion.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 12:38:40 GMT -5
Terrible coach. Terrible outlook. They're inches away from blowing this tourney appearance, which was supposed to be a given/baseline at the start of the year. Lose Ponds, Clark, Heron(?), and somebody else (this is SJU...) and what are you looking at over the next couple of seasons? 10th place. I 'd much rather be DePaul going forward. Let's not go crazy but I agree that St. John's is not in a good place right now. With the new arena and recent recruiting success & interest, I'm taking DePaul over the next 5 years. "Much rather" might be harsh, but i think there's a better chance DU is good in the short term than SJU (see Mullin, Chris & Queens, Jamaica)
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Post by prhoya on Mar 1, 2019 12:39:56 GMT -5
Terrible coach. Terrible outlook. They're inches away from blowing this tourney appearance, which was supposed to be a given/baseline at the start of the year. Lose Ponds, Clark, Heron(?), and somebody else (this is SJU...) and what are you looking at over the next couple of seasons? 10th place. I 'd much rather be DePaul going forward. Let's not go crazy but I agree that St. John's is not in a good place right now. Still, they have a verbal commit from #63-ranked 2020 SG Tabor.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 1, 2019 12:41:16 GMT -5
The BE bracket now. I don't like the Xavier matchup at all. They played really well against us and we have had two poor games against them. I have been to lots of BET games. It’s actually been unusually rare for Gtown to play in the second game of the doubleheaders. Maybe I have selective memory but I think it’s just been a weird statistical fluke. Maybe it's because we've all been drinking non-stop since 11:30 am, and the final game of the day tips off no earlier than 9:30 pm?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 1, 2019 14:23:38 GMT -5
With the new arena and recent recruiting success & interest, I'm taking DePaul over the next 5 years. "Much rather" might be harsh, but i think there's a better chance DU is good in the short term than SJU (see Mullin, Chris & Queens, Jamaica) Selling DePaul short on this one. The new arena has been a sinkhole--DePaul wrote a check to the City of Chicago for $70M and they're drawing the same as they did in Rosemont. A Chicago newspaper filed FOIA requests which showed that some of DePaul's 2018-19 non-conference games drew less than 1,000 in the building and the announced season average of 4,418 is closer to 2,500. DePaul hasn't had a winning season since 2007 and it may not even make it this year. In 2019-20 they lose Cain, Strus and Olujobi. St. John's on the other hand, still has the subway alumni pull, the newspapers talk them up (unlike, say, Fordham), and the Garden is a strong recruiting tool. Fewer NYC kids stay as they migrate to prep schools, sure, but the Chicago kids all leave town. And as the NYC to Syracuse pipeline dries up in Boeheim's elder years, the right kind of coach could turn up SJ in a hurry.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 15:26:17 GMT -5
Selling DePaul short on this one. The new arena has been a sinkhole--DePaul wrote a check to the City of Chicago for $70M and they're drawing the same as they did in Rosemont. A Chicago newspaper filed FOIA requests which showed that some of DePaul's 2018-19 non-conference games drew less than 1,000 in the building and the announced season average of 4,418 is closer to 2,500. DePaul hasn't had a winning season since 2007 and it may not even make it this year. In 2019-20 they lose Cain, Strus and Olujobi. St. John's on the other hand, still has the subway alumni pull, the newspapers talk them up (unlike, say, Fordham), and the Garden is a strong recruiting tool. Fewer NYC kids stay as they migrate to prep schools, sure, but the Chicago kids all leave town. And as the NYC to Syracuse pipeline dries up in Boeheim's elder years, the right kind of coach could turn up SJ in a hurry. I'm going to bat with Jacobs, Gage, Weems, Reed, Gordon and a real coach. Maybe Shannon signs back up too. That's a bunch of legit top 100 talent with Reed, who was probably their best player the other night. Next year St John's is staring at a rotation w/ 5 transfers - Simon, Heron, Figueroa, Steere, Keita. Aside from their lingering mediocrity, there's almost no chance all of those guys are on the roster come January 2020. And they'll still have no depth and a horrible coach. As for the arena... people show up when you win, whether it's Chicago, MSG, or MCI/Verizon/CapOne. WinTrust is just an improvement over the burbs. ON EDIT: That Depaul rotation would feature 2 Chicago kids (3 w/ Shannon) and SJU wouldn't run any from NYC.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 1, 2019 15:59:39 GMT -5
As for the arena... people show up when you win, whether it's Chicago, MSG, or MCI/Verizon/CapOne. WinTrust is just an improvement over the burbs. The Chicago papers reported that DePaul turned down a rent free deal at the United Center to go in with Rahm Emanuel on the Wintrust property. That's not just dumb, that was stupid. Wintrust's location isn't exactly Penn Quarter or midtown Manhattan, either. Why would fans suddenly want to ride a late night El train and walk five blocks in the cold along Cermak to see games that they never attended at Rosemont in the first place? The fans of the Ray and Joey Meyer era are now in their fifties and beyond, and DePaul never replenished the fan base. Tangentially, this is the problem the Redskins face--younger fans aren't as connected to HTTR as those that went before them. An entire generation has grown up without experiencing the good times of the Squire and of RFK Stadium. They have grown tired of the FedEx Field experience and aren't coming back to give Dan Snyder $115 a ticket and pay as much as $50 a game for parking in a field in Landover, with or without a winning season. In the meantime, they've become Caps fans instead, or just watch on TV.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 16:13:01 GMT -5
As for the arena... people show up when you win, whether it's Chicago, MSG, or MCI/Verizon/CapOne. WinTrust is just an improvement over the burbs. The Chicago papers reported that DePaul turned down a rent free deal at the United Center to go in with Rahm Emanuel on the Wintrust property. That's not just dumb, that was stupid. Wintrust's location isn't exactly Penn Quarter or midtown Manhattan, either. Why would fans suddenly want to ride a late night El train and walk five blocks in the cold along Cermak to see games that they never attended at Rosemont in the first place? The fans of the Ray and Joey Meyer era are now in their fifties and beyond, and DePaul never replenished the fan base. Tangentially, this is the problem the Redskins face--younger fans aren't as connected to the team as those that went before them. An entire generation has grown up without experiencing the good times of the Squire and of RFK Stadium shaking to and fro. They have grown tired of the FedEx Field era and aren't coming back even with a winning season. In the meantime, they've become Caps fans instead. What does any of this have to do with winning?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 1, 2019 16:28:29 GMT -5
What does any of this have to do with winning? A winning tradition does a lot of things, but it builds up a certain body of resistance in the fan base so that people don't abandon the team altogether in down years. DePaul has been down for so long that a lot of fans from the 1990's and 2000's have left and will not come back. Maybe enough will fill Wintrust someday but it's getting tougher to sell tickets than it used to be. Granted, it's not as long as Fordham (one NCAA bid since 1971) but it's not like Fordham would fill MSG if they got hot, either.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 1, 2019 16:57:02 GMT -5
Let's not go crazy but I agree that St. John's is not in a good place right now. With the new arena and recent recruiting success & interest, I'm taking DePaul over the next 5 years. "Much rather" might be harsh, but i think there's a better chance DU is good in the short term than SJU (see Mullin, Chris & Queens, Jamaica) What interest are you referring to here? I've been one to defend Mullin but I really can't anymore he's done a terrible job since the end of last season till now however Leiato isn't a prize either...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 17:07:41 GMT -5
With the new arena and recent recruiting success & interest, I'm taking DePaul over the next 5 years. "Much rather" might be harsh, but i think there's a better chance DU is good in the short term than SJU (see Mullin, Chris & Queens, Jamaica) What interest are you referring to here? I've been one to defend Mullin but I really can't anymore he's done a terrible job since the end of last season till now however Leiato isn't a prize either... Recruiting interest. New talent + Shannon & Campbell de-commits. It's impressive that they could be annual doormats and begin attracting talent again. ($$? I can't say.) Leitao hasn't been great since he left the 1st time, but he did have some success at one point & he is getting HS talent now. Give me a talented lineup and either Leitao or Mullin... I want Leitao.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 4, 2019 8:54:44 GMT -5
This article is on point, a lot of blame to go around...
@nychoya94 is there still room on your anti St. John’s bus?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 4, 2019 14:21:09 GMT -5
Good article. It is too easy to simply blame Mullins, although obviously he is a big part of the problem. A successful St. John:s helps lift the whole conference.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2019 14:40:51 GMT -5
This article is on point, a lot of blame to go around... @nychoya94 is there still room on your anti St. John’s bus? Anti? Me? 😎 I'd love for them to be good - full of NYC area talent, carrying along with them a horde of Long Island nudniks making the games at MSG & elsewhere fun. But I'm of the steadfast opinion that nearly everything they've done since about 1998 has been a mess. The current edition - which may end up being the peak of the Mullin era - is just a tepid version of the teams Lavin was trotting out five years ago. If this team had played that BE schedule, they'd be 4-14 and Mullin would rightly be shown the door. As it is, they're probably stuck with him for another year. Now that they've exhausted the goodwill from their greatest alum, what now? When Mullin misses the tourney this year and goes 5-13 next year, you do it the right way and get a good young coach. You suffer through the bumps in the road and you build it back up slowly. They cut Norm off a year too soon. Granted it was a slow build, but Lavin went out and won 21 with Norm's experienced roster. Lavin's a putz, not a program builder - so ultimately you got what you got. Another massive trench after 5 years (after round 1 w/ Jarvis). When that happens again after next year (or maybe even this year, depending on how fast the ship sinks), they'll deserve all the I Told You So's they get. Or maybe they finish strong this year and pull a VCU. But I'm not holding my breath on that one.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 4, 2019 14:47:40 GMT -5
Agreed that St. John's fired Norm Roberts too quickly. He had the program on the right track, but the alumni thought that he could and should have done better. It's been pretty close to a dumpster fire since then, and I'm surprised that Mullin hasn't figured out how to coach college players yet.
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