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Post by MCIGuy on Feb 13, 2018 23:47:20 GMT -5
How come no ones mentioned that we have now win as many BE games as we did last year with 4 games remaining, 3 of them very winnable. If they can get 7 BE wins this year, with a lineup nowhere near as strong as last year's and against a BE that I think is better than last year's then I think it is really hats off to PE and a definite statement about JT3. Plus, win or lose another game, these Hoyas are so much more fun to watch than they last 2 years versions. Last two years? Better go back longer than that.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 13, 2018 23:50:22 GMT -5
So you're why they have the "American" Guinness taps in Ireland. Thank you for those! I’m not exactly sure what you mean by this but you’re welcome lol. Guinness is the best. Especially after a Hoya win. Guinness is meant to drink at room temperature. Americans drink it cold.
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Post by MCIGuy on Feb 13, 2018 23:51:49 GMT -5
The Hoyas have improved so much this past few weeks and yet they have still not put together anything resembling a complete game. Many areas for growth still and with the progress being made no one is going to want to play this team in the Big East tournament come March. Agree. Another baby step, contribution on offensive end by a pg(Dickerson) and limiting their 3pt shooting. They missed a ton of shots but few were without a hand in their face. Just think if they can get Blair and Pickett to have good shooting games together and they limit the to’s to under 10. Even with th limitation many players have this team still has a lot of growth it still can do.”” Thank you. Someone in this thread to night indicated the Hoyas were lucky that Butler didn't make more of their three-pointers. How about gibing the defense by the Hoyas some credit. If the Hoyas have a hand in a player's face and the player misses, the Hoyas are lucky. If the Hoyas have a hand in a player's face and the player makes the three anyway, the Hoyas are playing terrible defense and laving opponents open. There's just no winning with some folks.
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Feb 14, 2018 0:04:14 GMT -5
I’m not exactly sure what you mean by this but you’re welcome lol. Guinness is the best. Especially after a Hoya win. Guinness is meant to drink at room temperature. Americans drink it cold. Ah right. I guess I’m not an authentic Irishman lol.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 14, 2018 0:27:12 GMT -5
Guinness is meant to drink at room temperature. Americans drink it cold. Ah right. I guess I’m not an authentic Irishman lol. I drink it cold as well. Tastes better. Hope you enjoyed the victory beers!
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 14, 2018 0:52:32 GMT -5
Some thoughts: - Dickerson's game was such a surprise that I'm not sure Derrickson's performance is getting enough credit. 27 points on 14 shots with 2 assists and no turnovers is absurd.
- However, it's worth noting that Derrickson didn't score and barely touched the ball after he last scored with 8 minutes left. He wasn't out there the whole time, I think. and he made that devastating pass to Mulmore, but in the midst of all the complaints of problems with late game, I wonder if this isn't the biggest issue.
- Actually, our biggest issue was missed FTs. We were something like 3-8 down the stretch.
- I understand the concern about using clock, but I think a Jamorko Pickett wide open corner three might be one of the best three shots our team can get, so it is hard for me to get too angry with it.
- In many ways, this could seem like a fluke win. Butler shot terribly from 3, we had an absurd game from Derrickson and Dickerson. But I prefer to think of it as a gutsy win when neither of the freshmen had a good game. 2-12, five turnovers, one rebound. Not a great game.
- I can't tell if the team is just playing better or Ewing is adding complexity to the offense or both, but offense looked like it had added wrinkles today. The Derrickson pass to Mulmore was a perfect example. While we have been working all season to create good post up position, we saw multiple times today movement to create opportunities out of the post up. Before, the offense was often static when the ball would get dumped low. That's how you punish a double team, and while Derrickson and Govan haven't made those passes much this year, I also don't think Mulmore and other players have made that cut much before.
- Then again, Butler is terrible at post D.
- It's worth noting that while our offense looks great and our defense looks terrible, that our adjusted O and D is pretty much ranked equally. The reason? The Big East is a much better offensive league this season, with 6 Top 31 offenses in college basketball while sporting only St John's in the Top 45 of defenses (Nova is 48). Just something to keep in mind as we watch our offense clicking and defense failing -- the defense has it harder in the Big East.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 14, 2018 7:28:39 GMT -5
LOL mane!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 14, 2018 7:29:48 GMT -5
This was a great win. I'm not sure what got into Dickerson tonight, but thank goodness it did, as we don't win without his performance. That said, we were quite fortunate that Butler's starters shot 1-16 on three point shots. I also hate to keep harping on this, but I have to note that Wideman (great name for a big) got offensive rebounds with 3:01, 2:03 and :51 left in the game. Down the stretch, he rebounded practically every missed shot. So I ask yet again, why can't we get defensive rebounds with the game on the line? But despite that, we won, so all is good. I agree with the comments about Pickett's early three point shots down the stretch. I attribute this to freshman error. Pickett has come a long way over the last few weeks, I have no doubt that he will learn from this, and fortunately, we won, so all is good. I predicted 3-15 after the DePaul loss, and I'm thrilled to have been proven wrong. The improvement in this team is remarkable. We've gone toe to toe with Creighton, Xavier, Seton Hall, Providence and Butler in our last five games, and that's something I would not have anticipated even a few weeks ago. Jahvon Blair says hello... Juggyyyyyyyyyyy...
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 14, 2018 7:50:16 GMT -5
Unfortunately, Blair is just rushing everything today Juggy just wants to get in on the fun lol...
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 14, 2018 7:51:41 GMT -5
Some thoughts: - Dickerson's game was such a surprise that I'm not sure Derrickson's performance is getting enough credit. 27 points on 14 shots with 2 assists and no turnovers is absurd.
- However, it's worth noting that Derrickson didn't score and barely touched the ball after he last scored with 8 minutes left. He wasn't out there the whole time, I think. and he made that devastating pass to Mulmore, but in the midst of all the complaints of problems with late game, I wonder if this isn't the biggest issue.
- Actually, our biggest issue was missed FTs. We were something like 3-8 down the stretch.
- I understand the concern about using clock, but I think a Jamorko Pickett wide open corner three might be one of the best three shots our team can get, so it is hard for me to get too angry with it.
- In many ways, this could seem like a fluke win. Butler shot terribly from 3, we had an absurd game from Derrickson and Dickerson. But I prefer to think of it as a gutsy win when neither of the freshmen had a good game. 2-12, five turnovers, one rebound. Not a great game.
- I can't tell if the team is just playing better or Ewing is adding complexity to the offense or both, but offense looked like it had added wrinkles today. The Derrickson pass to Mulmore was a perfect example. While we have been working all season to create good post up position, we saw multiple times today movement to create opportunities out of the post up. Before, the offense was often static when the ball would get dumped low. That's how you punish a double team, and while Derrickson and Govan haven't made those passes much this year, I also don't think Mulmore and other players have made that cut much before.
- Then again, Butler is terrible at post D.
- It's worth noting that while our offense looks great and our defense looks terrible, that our adjusted O and D is pretty much ranked equally. The reason? The Big East is a much better offensive league this season, with 6 Top 31 offenses in college basketball while sporting only St John's in the Top 45 of defenses (Nova is 48). Just something to keep in mind as we watch our offense clicking and defense failing -- the defense has it harder in the Big East.
Our other big issue is not recognizing when we are into the bonus or double bonus to keep pounding the ball into our bigs and to attack as well.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 14, 2018 7:56:03 GMT -5
I feel super duper proud to wear my vintage Hoyas jacket today Hoyanation! One love!
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Post by calhoya on Feb 14, 2018 7:57:41 GMT -5
The Hoyas have improved so much this past few weeks and yet they have still not put together anything resembling a complete game. Many areas for growth still and with the progress being made no one is going to want to play this team in the Big East tournament come March. How did the game at Xavier, with the lack of turnovers, domination of the boards and good shooting, at least not resemble a complete game? You measuring this team by the standards of the Golden State Warriors? Fair enough as the Xavier game was as close as it gets, but I think they have a higher ceiling and are capable of more than they showed in that game and starting to get it from Mulmore, Dickerson and hopefully Kaleb and Mosley. I expect them to beat Xavier in DC.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Feb 14, 2018 7:59:46 GMT -5
Some thoughts: [li]I can't tell if the team is just playing better or Ewing is adding complexity to the offense or both, but offense looked like it had added wrinkles today. The Derrickson pass to Mulmore was a perfect example. While we have been working all season to create good post up position, we saw multiple times today movement to create opportunities out of the post up. Before, the offense was often static when the ball would get dumped low. That's how you punish a double team, and while Derrickson and Govan haven't made those passes much this year, I also don't think Mulmore and other players have made that cut much before. [/li] [/quote] The Derrickson pass to Mulmore was my favorite play of the game. It struck me as something that was planned / thought about (in a general way) and not a fluke, which is really exciting and encouraging to see. I actually thought the defense was better last night - at least for the first 30 minutes or so. No?
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Post by vv83 on Feb 14, 2018 10:16:23 GMT -5
Some thoughts: [li]I can't tell if the team is just playing better or Ewing is adding complexity to the offense or both, but offense looked like it had added wrinkles today. The Derrickson pass to Mulmore was a perfect example. While we have been working all season to create good post up position, we saw multiple times today movement to create opportunities out of the post up. Before, the offense was often static when the ball would get dumped low. That's how you punish a double team, and while Derrickson and Govan haven't made those passes much this year, I also don't think Mulmore and other players have made that cut much before. [/li] [/quote] The Derrickson pass to Mulmore was my favorite play of the game. It struck me as something that was planned / thought about (in a general way) and not a fluke, which is really exciting and encouraging to see. I actually thought the defense was better last night - at least for the first 30 minutes or so. No? [/quote] We definitely did a better job of preventing Martin and Baldwin from getting to the rim at will off the dribble. Butler was pretty dedicated to attacking in this way, and they had some success. But in our first Butler game, they got to the rim at will throughout their comeback.
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Post by saxagael on Feb 14, 2018 10:42:05 GMT -5
Some thoughts: [li]I can't tell if the team is just playing better or Ewing is adding complexity to the offense or both, but offense looked like it had added wrinkles today. The Derrickson pass to Mulmore was a perfect example. While we have been working all season to create good post up position, we saw multiple times today movement to create opportunities out of the post up. Before, the offense was often static when the ball would get dumped low. That's how you punish a double team, and while Derrickson and Govan haven't made those passes much this year, I also don't think Mulmore and other players have made that cut much before. [/li] [/quote] The Derrickson pass to Mulmore was my favorite play of the game. It struck me as something that was planned / thought about (in a general way) and not a fluke, which is really exciting and encouraging to see. I actually thought the defense was better last night - at least for the first 30 minutes or so. No? [/quote] One of those times where bringing up Kenner League sort of works as Derrickson has made a lot of great passes in Kenner League similar to this one. He is a solid passer with great hands and really good court awareness for himself and where others are. I really hope to see more of this.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 14, 2018 10:45:45 GMT -5
Some thoughts: [li]I can't tell if the team is just playing better or Ewing is adding complexity to the offense or both, but offense looked like it had added wrinkles today. The Derrickson pass to Mulmore was a perfect example. While we have been working all season to create good post up position, we saw multiple times today movement to create opportunities out of the post up. Before, the offense was often static when the ball would get dumped low. That's how you punish a double team, and while Derrickson and Govan haven't made those passes much this year, I also don't think Mulmore and other players have made that cut much before. [/li] [/quote] The Derrickson pass to Mulmore was my favorite play of the game. It struck me as something that was planned / thought about (in a general way) and not a fluke, which is really exciting and encouraging to see. I actually thought the defense was better last night - at least for the first 30 minutes or so. No? [/quote] Butler's a really good offensive team. I think we had flashes, but we're still really, really erratic at contesting at the rim. Govan is very good with post up players but driving guards get past our bigs very easily. I think we likely looked better because Butler doesn't have electric guard play. But they still scored 1.14 point per possession despite shooting less than 30% from three. I think our defense is a compromise this year: Ewing has them doing some things because this team doesn't have the capability to do all things. So we contest the three, defensive rebound, hedge the pick and roll high ... but we give up some very certain things and basically hope that our opponents can't consistently execute. Ewing's done a good job of getting the players to not foul on plays they are too far out of position to stop anyway. If MD or Govan foul out, we tend to lose, so it makes sense. But yeah, I think the defense has gotten a bit better, but it is still pretty mediocre. I am excited to get Leblanc on campus plus another year for Pickett.
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Post by saxagael on Feb 14, 2018 10:49:33 GMT -5
Guinness is meant to drink at room temperature. Americans drink it cold. Ah right. I guess I’m not an authentic Irishman lol. Most places in the US don't serve Irish Guinness it is imported (as outside Ireland all Guinness is imported, sometimes neighboring countries passing across to each other) and a cooler pint of Guinness takes out some of the harshness. If you can find a place that truly gets its kegs from Ireland it doesn't have that slight bite and it is really creamy and really better at room temperature (53F to 66F) as having it cold loses some the wonderful taste. In DC area The Dubliner near Union Station and Ireland's Four Courts used to have arrangements to get all their Guinness from Ireland (not sure if this is still the case). Also look for places that do slow pours as they do at the Guinness factory.
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Post by TC on Feb 14, 2018 10:49:46 GMT -5
Some thoughts: - Dickerson's game was such a surprise that I'm not sure Derrickson's performance is getting enough credit. 27 points on 14 shots with 2 assists and no turnovers is absurd.
Here's Derrickson's last two games : 11-13 FG, 3-3 3PT, 2-2 FT, 7 R, 2 A, 0 TO 8-12 FG, 3-4 3PT, 3-4 FT, 18 R, 2 A, 0 TO That's like video game cheat code levels. I'm glad we're winning but I don't think expecting Derrickson to go Villanova '85 every night is sustainable.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 14, 2018 11:01:57 GMT -5
Great win against a good Butler team, and to get a win like that away makes it even better. A few thoughts:
- Trey Dickerson had his best game as a Hoya last night. Regardless of whether this is his version of Tre Campbell/Xavier, or he does it again, it'll be something he can always remember fondly. As SFHoya99 astutely pointed out elsewhere, the real value was his 7-8 shooting and 18 points rather than any point guard magic. Despite his limitations for most of the year, Trey seems like a nice kid, he's played better in the last 5 games (except Providence), and he has helped the team, so I am happy for him.
- The offense definitely seems more crisp than during the OOC and beginning of Big East play. As I noted elsewhere, we seem to avoiding the stagnant possessions where Govan/Derrickson get the ball in the post and nothing happens around them as they are double teamed. There's more off-ball movement, and we seem to be keeping the ball in motion more frequently, generating better shots.
- Rough game for Pickett with 5 turnovers. Hopefully this is just a blip and he tightens that up coming down the stretch.
- Kaleb Johnson only played 25 minutes, and was quiet for the most part, but he did a few nice things during the game and had no turnovers.
- Derrickson was fantastic again. He's clearly our best player, and his pass to Mulmore was ridiculous (in a good way!).
- Govan had been struggling up to the Xavier away game, and has done much better since. As I've written before, it seems like the offense has done a better job of getting him good looks, and he's done a better job at making quicker decisions to either shoot before getting double teamed or to pass out of the double team more effectively. I really think this is the key to making Govan an effective player. He's just not strong enough to bully through double teams and score efficiently (in a way that a player like Josh Smith did). In the last 4 games, he's shooting a much improved 58.5% from two.
- Pretty tough game for Blair, but at least he didn't turn it over and got that key rebound and free throws at the end.
Overall, it was a great win. We still need to work on our defense (Butler shot 59.1% from two), breaking the press, and closing out games more strongly, but there was obviously a lot of good in the game last night. Hopefully the team can get some good practice in during the next week, and come out strong against Xavier next week.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Feb 14, 2018 11:15:34 GMT -5
Great, great win. Hung in there. Got a true star performance from one of our stars.
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