TC
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Post by TC on Dec 10, 2017 9:27:16 GMT -5
Now I get it - CasualHoya and his twitter droogies are constantly woofing and trolling him with the "undefeated powerhouse" nonsense - which isn't a good look when you bait a national reporter into slamming your program (reason #2345 why Casual Hoya is killing our program). But there's something more here - Goodman is the guy that came out with the report that we offered Chris Mack $4M which sounds like absolute nonsense in retrospect given that we know the search committee did absolutely nothing. He's the guy with the four anonymous players slamming JT3.
He's essentially out-Thamelling Pete Thamel. What is his deal? Is it just that CasualHoya and Chris Mack are up in his ear so much that he helps them out with their narratives, or is there a Thamel/Feinstein-like grudge here?
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Post by ewingitrust on Dec 10, 2017 9:34:15 GMT -5
They want to shade the program the moment we lose. I hope we keep winning. But he's not the only hoops reporter whose a hoya snark. On the flip side i think he genuinely respects the Hoya Brand and expects us to compete and go toe to toe against the best. Theyre ripping us while we're winning...they'll attempt to rip the program when we lose.
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Post by TC on Dec 10, 2017 9:43:13 GMT -5
They want to shade the program the moment we lose. I hope we keep winning. But he's not the only hoops reporter whose a hoya snark. On the flip side i think he genuinely respects the Hoya Brand and expects us to compete and go toe to toe against the best. Theyre ripping us while we're winning...they'll attempt to rip the program when we lose. We're winning and they're giving the program a bad look by trolling national reporters into spending a lot of time bashing on us - my question is more what the deal is with Goodman. I don't disagree with the content of anything he's said (our schedule is a disgrace, jury is still out but Patrick Ewing probably not the right guy for this job, our search committee was a joke) but I find it weird that a national reporter gives an irrelevant program like we are this much airtime. I can't figure out whether he has something against us, or whether the Casual Hoya movement are just that obnoxious that they can bait a guy into slamming an irrelevant program this much.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Dec 10, 2017 9:48:33 GMT -5
No one really understands why Goodman is so focused on the schedule, but to say Cas is egging him on is a gross oversimplification. All of Hoya Twitter is responding the same way. And he keeps answering — the same answer. You may notice he has picked out Hoya Breakdown for his retweets ( Breakdown is a good follow btw). It will be interesting to see Goodman’s response as the season progresses. Or maybe he won’t stop talking about the schedule.
You should be proud of some of the responses:
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TC
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Post by TC on Dec 10, 2017 9:58:18 GMT -5
No one really understands why Goodman is so focused on the schedule, but to say Cas is egging him on is a gross oversimplification. All of Hoya Twitter is responding the same way You completely misunderstand me. I understand why Goodman is focused on the schedule - it sucks and we're a paper tiger. What I don't get is he's at the Duke/BC upset game yesterday and spent more time tweetbashing our program than tweeting about that game. Is it that our fans are that obnoxious? Or does he not like us?
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 10, 2017 10:13:37 GMT -5
They want to shade the program the moment we lose. I hope we keep winning. But he's not the only hoops reporter whose a hoya snark. On the flip side i think he genuinely respects the Hoya Brand and expects us to compete and go toe to toe against the best. Theyre ripping us while we're winning...they'll attempt to rip the program when we lose. We're winning and they're giving the program a bad look by trolling national reporters into spending a lot of time bashing on us - my question is more what the deal is with Goodman. I don't disagree with the content of anything he's said (our schedule is a disgrace, jury is still out but Patrick Ewing probably not the right guy for this job, our search committee was a joke) but I find it weird that a national reporter gives an irrelevant program like we are this much airtime. I can't figure out whether he has something against us, or whether the Casual Hoya movement are just that obnoxious that they can bait a guy into slamming an irrelevant program this much. It takes very little time/effort to send or reply to a tweet..
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Post by hoya95 on Dec 10, 2017 10:35:47 GMT -5
Twitter brings out the worst in so many people. Or maybe it just reveals who they are. I've lost count of the number of sports reporters I stopped following because it turned out they were unbearable egomaniacs.
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Post by Elvado on Dec 10, 2017 11:01:13 GMT -5
Jeff Goodman is basing his opinion on the many years he has spent constructing a schedule, running a program, and playing in and winning big games, I presume...
Another empty barrel making a lot of noise...
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 10, 2017 13:43:32 GMT -5
No one really understands why Goodman is so focused on the schedule, but to say Cas is egging him on is a gross oversimplification. All of Hoya Twitter is responding the same way You completely misunderstand me. I understand why Goodman is focused on the schedule - it sucks and we're a paper tiger. What I don't get is he's at the Duke/BC upset game yesterday and spent more time tweetbashing our program than tweeting about that game. Is it that our fans are that obnoxious? Or does he not like us? Neither.
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Post by EasyEd on Dec 10, 2017 14:11:54 GMT -5
Ignore. Let the little boy play in his sandbox.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 10, 2017 14:42:23 GMT -5
Ignore. Let the little boy play in his sandbox. As is often the case, Ed nailed it. Goodman got y'all to pay attention to him which is, of course, the overall point. He could tweet the same blather about any of Jim Boewhine's nonconference schedules the past 30 years, but nobody would pay attention to that. This strategy may backfire on him though: he used to have pretty good access to the coach and this won't help re-establish that. In fact, perhaps that may be the real issue.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Dec 10, 2017 15:14:57 GMT -5
Ignore. Let the little boy play in his sandbox. As is often the case, Ed nailed it. Goodman got y'all to pay attention to him which is, of course, the overall point. He could tweet the same blather about any of Jim Boewhine's nonconference schedules the past 30 years, but nobody would pay attention to that. This strategy may backfire on him though: he used to have pretty good access to the coach and this won't help re-establish that. In fact, perhaps that may be the real issue. Right. The grapevine tale is that we started giving him the cold shoulder because of A) the article with the anonymous players slamming JTIII and B) his (presumably made up, or at the very least very thinly sourced) report that we offered Chris Mack $4 million/year, the primary motivation for which was to help his buddy Chris Mack extort more money out of Xavier. Since he's not an honest broker, we will no longer treat him as such, and this is his response.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 10, 2017 15:46:31 GMT -5
As is often the case, Ed nailed it. Goodman got y'all to pay attention to him which is, of course, the overall point. He could tweet the same blather about any of Jim Boewhine's nonconference schedules the past 30 years, but nobody would pay attention to that. This strategy may backfire on him though: he used to have pretty good access to the coach and this won't help re-establish that. In fact, perhaps that may be the real issue. Right. The grapevine tale is that we started giving him the cold shoulder because of A) the article with the anonymous players slamming JTIII and B) his (presumably made up, or at the very least very thinly sourced) report that we offered Chris Mack $4 million/year, the primary motivation for which was to help his buddy Chris Mack extort more money out of Xavier. Since he's not an honest broker, we will no longer treat him as such, and this is his response. But who does this hurt more though, Goodman or Gtown? Why aren't folks this upset with the coverage given by the Washington Post? Ava Wallace or Gene Wang start every post game article with a snarky mention of the schedule..
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Post by RusskyHoya on Dec 10, 2017 16:00:30 GMT -5
Right. The grapevine tale is that we started giving him the cold shoulder because of A) the article with the anonymous players slamming JTIII and B) his (presumably made up, or at the very least very thinly sourced) report that we offered Chris Mack $4 million/year, the primary motivation for which was to help his buddy Chris Mack extort more money out of Xavier. Since he's not an honest broker, we will no longer treat him as such, and this is his response. But who does this hurt more though, Goodman or Gtown? Why aren't folks this upset with the coverage given by the Washington Post? Ava Wallace or Gene Wang start every post game article with a snarky mention of the schedule.. Because Ava Wallance and Gene Wang aren't shilling for their personal friend, a rival in-conference coach?
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 10, 2017 16:55:48 GMT -5
But who does this hurt more though, Goodman or Gtown? Why aren't folks this upset with the coverage given by the Washington Post? Ava Wallace or Gene Wang start every post game article with a snarky mention of the schedule.. Because Ava Wallance and Gene Wang aren't shilling for their personal friend, a rival in-conference coach? Be real Russky, where was all this Goodman shilling for Mack against Gtown prior to JT3 being fired?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 16:58:56 GMT -5
They're not over the top with it like Goodman is.
He also had a lot to say about III being on the integrity commission. Borderline implying he was dirty. Criticism is fair but he appears to go out of his way to shade Georgetown imo
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 10, 2017 17:13:03 GMT -5
They're not over the top with it like Goodman is. He also had a lot to say about III being on the integrity commission. Borderline implying he was dirty. Criticism is fair but he appears to go out of his way to shade Georgetown imo True, but I'd bet most Hoya fans don't follow Goodman on twitter or care what he has to say.. I'd also bet most Hoya fans do read the Post articles after games, they're always posted on the board.. Their articles help to shape the local narrative about this season & the program imo.. To me headlines that read like the ones below are over the top.. " Georgetown cupcake: Hoyas keep running past the also-rans, rout Maine" or " Georgetown slowly pulls away from Coppin State, its latest overmatched opponent" or " Georgetown makes way through cupcake line, eases past Howard"
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Post by jld54 on Dec 10, 2017 17:31:04 GMT -5
They're not over the top with it like Goodman is. He also had a lot to say about III being on the integrity commission. Borderline implying he was dirty. Criticism is fair but he appears to go out of his way to shade Georgetown imo True, but I'd bet most Hoya fans don't follow Goodman on twitter or care what he has to say.. I'd also bet most Hoya fans do read the Post articles after games, they're always posted on the board.. Their articles help to shape the local narrative about this season & the program imo.. To me headlines that read like the ones below are over the top.. " Georgetown cupcake: Hoyas keep running past the also-rans, rout Maine" or " Georgetown slowly pulls away from Coppin State, its latest overmatched opponent" or " Georgetown makes way through cupcake line, eases past Howard" More Fake News and snark. Sad!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 17:36:56 GMT -5
They're not over the top with it like Goodman is. He also had a lot to say about III being on the integrity commission. Borderline implying he was dirty. Criticism is fair but he appears to go out of his way to shade Georgetown imo True, but I'd bet most Hoya fans don't follow Goodman on twitter or care what he has to say.. I'd also bet most Hoya fans do read the Post articles after games, they're always posted on the board.. Their articles help to shape the local narrative about this season & the program imo.. To me headlines that read like the ones below are over the top.. " Georgetown cupcake: Hoyas keep running past the also-rans, rout Maine" or " Georgetown slowly pulls away from Coppin State, its latest overmatched opponent" or " Georgetown makes way through cupcake line, eases past Howard" Can't speak for most fans but personally I don't see anything wrong with those headlines. Goodman's comments seem more personal and it really looks like he goes out of his way to say something negative. Maybe it didn't start that way, maybe he's reacting to things people have said back to him, but it certainly looks personal at this point from my pov.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 10, 2017 17:44:09 GMT -5
I am not sure I can answer TC's original question, but keep in mind we are dealing with sports journalists here. Sure, some are good, but most of them aren't, and so I wouldn't worry about what any single one says generally speaking (not saying Goodman in particular is bad - he may be great usually - I haven't read enough of his stuff to know). It does seem a little bit odd that Goodman has gone so far out of his way to continually comment on us, especially given than we are only one of many teams he should be covering. If he's a fan of the team (is he?), maybe then I could understand it. Otherwise, not really.
As far as the schedule is concerned, though, even the Fox Sports 1 or Fox Sports 2 announcers have commented on it, and while most of them try to sugar coat it a bit, you can often tell that they are trying to put a positive spin on it. Really, the only people who haven't criticized the schedule are Ewing himself (who has defended it) and a very small handful of posters on HoyaTalk - and even that amount is very low. Thus, I think it's fair for Goodman to keep coming back to it - it certainly hasn't prevented us from doing so on HoyaTalk, and Casual likely won't give up on it anytime soon.
Here is part of the problem: Goodman might know more about our team than average, but most don't. That's why every time we have a game, the announcers (no matter who they are) tend to repeat the same thing ad nauseum - they use talking points. This happens every season, and this year most of the talking points focus on Ewing, and one of them is the schedule. We may hear less about it once we start the Big East, but I wouldn't be shocked if it comes up nearly every game for a while.
It will be even worse if we go 10-1 or 11-0, and then bomb in the Big East. That will give everybody yet another reason to point out the disparity between the OOC and conference schedule.
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