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Post by guru on Dec 10, 2017 17:48:34 GMT -5
They want to shade the program the moment we lose. I hope we keep winning. But he's not the only hoops reporter whose a hoya snark. On the flip side i think he genuinely respects the Hoya Brand and expects us to compete and go toe to toe against the best. Theyre ripping us while we're winning...they'll attempt to rip the program when we lose. We're winning and they're giving the program a bad look by trolling national reporters into spending a lot of time bashing on us - my question is more what the deal is with Goodman. I don't disagree with the content of anything he's said (our schedule is a disgrace, jury is still out but Patrick Ewing probably not the right guy for this job, our search committee was a joke) but I find it weird that a national reporter gives an irrelevant program like we are this much airtime. I can't figure out whether he has something against us, or whether the Casual Hoya movement are just that obnoxious that they can bait a guy into slamming an irrelevant program this much. You give casual hoya way too much credit. How about just ignoring the site if it bothers you that much? Oh and Goodman for that matter.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 10, 2017 19:23:12 GMT -5
If we win against Syracuse, will they stop making fun of our schedule or will they have to include Syracuse in the list of Georgetown cupcakes?
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Post by BeantownHoya on Dec 10, 2017 21:06:52 GMT -5
He does have some type of agenda or vendetta though...he tweeted earlier today about Az St impressive win over Kansas and then for some bizarre reason had to compare their schedule to Gtown's for literally no reason...
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Post by RusskyHoya on Dec 10, 2017 21:46:11 GMT -5
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Post by TC on Dec 10, 2017 22:26:20 GMT -5
You give casual hoya way too much credit. How about just ignoring the site if it bothers you that much? Oh and Goodman for that matter. I don't know how it's possible after 2016, but you wildly underestimate the scope and influence of social media. I'd ignore it, but it's a little hard to ignore that we lost Tremont Waters, who would have made our program competitive this year (barely missed a triple double in his last game - 20 points, 9 rebounds, 10 assists).
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 10, 2017 22:43:18 GMT -5
Russky, I never said he wasn't Mack's hype man.. Honestly seeing that Mack has 3 sweet 16's and an elite 8 on his resume @ Xavier, I doubt he even needs any outside help.. I asked you 2 questions in this thread both of which you've failed to answer so I'll try again.. Who does Gtown shutting Goodman out hurt more Gtown or Goodman? Where was all this Goodman shilling for Mack to hurt Gtown prior to JT3 being fired?
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 10, 2017 22:57:05 GMT -5
True, but I'd bet most Hoya fans don't follow Goodman on twitter or care what he has to say.. I'd also bet most Hoya fans do read the Post articles after games, they're always posted on the board.. Their articles help to shape the local narrative about this season & the program imo.. To me headlines that read like the ones below are over the top.. " Georgetown cupcake: Hoyas keep running past the also-rans, rout Maine" or " Georgetown slowly pulls away from Coppin State, its latest overmatched opponent" or " Georgetown makes way through cupcake line, eases past Howard" Can't speak for most fans but personally I don't see anything wrong with those headlines. Goodman's comments seem more personal and it really looks like he goes out of his way to say something negative. Maybe it didn't start that way, maybe he's reacting to things people have said back to him, but it certainly looks personal at this point from my pov. Fair enough, I can agree to disagree on which affects Gtown more..
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 11, 2017 8:41:56 GMT -5
Russky, I never said he wasn't Mack's hype man.. Honestly seeing that Mack has 3 sweet 16's and an elite 8 on his resume @ Xavier, I doubt he even needs any outside help.. I asked you 2 questions in this thread both of which you've failed to answer so I'll try again.. Who does Gtown shutting Goodman out hurt more Gtown or Goodman? Where was all this Goodman shilling for Mack to hurt Gtown prior to JT3 being fired? I'll answer. 1) I don't think it hurts either side. Doesn't hurt him, but it doesn't hurt us either. 2) He's always been a shill for Mack it only came up when JT3 was fired, because that's his shtick. A good job opens and he claims his boy is a candidate or was offered the job, whether or not it's true. It didn't come up before because it didn't affect us before.
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Post by bigskyhoya on Dec 11, 2017 8:47:06 GMT -5
They want to shade the program the moment we lose. I hope we keep winning. But he's not the only hoops reporter whose a hoya snark. On the flip side i think he genuinely respects the Hoya Brand and expects us to compete and go toe to toe against the best. Theyre ripping us while we're winning...they'll attempt to rip the program when we lose. We're winning and they're giving the program a bad look by trolling national reporters into spending a lot of time bashing on us - my question is more what the deal is with Goodman. I don't disagree with the content of anything he's said (our schedule is a disgrace, jury is still out but Patrick Ewing probably not the right guy for this job, our search committee was a joke) but I find it weird that a national reporter gives an irrelevant program like we are this much airtime. I can't figure out whether he has something against us, or whether the Casual Hoya movement are just that obnoxious that they can bait a guy into slamming an irrelevant program this much. I guess our eight game cupcake schedule was not meaningless after all. It was apparently enough for you to determine that Ewing is"probably not the right guy for this job."
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Post by TC on Dec 11, 2017 9:21:56 GMT -5
I'd also bet most Hoya fans do read the Post articles after games, they're always posted on the board.. Their articles help to shape the local narrative about this season & the program imo.. To me headlines that read like the ones below are over the top.. " Georgetown cupcake: Hoyas keep running past the also-rans, rout Maine" or " Georgetown slowly pulls away from Coppin State, its latest overmatched opponent" or " Georgetown makes way through cupcake line, eases past Howard" I kinda agree with etomic. Here's the headline on Maryland playing UMES : "Terps hammer Maryland Eastern Shore as Mark Turgeon tests his depth" I know newspaper headlines have to be clickbait now, and they are A/B tested to see what gathers the most clicks, but I looked back and our St. Leo games never had headlines like this, even if Aldridge or Wilbon savaged us in the article itself for playing a D2 school.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Dec 11, 2017 12:12:47 GMT -5
Russky, I never said he wasn't Mack's hype man.. Honestly seeing that Mack has 3 sweet 16's and an elite 8 on his resume @ Xavier, I doubt he even needs any outside help.. I asked you 2 questions in this thread both of which you've failed to answer so I'll try again.. Who does Gtown shutting Goodman out hurt more Gtown or Goodman? Where was all this Goodman shilling for Mack to hurt Gtown prior to JT3 being fired? I'll answer. 1) I don't think it hurts either side. Doesn't hurt him, but it doesn't hurt us either. 2) He's always been a shill for Mack it only came up when JT3 was fired, because that's his shtick. A good job opens and he claims his boy is a candidate or was offered the job, whether or not it's true. It didn't come up before because it didn't affect us before. I agree with my friend HoyaSinceBirth on this here. This is a minor piece of static in a much bigger spectrum, no one should really get too worked up over it. Goodman knows how the game is played, and he's going to play it inside the lines. So will Georgetown. Goodman doesn't really have anything against Georgetown per se as far as I know- and I'm sure he's aware that the Big East is still very much in a position where more high-visibility and high-performing teams is crucial to the conference avoiding mid-majordom, WAC-style. As you saw from some of the pieced I linked to, he's used other schools' coaching searches to Mack's advantage before. He just got called on it this time.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 11, 2017 12:20:56 GMT -5
I know newspaper headlines have to be clickbait now, and they are A/B tested to see what gathers the most clicks, but I looked back and our St. Leo games never had headlines like this, even if Aldridge or Wilbon savaged us in the article itself for playing a D2 school. People are way more conscious of schedule and strength of schedule now than back in the day when we played St. Leo's. The last time Georgetown scheduled a non-Division 1 opponent was 2002. Part of the reason has been the recognition that schedule matters. While it's true Division II/III teams don't impact RPI or Strength of Schedule, they are generally frowned on hugely now - I don't think that was as true years ago when things like RPI and SoS were less considered. (Note: We did play Division II Chaminade in Maui after losing to Kansas in 2012, but that wasn't "scheduled" - every year that happens in Maui, which is otherwise a great tournament.)
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 11, 2017 12:56:11 GMT -5
I know newspaper headlines have to be clickbait now, and they are A/B tested to see what gathers the most clicks, but I looked back and our St. Leo games never had headlines like this, even if Aldridge or Wilbon savaged us in the article itself for playing a D2 school. People are way more conscious of schedule and strength of schedule now than back in the day when we played St. Leo's. The last time Georgetown scheduled a non-Division 1 opponent was 2002. Part of the reason has been the recognition that schedule matters. While it's true Division II/III teams don't impact RPI or Strength of Schedule, they are generally frowned on hugely now - I don't think that was as true years ago when things like RPI and SoS were less considered. (Note: We did play Division II Chaminade in Maui after losing to Kansas in 2012, but that wasn't "scheduled" - every year that happens in Maui, which is otherwise a great tournament.) Even an Army team Fort Hood. soooo...
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Post by TC on Dec 11, 2017 13:14:08 GMT -5
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Post by TC on Dec 11, 2017 13:40:11 GMT -5
I know newspaper headlines have to be clickbait now, and they are A/B tested to see what gathers the most clicks, but I looked back and our St. Leo games never had headlines like this, even if Aldridge or Wilbon savaged us in the article itself for playing a D2 school. People are way more conscious of schedule and strength of schedule now than back in the day when we played St. Leo's. The last time Georgetown scheduled a non-Division 1 opponent was 2002. Part of the reason has been the recognition that schedule matters. While it's true Division II/III teams don't impact RPI or Strength of Schedule, they are generally frowned on hugely now - I don't think that was as true years ago when things like RPI and SoS were less considered. I think you're off wildly here - playing a D2 team and a cupcake schedule in 1990 got you mocked on SportsCenter. Playing a poor schedule in 1990 didn't yet have a real tournament seeding consequence. I still think Etomic has a point - I'm just going to put this back to back without comment : after UMD / UMES : Nov 12 : "Terps hammer Maryland Eastern Shore as Mark Turgeon tests his depth"after Georgetown / UMES : Nov 18 : "Georgetown basketball is 3-0, but the wins mean less than the experience"
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 11, 2017 14:36:05 GMT -5
Goodman clearly has an agenda. I can only hope that this will come around to bite him in the ass one day. Karma is a bitch.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 11, 2017 15:10:45 GMT -5
An aside about headlines: at newspapers (I know, what the heck are those) they are almost never written by the piece's author. A copy or layout editor or an intern comes up with those. I don't know why anyone here is surprised that the Washington Post Sports section is taking shots at Georgetown. I can't remember that ever happening.
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Post by lastmanstandig on Dec 11, 2017 20:13:28 GMT -5
Ignore. Let the little boy play in his sandbox. As is often the case, Ed nailed it. Goodman got y'all to pay attention to him which is, of course, the overall point. He could tweet the same blather about any of Jim Boewhine's nonconference schedules the past 30 years, but nobody would pay attention to that. This strategy may backfire on him though: he used to have pretty good access to the coach and this won't help re-establish that. In fact, perhaps that may be the real issue. My take when I see reporters attacking a program/coach/player is that it's often a sign of limited to no access. If there's no bridge, no issue burning it. Just a thought.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 12, 2017 0:00:13 GMT -5
Russky, I never said he wasn't Mack's hype man.. Honestly seeing that Mack has 3 sweet 16's and an elite 8 on his resume @ Xavier, I doubt he even needs any outside help.. I asked you 2 questions in this thread both of which you've failed to answer so I'll try again.. Who does Gtown shutting Goodman out hurt more Gtown or Goodman? Where was all this Goodman shilling for Mack to hurt Gtown prior to JT3 being fired? I'll answer. 1) I don't think it hurts either side. Doesn't hurt him, but it doesn't hurt us either. 2) He's always been a shill for Mack it only came up when JT3 was fired, because that's his shtick. A good job opens and he claims his boy is a candidate or was offered the job, whether or not it's true. It didn't come up before because it didn't affect us before. I disagree on the 1st point, whatever this is with Goodman & Gtown it's worse for Gtown.. It's in a much, much more of an annoying way(like a gnat buzzing in your ear)than truly hurtful to Gtown but the bottom line is Goodman taking potshots at Gtown on a subject that a solid argument can't be made for hurts the program imo.. As for the 2nd part Gtown was mad about the article Goodman wrote that quoted anonymous sources, to me you can't get mad at a reporter for reporting on a hot story, it's just business..
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 12, 2017 0:07:07 GMT -5
It's not just Goodman. You know it's bad when KenPom starts piling on. He definitely doesn't have an axe to grind and is just telling it like it is.
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