calhoya
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Post by calhoya on Nov 25, 2017 21:12:56 GMT -5
The team makes careless turnovers, has cold shooting streaks, defensive lapses, and gets beaten on the boards. I know that sounds familiar but the significant difference is that this team is supposed to struggle, unlike the past two seasons when expectations were much higher and frustrations much greater. The other difference is the confidence these players showed in a tight game on a hostile court against a underdog that was playing better than it had all year. They will lose and this team is going to be beaten badly by some but I will be surprised if they are not significantly better by year end regardless of their record.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 25, 2017 21:16:42 GMT -5
Wow, I missed all of that last year. Work got incredibly busy right around the time the team started to stink more than usual, so it was easy to pay less attention. It does confirm that what we saw on the court was not the best version of what III was trying to do--though I suppose that was obvious from the results. Anyway, back to this team. Definitely a lot of weaknesses, but one thing I like to see is that our guys at least look confident taking a shot. Some of the drives might be reckless. Some of the shots might be quick. But I'll take some of that any day, rather than possession after possession of pass-pass-dribble sideways-pass-dribble-spin-pass-throw ball out of bounds. Make a shot or miss a shot, but at least do it assertively. I can't tell if I miss Pryor on this team, or if I'm happier to let some of the younger guys develop. They definitely have room to improve, but I like Pickett a lot long term (even if he makes some freshman mistakes now). Blair didn't do much tonight, but he has shown flashes. Not a freshman, but Johnson finally seems like he might make the jump. But I think Pryor could have done serious damage in the looser, more aggressive Ewing offense. I've been curious about this also so I went back to look. I'm pretty sure the quote that professor keeps referring to is this one.. Huskerpower doesn't mention that Akoy said anything about his former teammates.. Correct me if I'm wrong Professor.. Glad to see people are starting to buy-in on my boy Akoy. Given the opportunity I knew he could and would prove himself. A player needs game action to prove himself and he is starting to get that chance. Sometimes players run into situations where match-ups are not good but he gets that. Was able to take Akoy out for dinner and spend the afternoon with him in Indy a couple weeks ago for the Butler game. He may not always be on his game and make mistakes but you will NEVER see a lack of work ethic. Something I think other members on this team need to realize. At some point in time I'm sure his offensive production will surge but he also understands that the team doesn't need that from him.hoyatalk2.proboards.com/thread/30077/akoyYeah, that was the quote. It vsn be inferred from that quote about work ethic that there weee members on that team that didn't have a good work ethic. How else would HuskerPower have known that there were certain members in the team with poor work ethic if Akoy hadn't told him. When I read that I knew that team was doomed and it was disappointing since that was still maybe at the midpoint of big east play.
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Hoyaholic
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Post by Hoyaholic on Nov 25, 2017 21:24:45 GMT -5
In 13 years our previous coach never lost to anyone remotely as bad as this Richmond team. Try again. Now, that is certainly not true. Off the top of my head, we lost to NorthEastern 4 years ago. I'd even say last year's DePaul's team is worse than the team we just played. Fair enough, Northeastern was 219 that year. We'll see where Richmond winds up this year. But that team also came right back and crushed a good K-State team and then beat a top 10 VCU team. We won't get the chance to learn if this team has the same fortitude.
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Post by swhoya on Nov 25, 2017 21:25:36 GMT -5
I dont care what it takes (I mean it). Get this teama quick PG that can stay in front of the other teams PG next season. It's not McClung. This team is doomed for failure until it happens. Tremont Waters. But you guys scared him away. Seriously just stop. Is there anyone here who doesn’t know your thoughts on the matter? Some of who weren’t able to watch come here to read from fans about what happened through the course of the game. Rehashing something that happened basically a year ago and can’t be changed—and which has been discussed 652 times on this board—just gets old. It adds ZERO to the present discussion.
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Post by Hoyaholic on Nov 25, 2017 21:27:25 GMT -5
Tremont Waters. But you guys scared him away. Seriously just stop. Is there anyone here who doesn’t know your thoughts on the matter? Some of who weren’t able to watch come here to read from fans about what happened through the course of the game. Rehashing something that happened basically a year ago and can’t be changed—and which has been discussed 652 times on this board—just gets old. It adds ZERO to the present discussion. I agree, we should talk more about our glaring lack of a point guard. Oh, wait...
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 25, 2017 21:30:12 GMT -5
Shuts up the anti Ewing/Thompson crowd. But expect the Richmond is horrible excuse to come up now. Being critical of the hire (which I was) or of the schedule (which I most certainly am) does not make one anti-Ewing. Hell, if you are on this thread you probably watched this game on an unknown website instead of watching the Iron Bowl. But, yes, Richmond is horrible, and a squeaker win against them is not something to be enthusiastic about. Contrast to last year, when we got clowned by an OK St team with a brand new coach running a brand new system, with probably less talent we have now (on paper at least). That team had the attitude I was hoping we would have this year, instead we look every bit as soft as any JTIII team. Given Ewing's history, the one characteristic I thought I would see in this team is intensity. Not today, not at all. I guess we will learn a lot against Syracuse. We will learn nothing until then other than how well this team scrimmages. Well this POST certainly makes you anti-Ewing.
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Post by sleepy on Nov 25, 2017 21:30:55 GMT -5
Now, that is certainly not true. Off the top of my head, we lost to NorthEastern 4 years ago. I'd even say last year's DePaul's team is worse than the team we just played. Fair enough, Northeastern was 219 that year. We'll see where Richmond winds up this year. But that team also came right back and crushed a good K-State team and then beat a top 10 VCU team. We won't get the chance to learn if this team has the same fortitude. Ha. We won't be able to see if they have that fortitude because they won today, not lost. If beating bad teams prevents us from testing "fortitude", I think that's a trade off I can live with. And that 2013-2014 team had GREAT fortitude. We lost to DePaul in the first round of the BET that year.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 21:32:57 GMT -5
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swhoya
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Post by swhoya on Nov 25, 2017 21:34:35 GMT -5
Seriously just stop. Is there anyone here who doesn’t know your thoughts on the matter? Some of who weren’t able to watch come here to read from fans about what happened through the course of the game. Rehashing something that happened basically a year ago and can’t be changed—and which has been discussed 652 times on this board—just gets old. It adds ZERO to the present discussion. I agree, we should talk more about our glaring lack of a point guard. Oh, wait... Fine. Talk about still needing a PG. Does it have to be wrapped in the same old “I told you so” and anything to do with Waters? No. It doesn’t. And frankly it comes across as less about analysis of the current team and more like a pathological need to be acknowledged as being right. Wait a minute...Donald T.?!?
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Hoyas4Ever
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Nov 25, 2017 21:38:52 GMT -5
We are competing. Ball is moving and play is uptempo. It takes time and competition to develop. Nothing disappointing thus far. Nothing disappointing about being down to a team that was losing by 30 at the half to Cincinatti? Or that lost by 33 to Jacksonville State? Even if we win, this is already a loss. This is just dumb!!! Last time I checked there was no transitive property in college basketball...
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Nov 25, 2017 22:10:35 GMT -5
At least 3rd game with five guys in double figures and not the same ones each time. We may not be good but I like the balance.
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Post by dchoya72 on Nov 25, 2017 22:20:16 GMT -5
"Good, Better, Best never let it rest til your good is better, and your better is BEST"
Sometimes its a real drag being on this board due to some posters who are not Hoya fans. They think they know everything,certainly more than the coaches. They nit pick and are totally negative.
I do wish the team had a radio talk show to hear from the coaches and players. I do appreciate what many have to say and the insights provided.
For all the negative crap we were hearing before the season started. Its clear the coaches can coach. The style of play is better, and we have some good players, but it will take time to develop chemistry. We Will get higher ranked players. But those we have are playing well.
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Post by tashoya on Nov 25, 2017 22:29:11 GMT -5
At least 3rd game with five guys in double figures and not the same ones each time. We may not be good but I like the balance. Agreed. Especially considering that some were worried (myself included) about where the offense would be coming from with this group. For me, I thought Jessie and Marcus would carry a good part of that load. I'm less sure of that with what I've seen so far but it's encouraging to see so many other guys contributing. It's still really tough to say what this team will look like in January but there are certainly some early bright spots that may be cause for hope for the future of this group. I've already started to look for a decent pic of Pickett for my avatar. The difference in this round of picking a new photo is there isn't a clear guy I wanna choose. LJ was a no-brainer for me. I really like a lot of the guys we have now.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Nov 25, 2017 22:34:25 GMT -5
At least 3rd game with five guys in double figures and not the same ones each time. We may not be good but I like the balance. Agreed. Especially considering that some were worried (myself included) about where the offense would be coming from with this group. For me, I thought Jessie and Marcus would carry a good part of that load. I'm less sure of that with what I've seen so far but it's encouraging to see so many other guys contributing. It's still really tough to say what this team will look like in January but there are certainly some early bright spots that may be cause for hope for the future of this group. I've already started to look for a decent pic of Pickett for my avatar. The difference in this round of picking a new photo is there isn't a clear guy I wanna choose. LJ was a no-brainer for me. I really like a lot of the guys we have now. One thing I can't believe is how little we're talking about Mulmore. He was a ZERO against all levels of competition last year and has stepped up immensely when we needed him. Hope he continues to gain confidence as we head into the conference.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Nov 25, 2017 22:36:23 GMT -5
In 13 years our previous coach never lost to anyone remotely as bad as this Richmond team. Try again. Now, that is certainly not true. Off the top of my head, we lost to NorthEastern 4 years ago. I'd even say last year's DePaul's team is worse than the team we just played. Radford, UNC Asheville...
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Nov 25, 2017 23:04:13 GMT -5
Agreed. Especially considering that some were worried (myself included) about where the offense would be coming from with this group. For me, I thought Jessie and Marcus would carry a good part of that load. I'm less sure of that with what I've seen so far but it's encouraging to see so many other guys contributing. It's still really tough to say what this team will look like in January but there are certainly some early bright spots that may be cause for hope for the future of this group. I've already started to look for a decent pic of Pickett for my avatar. The difference in this round of picking a new photo is there isn't a clear guy I wanna choose. LJ was a no-brainer for me. I really like a lot of the guys we have now. One thing I can't believe is how little we're talking about Mulmore. He was a ZERO against all levels of competition last year and has stepped up immensely when we needed him. Hope he continues to gain confidence as we head into the conference. Mulmore was never a fit for JT3's offense and style of play. That's why I was so sure that JT3 was really making significant offensive changes to his style as was heavily rumored when Mulmore committed to Georgetown. I wouldn't exactly say "he was a zero against all levels of competition last year". He played pretty well at Syracuse with I believe 8 points & 8 assists including the game clinching 3 pointer. He also had shown some signs at different times during last season but could never develop consistency as it seemed as if he was being choked and unsure of himself in JT3's offense and style of play in the same way Kaleb Johnson looked last season. Ewing seems to have given a lot freedom and shown tremendous confidence to his players while at the same time pulling them back when they make dumb decisions like the one Dickerson made tonight that got him right back on the bench.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Nov 25, 2017 23:22:30 GMT -5
One thing I can't believe is how little we're talking about Mulmore. He was a ZERO against all levels of competition last year and has stepped up immensely when we needed him. Hope he continues to gain confidence as we head into the conference. Mulmore was never a fit for JT3's offense and style of play. That's why I was so sure that JT3 was really making significant offensive changes to his style as was heavily rumored when Mulmore committed to Georgetown. I wouldn't exactly say "he was a zero against all levels of competition last year". He played pretty well at Syracuse with I believe 8 points & 8 assists including the game clinching 3 pointer. He also had shown some signs at different times during last season but could never develop consistency as it seemed as if he was being choked and unsure of himself in JT3's offense and style of play in the same way Kaleb Johnson looked last season. Ewing seems to have given a lot freedom and shown tremendous confidence to his players while at the same time pulling them back when they make dumb decisions like the one Dickerson made tonight that got him right back on the bench. Oh I agree. I mean he's not a zero. That's the thing that was frustrating last year. He was constantly bogged down. To see how positively he has reacted to the trust and freedom is encouraging.
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Post by tashoya on Nov 25, 2017 23:32:41 GMT -5
Mulmore was never a fit for JT3's offense and style of play. That's why I was so sure that JT3 was really making significant offensive changes to his style as was heavily rumored when Mulmore committed to Georgetown. I wouldn't exactly say "he was a zero against all levels of competition last year". He played pretty well at Syracuse with I believe 8 points & 8 assists including the game clinching 3 pointer. He also had shown some signs at different times during last season but could never develop consistency as it seemed as if he was being choked and unsure of himself in JT3's offense and style of play in the same way Kaleb Johnson looked last season. Ewing seems to have given a lot freedom and shown tremendous confidence to his players while at the same time pulling them back when they make dumb decisions like the one Dickerson made tonight that got him right back on the bench. Oh I agree. I mean he's not a zero. That's the thing that was frustrating last year. He was constantly bogged down. To see how positively he has reacted to the trust and freedom is encouraging. Excellent points by both of you, IMO. Mulmore hasn't looked like a different guy. Just a much more comfortable, confident version of what we saw flashes of last season. In a similar way, I think we're going to see (and have seen a bit) a much better version of Jagan. I think he's going to get better in transition and that his teammates will start looking for passes from him that they haven't been accustomed to looking for prior to this year. He's going to force guys to get up the floor with his passing as Mulmore is going to do with his feet.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 25, 2017 23:42:07 GMT -5
In 13 years our previous coach never lost to anyone remotely as bad as this Richmond team. Try again. Now, that is certainly not true. Off the top of my head, we lost to NorthEastern 4 years ago. I'd even say last year's DePaul's team is worse than the team we just played. The only two teams JT3 lost to that were worse than Richmond, as they are ranked today, were Northeastern and Radford. That's it. That UNC Asheville team was ranked 131 at the end of the season - a good bit higher than Richmond for now. I realize I am repeating myself, but some people don't seem to get it. JT3 is not the coach because (a) he had March flame outs, and (b) we did horribly in the Big East the last two seasons. It had nothing to do with the out of conference schedules. And even the bad March losses were against better teams than Radford, Northeastern, or even Richmond this season.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2017 0:20:47 GMT -5
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