iowa80
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Post by iowa80 on Nov 26, 2017 0:26:47 GMT -5
Now, that is certainly not true. Off the top of my head, we lost to NorthEastern 4 years ago. I'd even say last year's DePaul's team is worse than the team we just played. The only two teams JT3 lost to that were worse than Richmond, as they are ranked today, were Northeastern and Radford. That's it. That UNC Asheville team was ranked 131 at the end of the season - a good bit higher than Richmond for now. I realize I am repeating myself, but some people don't seem to get it. JT3 is not the coach because (a) he had March flame outs, and (b) we did horribly in the Big East the last two seasons. It had nothing to do with the out of conference schedules. And even the bad March losses were against better teams than Radford, Northeastern, or even Richmond this season. I'm not getting into the subjective question of how much it impacted his firing, but home losses to the likes of Radford and Asheville (with DSR, LJ, etc.), and a McDonough loss to Arkansas St. last year are never a good look for a struggling program. Perhaps an away win at a credible program off to a poor start is not that impressive (we'll see), but I'm also sure not many in the fanbase were going around saying "Well, that's OK, Asheville and Arkansas St. will be way up in the 130's according to KenPom."
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Nov 26, 2017 1:04:46 GMT -5
Barring violations, losing seasons and waning support (from the supporters, administration or both) are the reasons most coaches and schools part ways. Seems pretty simple in retrospect.
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blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Nov 26, 2017 1:33:55 GMT -5
This is the type of game our previous coach would have lost. This!! We lost to lesser teams last year. Love that we are getting contributions from all 5 starters. No longer feels like we are playing a 3 on 5.
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Post by blueandgray on Nov 26, 2017 1:41:02 GMT -5
Now, that is certainly not true. Off the top of my head, we lost to NorthEastern 4 years ago. I'd even say last year's DePaul's team is worse than the team we just played. The only two teams JT3 lost to that were worse than Richmond, as they are ranked today, were Northeastern and Radford. That's it. That UNC Asheville team was ranked 131 at the end of the season - a good bit higher than Richmond for now. I realize I am repeating myself, but some people don't seem to get it. JT3 is not the coach because (a) he had March flame outs, and (b) we did horribly in the Big East the last two seasons. It had nothing to do with the out of conference schedules. And even the bad March losses were against better teams than Radford, Northeastern, or even Richmond this season. Please. So how to you account for the “Fire Thompson” chants that begun after our early season loss at McDonough. I know for a fact that the admin and as importantly, boosters, took account of that.
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Post by SaxaCD on Nov 26, 2017 1:52:52 GMT -5
I'm just happy we won!
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 26, 2017 2:18:22 GMT -5
An occasional comment is fine, but is it really necessary to re-litigate last year and argue that some here are Hoya fans and some aren’t? Plenty of other threads to litter with that stuff.
How about discussing THIS game and how THIS year’s team and THIS year’s coach did in it? Is that too much to ask?
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 26, 2017 2:41:21 GMT -5
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Post by njhoya78 on Nov 26, 2017 10:35:35 GMT -5
Here's the plus/minus for last night's game, as calculated from the play-by-play posted at guhoyas.com:
Mulmore +18, Pickett +12, Johnson +6, Derrickson +5, Govan +5, Mosely -1, Walker -1, Dickerson -5, Blair -11, Hines DNP/coach's decision, Mourning DNP/injured, Muresan DNP/coach's decision, Sodom DNP/coach's decision.
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Post by sleepy on Nov 26, 2017 10:44:03 GMT -5
Now, that is certainly not true. Off the top of my head, we lost to NorthEastern 4 years ago. I'd even say last year's DePaul's team is worse than the team we just played. The only two teams JT3 lost to that were worse than Richmond, as they are ranked today, were Northeastern and Radford. That's it. That UNC Asheville team was ranked 131 at the end of the season - a good bit higher than Richmond for now. I realize I am repeating myself, but some people don't seem to get it. JT3 is not the coach because (a) he had March flame outs, and (b) we did horribly in the Big East the last two seasons. It had nothing to do with the out of conference schedules. And even the bad March losses were against better teams than Radford, Northeastern, or even Richmond this season. To act as if results in November has no impact or bearing on results and progressing through January- March is silly.
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Post by guru on Nov 26, 2017 11:13:29 GMT -5
Now, that is certainly not true. Off the top of my head, we lost to NorthEastern 4 years ago. I'd even say last year's DePaul's team is worse than the team we just played. The only two teams JT3 lost to that were worse than Richmond, as they are ranked today, were Northeastern and Radford. That's it. That UNC Asheville team was ranked 131 at the end of the season - a good bit higher than Richmond for now. I realize I am repeating myself, but some people don't seem to get it. JT3 is not the coach because (a) he had March flame outs, and (b) we did horribly in the Big East the last two seasons. It had nothing to do with the out of conference schedules. And even the bad March losses were against better teams than Radford, Northeastern, or even Richmond this season. Please join us in the 2017-18 Georgetown basketball season. It’s much more enjoyable than combing through the KenPom archives to fight the last war, trust me.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 26, 2017 11:49:17 GMT -5
The only two teams JT3 lost to that were worse than Richmond, as they are ranked today, were Northeastern and Radford. That's it. That UNC Asheville team was ranked 131 at the end of the season - a good bit higher than Richmond for now. I realize I am repeating myself, but some people don't seem to get it. JT3 is not the coach because (a) he had March flame outs, and (b) we did horribly in the Big East the last two seasons. It had nothing to do with the out of conference schedules. And even the bad March losses were against better teams than Radford, Northeastern, or even Richmond this season. Please join us in the 2017-18 Georgetown basketball season. It’s much more enjoyable than combing through the KenPom archives to fbe her he last war, trust me. This whole line of posts got started with: This is the type of game our previous coach would have lost. I am not interested in re-litigating the past, but if someone says something that's just factually wrong I am going to comment on it. For whatever reason, rather than coming here and praising Ewing or being positive about the team or the fact that we beat the first decent opponent we faced, some people feel a need to come here and take kicks at the former coach and staff. I don't get it at all, but if they're going to do that, at least be accurate when taking the shots.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 26, 2017 12:10:49 GMT -5
We won because the players who were lost last year are now playing with vigor. Mulmore and Johnson seem more confident. Pleased so far with what Pat has done, especially without Pryor and Peak.
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iowa80
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Post by iowa80 on Nov 26, 2017 12:10:54 GMT -5
Here's the plus/minus for last night's game, as calculated from the play-by-play posted at guhoyas.com: Mulmore +18, Pickett +12, Johnson +6, Derrickson +5, Govan +5, Mosely -1, Walker -1, Dickerson -5, Blair -11, Hines DNP/coach's decision, Mourning DNP/injured, Muresan DNP/coach's decision, Sodom DNP/coach's decision. There are definitely caveats about strict use of plus/minus, but going from Mulmore to Mosely to Dickerson to Blair is pretty consistent with what I saw last night on the eye test. Mulmore=MVP.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 26, 2017 12:21:06 GMT -5
Great teaching moment by Pat:
“They had a big three” said UR head guy Chris Mooney before looking at his stat sheet, of the game’s dispositive bucket, “by Pickett there, number one. He made it right at the end of the shot clock (versus) a good contest”.
Interestingly enough that shot may not have happened, as Pickett prior to that was not locked in defensively, leading to Richmond targeting him. Ewing “took him out of the game, then I brought him back in, and he hit a big three. That was a key, key shot for us”.
BTW, Pickett has a little Freshman Otto in him on the offensive end.
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Post by tashoya on Nov 26, 2017 12:26:45 GMT -5
I would have loved to have seen the unedited version of that. Patrick continues to be a bad, bad man. If he tells you to do something, you do it.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 26, 2017 12:32:42 GMT -5
I would have loved to have seen the unedited version of that. Patrick continues to be a bad, bad man. If he tells you to do something, you do it. I was watching Ewing at the game and he was clearly signaling out offensive sets and showed visible frustration at times at our guys’ execution. He seems to be staying on top of our guys, and I’m sure they hear about it in private.
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 26, 2017 12:47:35 GMT -5
We won because the players who were lost last year are now playing with vigor. Mulmore and Johnson seem more confident. Pleased so far with what Pat has done, especially without Pryor and Peak. Mulmore was very very good last night, 8 assists to 1 turnover is a nice line.. The 3 Johnson hit from the corner at 63-66 was huge.. It was good seeing both compete very well against more comparable competition.. Not sure why you're mentioning Peak & Pryor, they were never going to be part of this team..
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Post by OldHoyafan on Nov 26, 2017 12:48:08 GMT -5
Could not find game on tv so I came to this board yesterday evening and from the latest page on the game, I thought the Hoyas had lost the game. Went to yahoo sports and to my pleasant surprise found the Hoyas had won. I know this Richmond team is a bad team, but they were at home in front of an enthusiastic crowd based on playback. The team overcame a listless start( probably looking at opponents record and thinking name on their uniform would produce a victory), and Richmond players playing above their usual output. The question of whether an easy ooc schedule or tough ooc is a he best way to go for a young team , is still open. What I liked were the comments of Govan and Derrickson’s comments after the game, taking ownership of their listless start and heir reaction to Ewing’s halftime instructions. With the Richmond team playing the Hoyas close using a packed zone and trapping Govan and Derrickson, the Hoyas are bound to see that defense the rest of the ooc games especially Syracuse. They will be relying on two freshmen(Blair and Pickett) and two upperclassmen(Johnson and Mulmore) to hit the open 3pt shots. All are trying to prove to themselves and the team that they can consistently hit that shot. We all would like to see thes Hoyas playing and beating top 25 teams but reality tells us that they are not ready for that now.
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Post by dense on Nov 26, 2017 12:50:13 GMT -5
Great teaching moment by Pat: “They had a big three” said UR head guy Chris Mooney before looking at his stat sheet, of the game’s dispositive bucket, “by Pickett there, number one. He made it right at the end of the shot clock (versus) a good contest”. Interestingly enough that shot may not have happened, as Pickett prior to that was not locked in defensively, leading to Richmond targeting him. Ewing “took him out of the game, then I brought him back in, and he hit a big three. That was a key, key shot for us”. BTW, Pickett has a little Freshman Otto in him on the offensive end. Wish he would get any Otto in him on the defensive end, sheesh.
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Post by jamaicahoya on Nov 26, 2017 13:00:04 GMT -5
I'm with hoyasaxa2003. Lets just enjoy the moment. I watched the stream yesterday, and I couldn't remember the last time I was so relaxed watching the team play an important game, and yes it was important. It was only a slight step ahead of the previous competition, but it was a marker nonetheless, and they passed the test. There are many other, greater tests to follow but I won't be watching biting my finger nails and tying myself up in a knot praying for victories. I am just goning to watch the team play, watching to see how a group of players and a coach with chips on their shoulders grow and develop as the season progresses towards their assigned 9th place finish in the BE. Of course life is a matter of perspective, and here is one from De'Monte Buckingham, who lit us up for 28 points.
“For us to be able to stick with a team as good as Georgetown is, it shows how competitive we are and it’s showing how close we are, and how we’re trying to get this thing back rolling,” Buckingham said.
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