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Post by strummer8526 on Nov 25, 2017 20:12:59 GMT -5
Interesting, I hadn't heard that. Was Akoy complaining about the Princeton or about the group that stopped practicing it? Either way, it's sort of depressing. Akoy's high school coach and family friend used to post here. And was saying Akoy was complaining about a certain group of players who weren't working hard or listening. Wow, I missed all of that last year. Work got incredibly busy right around the time the team started to stink more than usual, so it was easy to pay less attention. It does confirm that what we saw on the court was not the best version of what III was trying to do--though I suppose that was obvious from the results. Anyway, back to this team. Definitely a lot of weaknesses, but one thing I like to see is that our guys at least look confident taking a shot. Some of the drives might be reckless. Some of the shots might be quick. But I'll take some of that any day, rather than possession after possession of pass-pass-dribble sideways-pass-dribble-spin-pass-throw ball out of bounds. Make a shot or miss a shot, but at least do it assertively. I can't tell if I miss Pryor on this team, or if I'm happier to let some of the younger guys develop. They definitely have room to improve, but I like Pickett a lot long term (even if he makes some freshman mistakes now). Blair didn't do much tonight, but he has shown flashes. Not a freshman, but Johnson finally seems like he might make the jump. But I think Pryor could have done serious damage in the looser, more aggressive Ewing offense.
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Post by kbones17 on Nov 25, 2017 20:14:03 GMT -5
Overall I’m encouraged with the effort tonight. Mulmore played his best game in a Hoya uniform and seems to have a firm hold on the PG role moving forward. Overall too many turnovers but offensively I think we played a good game and took the right shots for the most part (other than some chucks by Blair).
Defensively, obviously was pretty bad. We Basically gave them a highlight reel of the Princeton offense. And that is one of the big questions moving forward, will we install some zones and will we commit to using them? We tried for about 2 possessions and then gave up on it moving forward. I think we’re going to have be able to switch to zone at times in the BE season, when we play against good quick guards, and when Govan and/or Derrickson are in foul trouble. Honestly I think we should play a majority of zone when we play some the bad teams coming up on our schedule to work on it.
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Post by This Just In on Nov 25, 2017 20:16:11 GMT -5
Final Thoughts:
All 5 starters scored in double digits, lead by Derrickson 16pts, Mulmore 15pts and Govan 14pts For the 3rd straight game the Hoyas shot over 50% from the field For the 2nd time this year the Hoyas shot at least 50% from 3pt range
The team reverted back to poor passing at times and had a 15 asst to 18 turnovers...not going to win many games like this
Final Grade: B
This game was hard fought and not pretty at times, but the offense is humming in spite of the turnovers. The defense is still a work in progress. Tonight's win is by far the best win of the season.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 25, 2017 20:16:16 GMT -5
If Derrickson had any sort of vertical jump he would be completely unstoppable.
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Post by dchoya72 on Nov 25, 2017 20:16:54 GMT -5
The Hoyas played as a competitive team. They were generally poised. Trying to get the ball inside.They made some mistakes but this was good quality play. I'll take it one game at a time. The style of play is better than it has been in years. They are being pressed to get better and make good decisions on offense and defense. We didnt fall apart, and look like we know what we are doing. The games are more interesting.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Nov 25, 2017 20:17:03 GMT -5
Ewing lost the glasses and tie - must have been a fun halftime. I would have paid BIG $$$ to hear what he said to the team especially Govan & Derrickson as they were completely different players in the 2nd half. Way more engaged instead of the passive ways of previous seasons. Mulmore was DYNAMIC tonight. Outside of the boneheaded post pass inside to Govan in the last 2 minutes of the game, he was OUTSTANDING!
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Post by dchoya72 on Nov 25, 2017 20:20:48 GMT -5
We are developing as a team.
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Post by kettlehill on Nov 25, 2017 20:25:48 GMT -5
Considering the overall poor defense and some sloppy passing late that could have cost them, they kept it together. Mulmore- I never thought I'd be saying this - is looking like a leader and a calming influence. I am enjoying this team and I really could give a rats ass about Akoy or Copeland or White or Waters. Only one I outdoor like to see on this team who ain't is LJ, but he gave us enough. Love Patricks calming demeanor late...
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Nov 25, 2017 20:29:00 GMT -5
I wish this was on cable so I could have DVRed the game, I like to go back evaluate with a clear head. But from what I seen that could've been done better, is ball closeout. We gave up too many rebounds and second chances.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Nov 25, 2017 20:30:51 GMT -5
Shuts up the anti Ewing/Thompson crowd. But expect the Richmond is horrible excuse to come up now. Those "excuses" have been out since their first loss of the season. I wouldn't really call it an excuse though if its true. If Grant Golden actually can go 4-8 from three regularly (he's 4-13 on the YEAR coming in) Richmond is not going 11-19 like kenpom predicts. If he doesn't who cares? We dodged a bullet on his career night. With a full team having Fore back and Goldens crazy night the Hoyas still lead the last 9 minutes of this game. So either Richmond is improving or they just stink. Either way the Hoyas won and finally got to face some adversity.
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Post by Hoyaholic on Nov 25, 2017 20:30:58 GMT -5
Shuts up the anti Ewing/Thompson crowd. But expect the Richmond is horrible excuse to come up now. Being critical of the hire (which I was) or of the schedule (which I most certainly am) does not make one anti-Ewing. Hell, if you are on this thread you probably watched this game on an unknown website instead of watching the Iron Bowl. But, yes, Richmond is horrible, and a squeaker win against them is not something to be enthusiastic about. Contrast to last year, when we got clowned by an OK St team with a brand new coach running a brand new system, with probably less talent we have now (on paper at least). That team had the attitude I was hoping we would have this year, instead we look every bit as soft as any JTIII team. Given Ewing's history, the one characteristic I thought I would see in this team is intensity. Not today, not at all. I guess we will learn a lot against Syracuse. We will learn nothing until then other than how well this team scrimmages.
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 25, 2017 20:40:57 GMT -5
Akoy's high school coach and family friend used to post here. And was saying Akoy was complaining about a certain group of players who weren't working hard or listening. Wow, I missed all of that last year. Work got incredibly busy right around the time the team started to stink more than usual, so it was easy to pay less attention. It does confirm that what we saw on the court was not the best version of what III was trying to do--though I suppose that was obvious from the results. Anyway, back to this team. Definitely a lot of weaknesses, but one thing I like to see is that our guys at least look confident taking a shot. Some of the drives might be reckless. Some of the shots might be quick. But I'll take some of that any day, rather than possession after possession of pass-pass-dribble sideways-pass-dribble-spin-pass-throw ball out of bounds. Make a shot or miss a shot, but at least do it assertively. I can't tell if I miss Pryor on this team, or if I'm happier to let some of the younger guys develop. They definitely have room to improve, but I like Pickett a lot long term (even if he makes some freshman mistakes now). Blair didn't do much tonight, but he has shown flashes. Not a freshman, but Johnson finally seems like he might make the jump. But I think Pryor could have done serious damage in the looser, more aggressive Ewing offense. I've been curious about this also so I went back to look. I'm pretty sure the quote that professor keeps referring to is this one.. Huskerpower doesn't mention that Akoy said anything about his former teammates.. Correct me if I'm wrong Professor.. Glad to see people are starting to buy-in on my boy Akoy. Given the opportunity I knew he could and would prove himself. A player needs game action to prove himself and he is starting to get that chance. Sometimes players run into situations where match-ups are not good but he gets that. Was able to take Akoy out for dinner and spend the afternoon with him in Indy a couple weeks ago for the Butler game. He may not always be on his game and make mistakes but you will NEVER see a lack of work ethic. Something I think other members on this team need to realize. At some point in time I'm sure his offensive production will surge but he also understands that the team doesn't need that from him.hoyatalk2.proboards.com/thread/30077/akoy
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 25, 2017 20:45:21 GMT -5
This is the type of game our previous coach would have lost.
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Post by GUJook97 on Nov 25, 2017 20:48:16 GMT -5
Those "excuses" have been out since their first loss of the season. I wouldn't really call it an excuse though if its true. If Grant Golden actually can go 4-8 from three regularly (he's 4-13 on the YEAR coming in) Richmond is not going 11-19 like kenpom predicts. If he doesn't who cares? We dodged a bullet on his career night. With a full team having Fore back and Goldens crazy night the Hoyas still lead the last 9 minutes of this game. So either Richmond is improving or they just stink. Either way the Hoyas won and finally got to face some adversity. Yeah, I don’t think Richmond is as bad as the first few games showed. And, it’s still good to win on the road, no matter who you play. That said, still a lot of work to do defensively.
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Post by tashoya on Nov 25, 2017 20:54:38 GMT -5
I like what I've seen from the new guys and from Jagan and Mulmore. Kaleb, it sort of goes without saying. The hard work in the off-season award clearly goes to that kid.
What concerns me most about this group (not that much does considering the overall expectations) is that Derrickson and Govan don't look much improved to me. They both look to be in better shape and Govan has proven that already in terms of his cardio. But, as far as their games go, I'm just not seeing it. If that's true, the freshmen are going to have to grow up REALLY fast to make any noise at all.
This was always meant to be a rebuilding year but you wouldn't be able to guess that by the tone of some of the posts here. We're 4 games in after a huge overhaul against not very good teams and some people already seem to be disappointed somehow. To each his own, I suppose. I'm excited to see what the coaches and the guys can do. We've already had pleasant surprises. Hopefully, we get a lot more.
On a positive basketball note, I really liked how the guys closed each half. That felt very different than I've become accustomed to feeling as the clock winds down. I'm hoping that's a sign of this group's personality. Keep it up, Hoyas!
On a tech note, I saw that someone mentioned that the quality of Stadium on Pluto TV wasn't good where he/she was. For me, it was really good. Not being able to pause or record it sucked but, for sitting and watching, it was great. I doubt we'll have another game this season that is only airing on Stadium but, if we do and you had trouble finding a good feed, check out the Pluto app on any streaming device. Definitely worth every penny (all zero dollars of it).
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Post by Hoyaholic on Nov 25, 2017 20:55:18 GMT -5
This is the type of game our previous coach would have lost. In 13 years our previous coach never lost to anyone remotely as bad as this Richmond team. Try again.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 25, 2017 20:58:50 GMT -5
Akoy's high school coach and family friend used to post here. And was saying Akoy was complaining about a certain group of players who weren't working hard or listening. Wow, I missed all of that last year. Work got incredibly busy right around the time the team started to stink more than usual, so it was easy to pay less attention. It does confirm that what we saw on the court was not the best version of what III was trying to do--though I suppose that was obvious from the results. Anyway, back to this team. Definitely a lot of weaknesses, but one thing I like to see is that our guys at least look confident taking a shot. Some of the drives might be reckless. Some of the shots might be quick. But I'll take some of that any day, rather than possession after possession of pass-pass-dribble sideways-pass-dribble-spin-pass-throw ball out of bounds. Make a shot or miss a shot, but at least do it assertively. I can't tell if I miss Pryor on this team, or if I'm happier to let some of the younger guys develop. They definitely have room to improve, but I like Pickett a lot long term (even if he makes some freshman mistakes now). Blair didn't do much tonight, but he has shown flashes. Not a freshman, but Johnson finally seems like he might make the jump. But I think Pryor could have done serious damage in the looser, more aggressive Ewing offense. The thing last year was everyone was psychologically afraid to shoot and couldn't shoot except for Peak and Pryor. Then when Peak injured his groin before Big East play that effected his ability. Teams caught on to that and eventually just shut down Pryor and Peak. Nobody else could shoot from outside so they just played hot potato passing the ball around till the shou clock hit zero.
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Post by stafford72 on Nov 25, 2017 21:04:18 GMT -5
Some folks are never satisfied. God help us when the team starts taking some lumps later on. Enjoy the games that we win. Focus on the improvements. Life is too short to harp on the negative.
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Post by sleepy on Nov 25, 2017 21:10:53 GMT -5
This is the type of game our previous coach would have lost. In 13 years our previous coach never lost to anyone remotely as bad as this Richmond team. Try again. Now, that is certainly not true. Off the top of my head, we lost to NorthEastern 4 years ago. I'd even say last year's DePaul's team is worse than the team we just played.
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Post by iowa80 on Nov 25, 2017 21:12:45 GMT -5
Shuts up the anti Ewing/Thompson crowd. I have no idea what this means. Especially crowd in the singular.
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