TC
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Post by TC on Apr 3, 2017 14:24:37 GMT -5
Tagliabue ran the freaking NFL - he is not going to lead a small-thinking, half-a**ed process. Post of the year, only in irony.
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This Just In
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Post by This Just In on Apr 3, 2017 14:25:07 GMT -5
Very disappointed in Tagliabue. The dog and pony show of the search committee was not necessary.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Apr 3, 2017 16:24:16 GMT -5
What a farce. I guess the administration really does have money to blow - paying Tagliabue and some fancy search firm to go out and hire the most obvious choice on the planet
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Post by hoopjunkie on Apr 3, 2017 18:49:43 GMT -5
My guess is Reed will hit the road and wouldn't be surprised to see some board members move on as well. If the only one that DeGioia will listen to is JT...just name him AD..
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Post by EasyEd on Apr 3, 2017 19:02:25 GMT -5
Thirteen years ago Georgetown conducted a nationwide search for a new coach and after scouring the nation, Eureka: JTIII This year Georgetown conducted a nationwide search for a new coach and after scouring the nation, Eureka: Patrick Ewing.
I may be dumb but I'm not stupid.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Apr 3, 2017 23:41:28 GMT -5
I like how people say this committee tried to do a fair and transparent search by contacting Shaka Smart and Mike Brey, two candidates, who wouldnt leave their respective schools no matter what at their points of career.
Shaka wasnt gonna leave Texas just after one season, heck even if kentucky/kansas/unc/duke had a vacancy, it was more likely that Shaka was going to stay at Texas.
Mike Brey has been coaching at ND over a decade with at a moderate success level. just because GU has more history and better brand than ND, he wasnt going to leave the school... just like Boehim/Wright/Ollie would not leave their schools for vacancies at Duke/Kansas/Kentucky just b/c those schools offer more perks/history/better brand than their schools.. those guys are considered as life-timers at their respective schools.
so obviously allegedly contacting those guys who would not leave no matter what is considered as our best efforts in searching for good coach candidates?
why didnt we ever contact Hurley? why never contact Archie Miller? Those guys would have at least interviewed if they were contacted, but they were never contacted.
didnt have much hopes/faith in Reed from the beginning and i really wonder if Taglibue actually played any role in the search or if his name was just thrown in there as a cover.
best of luck to Pat and i do really hope he succeeds, but if this experiment goes into toilet like St. Johns or NC state (mullins/Lowe), Reed/Jack/Taglibue need to be accountable
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Post by tashoya on Apr 3, 2017 23:53:22 GMT -5
I didn't read this whole thread but how do we know who was contacted and who wasn't?
Cosmo, I get your meaning but I think it's too early to assess the Johnnies under Mullin.
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Post by Big Dog on Apr 4, 2017 14:05:00 GMT -5
I like how people say this committee tried to do a fair and transparent search by contacting Shaka Smart and Mike Brey, two candidates, who wouldnt leave their respective schools no matter what at their points of career. Shaka wasnt gonna leave Texas just after one season, heck even if kentucky/kansas/unc/duke had a vacancy, it was more likely that Shaka was going to stay at Texas. Mike Brey has been coaching at ND over a decade with at a moderate success level. just because GU has more history and better brand than ND, he wasnt going to leave the school... just like Boehim/Wright/Ollie would not leave their schools for vacancies at Duke/Kansas/Kentucky just b/c those schools offer more perks/history/better brand than their schools.. those guys are considered as life-timers at their respective schools. so obviously allegedly contacting those guys who would not leave no matter what is considered as our best efforts in searching for good coach candidates? why didnt we ever contact Hurley? why never contact Archie Miller? Those guys would have at least interviewed if they were contacted, but they were never contacted. didnt have much hopes/faith in Reed from the beginning and i really wonder if Taglibue actually played any role in the search or if his name was just thrown in there as a cover. best of luck to Pat and i do really hope he succeeds, but if this experiment goes into toilet like St. Johns or NC state (mullins/Lowe), Reed/Jack/Taglibue need to be accountable Posted elsewhere but works here too: Is the argument that this was all some ingenious plot by the school to minimize resistance to Ewing by pretending to look elsewhere before settling on him a week later? Are DeGioia/Tagliabue/Reed evil geniuses or idiots? It can't really be both. Because there really isn't any good argument that Ewing doesn't have the credentials and references to warrant an opportunity like this. If anything, given the immediate national drumbeat from the NBA level right from the start to give Ewing the opportunity, he almost certainly had more and better credentialed people pushing him to the school than any other mid-major or other candidate. If they had interviewed Danny Hurley and the Mt St Marys guy but then hired Ewing, would you have been satisfied? Given the ever-growing mountain of evidence from knowledgeable people who have been around Ewing in the NBA, isn't it possible that he is at a minimum as good a choice as any of the others out there, and that his deep commitment to Georgetown broke the tie? Also, of course Reed/Jack/Tagliabue are accountable if the Ewing choice fails. That's how coach hiring decisions work.
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Post by Big Dog on Apr 4, 2017 14:24:14 GMT -5
BASKETBALL GODS: So for the next coach of the Hoyas we were thinking of giving you this guy who has been an NBA assistant under Jeff Van Gundy and Stan Van Gundy, who both of those guys as well as Pat Riley respect and recommend tremendously, who has an incredible work ethic, who was THIS CLOSE to getting an NBA head coaching job last season and is desperately hungry for the chance to show what he can do as head coach, and who longtime NBA media guys who have been around him say has a great basketball mind and is knowledgeable about advanced stats.
HOYAS FANS: What a disaster.
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Post by Elvado on Apr 4, 2017 14:24:53 GMT -5
If Patrick succeeds here, the process by which he was chosen is meaningless. If the perfect outsider candidate failed, the good search would be equally meaningless.
We have a Coach. He happens to be the greatest player ever to wear the uniform. Let's root for him and not bitch about how he was hired. At least, not yet.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 4, 2017 14:32:40 GMT -5
If Patrick succeeds here, the process by which he was chosen is meaningless. If the perfect outsider candidate failed, the good search would be equally meaningless. We have a Coach. He happens to be the greatest player ever to wear the uniform. Let's root for him and not bitch about how he was hired. At least, not yet. Well stated, sir.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Apr 4, 2017 14:48:00 GMT -5
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Post by madgesiq92 on Apr 4, 2017 14:51:26 GMT -5
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 4, 2017 14:55:48 GMT -5
I do not know DFW aside from this Board, and I very much appreciate all he has done in hosting this site and his site on Georgetown's history, which is great. I have noticed that he tends to overall have a pessimistic view of things like this, so the take on the situation is not surprising. And it's his site, so very fair to have an opinion. That said, I am not sure the best way to promote a site where fans purportedly come to check out news on the Hoyas is best served by a picture of two empty chairs, rather than...you know...news.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Apr 4, 2017 14:58:00 GMT -5
I do not know DFW aside from this Board, and I very much appreciate all he has done in hosting this site and his site on Georgetown's history, which is great. I have noticed that he tends to overall have a pessimistic view of things like this, so the take on the situation is not surprising. And it's his site, so very fair to have an opinion. That said, I am not sure the best way to promote a site where fans purportedly come to check out news on the Hoyas is best served by a picture of two empty chairs, rather than...you know...news. Have you purchased a copy of DFW's Basketball Vault: A History of the Hoyas? It is a must own. Really great, I have gifted it several times.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 4, 2017 15:33:17 GMT -5
I do not know DFW aside from this Board, and I very much appreciate all he has done in hosting this site and his site on Georgetown's history, which is great. I have noticed that he tends to overall have a pessimistic view of things like this, so the take on the situation is not surprising. And it's his site, so very fair to have an opinion. That said, I am not sure the best way to promote a site where fans purportedly come to check out news on the Hoyas is best served by a picture of two empty chairs, rather than...you know...news. Have you purchased a copy of DFW's Basketball Vault: A History of the Hoyas? It is a must own. Really great, I have gifted it several times. Yes, it is excellent.
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Post by AltoSaxa on Apr 4, 2017 15:56:52 GMT -5
Perhaps you and others should give the benefit of the doubt to a John Carroll award recipient who has given more to GU and its basketball fans than anyone on this site and be cognizant he probably knows more about what occurred behinds the scenes than you could/would ever imagine.
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Post by Big Dog on Apr 4, 2017 16:01:36 GMT -5
Wow, what an incredible find. Why have I been writing new posts defending the Ewing hire when I could have just pasted my post from 13 years ago: So now DFW is seemingly upset about the decision-making process.
I think he puts the administration in a no-win situation here. All of you who think that this hiring could not have been possible if a true national search was conducted confuse me. I have yet to see a single name out there who could provide Georgetown with successful prior head-coaching experience and the requisite concern for academics at the sort of salary the school is capable of paying that would be a clearly better choice than JTIII. Anyone else that we really had a shot at (Joe Scott, Willie Wilson, Fran Dunphy) is in no way a clearly superior choice to JTIII. It is very reasonable to me to believe that the hiring committee determined that John Thompson III, an experienced head coach coming off an NCAA appearance, a man who had assisted a coaching hall-of-famer, who comes from a system that has proven successful in a number of places and at a number of levels, was the best choice for the job. And even if all of JTIII's qualifications make him an equal, and not a superior candidate to all of these other people that have been mentioned, his DC and Georgetown connections are certainly a reasonable thing to consider for tilting the balance in his favor.
The fact is, we're probably never going to know all of the details of the search, who wasn interviewed, how seriously and when they were interviewed, whether JTIII was the choice from the beginning, etc. That is a consequence of the highly secretive search process THAT DFWHOYA HIMSELF CONSTANTLY PRAISED. You can't have it both ways: a top-secret search process and a search process that outsiders are satisfied with. If a fair and balanced search process is required to give this hire legitimacy, then its going to have to be a transparent one. If you want secrecy, then you've got to put the faith in those who made the decision.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Apr 4, 2017 16:17:02 GMT -5
Wow, what an incredible find. Why have I been writing new posts defending the Ewing hire when I could have just pasted my post from 13 years ago: So now DFW is seemingly upset about the decision-making process.
I think he puts the administration in a no-win situation here. All of you who think that this hiring could not have been possible if a true national search was conducted confuse me. I have yet to see a single name out there who could provide Georgetown with successful prior head-coaching experience and the requisite concern for academics at the sort of salary the school is capable of paying that would be a clearly better choice than JTIII. Anyone else that we really had a shot at (Joe Scott, Willie Wilson, Fran Dunphy) is in no way a clearly superior choice to JTIII. It is very reasonable to me to believe that the hiring committee determined that John Thompson III, an experienced head coach coming off an NCAA appearance, a man who had assisted a coaching hall-of-famer, who comes from a system that has proven successful in a number of places and at a number of levels, was the best choice for the job. And even if all of JTIII's qualifications make him an equal, and not a superior candidate to all of these other people that have been mentioned, his DC and Georgetown connections are certainly a reasonable thing to consider for tilting the balance in his favor.
The fact is, we're probably never going to know all of the details of the search, who wasn interviewed, how seriously and when they were interviewed, whether JTIII was the choice from the beginning, etc. That is a consequence of the highly secretive search process THAT DFWHOYA HIMSELF CONSTANTLY PRAISED. You can't have it both ways: a top-secret search process and a search process that outsiders are satisfied with. If a fair and balanced search process is required to give this hire legitimacy, then its going to have to be a transparent one. If you want secrecy, then you've got to put the faith in those who made the decision.
Bookmark this for your response to the 2030 Ewing replacement discussion.
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TC
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Post by TC on Apr 4, 2017 16:26:49 GMT -5
Here was DFW's eventual comment on the 2004 search, almost 2 years later... I hope this time we don't have to wait till 2019 for a comment on this one. hoyatalk2.proboards.com/post/73237
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