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Post by DallasHoya on Apr 21, 2004 16:48:04 GMT -5
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Post by TC on Apr 21, 2004 16:52:03 GMT -5
It's further evidence that Georgetown didn't spend much time on their search. |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 21, 2004 16:53:34 GMT -5
It's further evidence that Georgetown didn't spend much time on their search. Not really. That's only true if you think Joe Scott is a clear superior choice to JTIII. Personally, I think they have similar strengths and weaknesses, and given that, there's no way Scott is offered before JTIII. |
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Post by TC on Apr 21, 2004 17:36:46 GMT -5
Not really. That's only true if you think Joe Scott is a clear superior choice to JTIII. Personally, I think they have similar strengths and weaknesses, and given that, there's no way Scott is offered before JTIII. No, I think you're missing what I'm saying. It took Princeton all of one day to replace JT3. They must have known what was going to happen weeks ago, which means that Georgetown has been settled on a top candidate or settled completely for quite a while. I'm not saying that this has any bearing on the quality of the candidates, I'm saying is that it backs up the statements people have made about the negotiations for JT3 taking a few weeks. |
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Post by TC on Apr 21, 2004 17:44:47 GMT -5
Just to add another guess in here, but there's always the possibility that Georgetown held off on their announcement at the Basketball Banquet in order to give Princeton time to get their ducks in a row.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 21, 2004 17:47:22 GMT -5
No, I think you're missing what I'm saying. It took Princeton all of one day to replace JT3. They must have known what was going to happen weeks ago, which means that Georgetown has been settled on a top candidate or settled completely for quite a while. I'm not saying that this has any bearing on the quality of the candidates, I'm saying is that it backs up the statements people have made about the negotiations for JT3 taking a few weeks. Well, there are other possibilities: 1) Like you said, Gtown waited. 2) Princeton has known for a week only, and the Lang family's loss delayed the announcement here. 3) Princeton thought it highly possible and worked on a contingency basis. |
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Post by Madgesdiq on Apr 21, 2004 17:53:37 GMT -5
Not really. That's only true if you think Joe Scott is a clear superior choice to JTIII. Personally, I think they have similar strengths and weaknesses, and given that, there's no way Scott is offered before JTIII. There are certainly people I know connected to the Princeton program who think that they are "trading up." Just think, Joe Scott would have gotten this job 4 years ago when Carmody left if he didn't go to Air Force; now instead of getting Scott as an "assistant hire" they are getting him after he spent 5 years doing the impossible and building a program at Air Force. I am sure that Princeton wanted JT3 to stay, but I can't imagine there is anyone at Princeton who isn't THRILLED with Scott as a replacement, and as I said, there are those who think he is a possible upgrade. Princeton's AD will go to bed tonight knowing that he made a hire that is on the same level as the hire made by a major Big East school. It will hopefully work out for both schools, but for an Ivy League team to replace their departing coach with a coach of Scott's quality is a coup. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2004 17:54:54 GMT -5
Hi guys!!
I don't think anything is amiss here. Scott had been quoted a while ago that if he were offered the Princeton job, it would be hard to turn it down.
Scott graduated from Princeton, was a basketball player and an assistent coach under Carril for 8 years. Moreover, his wife was a Princeton grad and a member of the Women's basketball team there. There were "unconfirmed" rumors that she wanted to go back east.
Apparently Scott thought that Princeton's coach at the time, Carmody would remain at Princeton for many years and accepted the job at Air Force. Had he not done so, he, and not JT III, would have been named coach when Carmody bolted for Northwestern.
At any rate, I am pleased that my two favorite schools have signed two excellent coaches.
Regards,
Jerry
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 21, 2004 17:56:02 GMT -5
There are certainly people I know connected to the Princeton program who think that they are "trading up." Just think, Joe Scott would have gotten this job 4 years ago when Carmody left if he didn't go to Air Force; now instead of getting Scott as an "assistant hire" they are getting him after he spent 5 years doing the impossible and building a program at Air Force. I am sure that Princeton wanted JT3 to stay, but I can't imagine there is anyone at Princeton who isn't THRILLED with Scott as a replacement, and as I said, there are those who think he is a possible upgrade. Princeton's AD will go to bed tonight knowing that he made a hire that is on the same level as the hire made by a major Big East school. It will hopefully work out for both schools, but for an Ivy League team to replace their departing coach with a caoch of Scott's quality is a coup. Agree, and I like Scott, and probably would rank him a bit higher than JTIII. That said, not enough to be sure, so I'm still fine with our hire. |
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Post by Madgesdiq on Apr 21, 2004 17:59:01 GMT -5
For me it is a toss up with JT3s connections to the Georgetown program weighing in his favor. I guess my point is, from a Princeton perspective, the mere fact that one can debate who is the "better coach" Scott or JT3 is a de facto "win" for the Princeton AD considering that JT3 is a Big East hire and Scott is an Ivy hire. Agree, and I like Scott, and probably would rank him a bit higher than JTIII. That said, not enough to be sure, so I'm still fine with our hire. |
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Post by SaxaCD on Apr 21, 2004 19:19:28 GMT -5
I really think this was a situation of two universities getting considerable coaching upgrades. Obviously, the big loser in this whole thing was Air Force.
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Post by Madgesdiq on Apr 21, 2004 19:25:52 GMT -5
I really think this was a situation of two universities getting considerable coaching upgrades. Obviously, the big loser in this whole thing was Air Force. I don't know if you mean that. Do you think that Scott is a considerable upgrade from JT3 for Princeton? If so, shouldn't the Big East University be getting the better coach than the Ivy and not vice versa. I do agree that JT3 is a huge upgrade over Esherick. |
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Post by HoyaLawya on Apr 21, 2004 19:56:13 GMT -5
I am from the Mountain West and all that I know is that the Mountain West Conference is no Ivy League in competitiveness.
Nor was it any walk in the park for Joe Scott to recruit quality players to play basketball at an institution which features 5 AM wake-up calls and a heavy dose of engineering-oriented academics that keeps even the brightest kids grinding away until 11 PM and the mandatory lights out. Not to mention the 6-week survival skills sojourn in the wilderness known as basic training for those cadets as they enter in mid-June before their freshman year. All topped off by a 4 year commitment to the armed forces after graduation.
The Denver Post wrote an article on him during the Final Four in which he was quoted as clearly stating he'd be interested in an opening in the Big East. I took it as a hopeful sign that he might have gotten some overtures not only from St. John's but possibly Georgetown.
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Post by HoyaLawya on Apr 21, 2004 19:58:29 GMT -5
B/t/w ... Air Force will be fine with Mooney taking over, per a succession agreement. He was also a Princeton player, just a few years younger than Scott. He's been their front-and-center person on the recruiting trail the past couple of years and he'll keep a successful system going. They'll announce the results of their "24 hour search" tomorrow airforcesports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/042104aaa.html |
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Post by SaxaCD on Apr 21, 2004 20:16:10 GMT -5
No, i guess I meant we got an upgrade, and they got equal money with very little effort. Either way, we both made out pretty well in the deal.
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Post by RaleighHoya on Apr 21, 2004 21:44:40 GMT -5
Just to add another guess in here, but there's always the possibility that Georgetown held off on their announcement at the Basketball Banquet in order to give Princeton time to get their ducks in a row. Or maybe it was because our AD's father died. Maybe JTIII was thinking. Either way, Princeton would have to be run by idiots to not think this was a possibility. I do not think it means anything into GU and their search. |
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Post by HoyaLawya on Apr 21, 2004 22:22:34 GMT -5
1) AD's father died, so that would have left him missing.
2) New coach wanted the bb office swept out so he could start with a clean slate .... that makes the nostalgia aspect of a year-end banquet (for the departing seniors) kind of awkward. The presence of the new coach might mean that the assistant coaches are by then "former assistant coaches" .... or not in attendance at all. Remember reports about the tension caused by Roy Williams' attendance at Kansas' banquet last year, which occurred after he'd accepted the UNC job?
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Post by TC on Apr 22, 2004 0:07:58 GMT -5
1) AD's father died, so that would have left him missing. The AD who wasn't even made part of the two person selection group? I smell a bad excuse there. Princeton had to have been working on this for a while. Out of respect for JT3, they can't interview candidates until he's set on leaving. |
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Post by SaxaCD on Apr 22, 2004 7:40:17 GMT -5
There was a two-member search committee who then refered candidates for final interviews with AD and University Prez. That's how it's done in a lot of places.
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