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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 24, 2017 6:47:01 GMT -5
This is a great development, even if it is only to draw attention to the search. Having Tags in there also sends a signal that this is a legitimate open search. I am hoping they do lead an exhaustive search and pick the best candidate. Besides Shaka, I am now starting to lean toward Hurley as a strong second choice. I hope he gets a call. Agree Tags being involved mean that the search will be actually about finding a competent coach with a vision who can resurrect this program The prior coaching search had the same goal and was successful in achieving it. The animus towards 2 people who had so much success at Georgetown and built the program into the major success it is is baffling, as is the false narrative that somehow the search run by Board member Jim Higgins and Frank Rienzo was somehow an inside job that was essentially nepotism. Frankly that is an insult to those 2 men and the coach Georgetown hired who was quite successful here. |
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Post by smokeyjack on Mar 24, 2017 7:09:42 GMT -5
The big question that I have going forward is who is truly in charge of the basketball program at Georgetown, and where they see that program fitting into the University's profile. If you had asked me this time yesterday, I would have said that Jack DeGioia was in control of the program, but he trusted and leaned on the Thompsons (both JTIII and his dad) for their expertise in steering the University's day-to-day path in the college basketball universe. That's what we saw when Georgetown made the decision to champion the reconstitution of the Big East around basketball. DeGioia was front and center, but he was plainly relying on guidance from the Thompsons. DeGioia really trusted the Thompsons, I think, and gave them substantial latitude to determine the course of Georgetown basketball. But today really upends that theory of control. Reading the announcement, it seems clear that this was not a decision that DeGioia personally wanted to make. It seems like the Board had a lot of influence over this decision, which suggests that folks like Alonzo Mourning may hold a significant amount of power. I think this becomes the big question once a coach is named. For now, obviously, the focus turns to Tagliabue and Reed to see how they run the search. But someday soon their job will be done and a new coach will be named. Once that happens, a new era really will take hold over Georgetown, and it'll be interesting to see who is holding the reigns and what the expectations are. Will the new coach take charge, earn the confidence of the administration, and be able to put his own stamp on the program? This is the ideal outcome because it would mean that someone could finally bring the basketball program into the 21st century, with more media availability, greater fan and alumni outreach, and all sorts of positive changes. Will a key non-coaching figure (Mourning, JTII, etc.) have a key role of influence in shaping the administration's posture toward the program? And, does the University continue to demand national competitiveness in basketball? It's a lot of interesting questions, and I think that's a process that we will have to go through. There may be more growing pains in that process than some anticipate today. Bottom line for me is that I hope we will remain committed to national competitiveness. It's clear to me that we have a top tier program in the eyes of the media and of other coaches. We cannot let this moment pass us by. We need a home run decision like when we decided to form the new Big East. I think it's clear from what went on behind closed doors over the last week or so that Tags and big money board guys have final say, which in my opinion is EXPONENTIALLY preferable to Jack and the Thompsons. In theory, the heavy hitters are far less emotional and far more objective. Those are the guys you want making decisions. The fact that Tags is now personally heading up the search is profoundly comforting for anyone who has seen the inner workings of the GU AD over the last 50 years. |
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 24, 2017 7:16:38 GMT -5
I hate the notion that there really is a "national coaching search" and hope that the notion of any sort of committee is just window dressing. I prefer the completely top-down confidential method. Reed is the AD and it should be his call to recommend his top choice and the school's administration, which then has to decide whether or not to pull the trigger. Vet these folks like spies or Supreme Court justices, decides who you want, and go for your guy- whether you have interviewed one candidate or a dozen.
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Post by smokeyjack on Mar 24, 2017 7:21:01 GMT -5
I hate the notion that there really is a "national coaching search" and hope that the notion of any sort of committee is just window dressing. I prefer the completely top-down confidential method. Reed is the AD and it should be his call to recommend his top choice and the school's administration, which then has to decide whether or not to pull the trigger. Vet these folks like spies or Supreme Court justices, decides who you want, and go for your guy- whether you have interviewed one candidate or a dozen. So let me get this straight - you DON'T like the fact that guy who once ran the most successful sports organization in history, is the chairman of our board and a basketball alum is heading up this search? Because you have less faith in him than a guy who runs a relatively tiny athletic department and has never spearheaded a high-profile coaching hire? Makes sense... |
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Post by hobokenhoya on Mar 24, 2017 7:24:53 GMT -5
I hate the notion that there really is a "national coaching search" and hope that the notion of any sort of committee is just window dressing. I prefer the completely top-down confidential method. Reed is the AD and it should be his call to recommend his top choice and the school's administration, which then has to decide whether or not to pull the trigger. Vet these folks like spies or Supreme Court justices, decides who you want, and go for your guy- whether you have interviewed one candidate or a dozen. All indications are that it wasn't Reed's call to fire III and it, in my opinion, shouldn't be his call on III's replacement. You can argue that the AD position SHOULD have this power, but that doesn't appear to be the case at GU. And I, for one, am thrilled to have someone involved in the search that likely understood this change was necessary and in the best interests of the program. |
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Post by Filo on Mar 24, 2017 7:38:06 GMT -5
Agree Tags being involved mean that the search will be actually about finding a competent coach with a vision who can resurrect this program The prior coaching search had the same goal and was successful in achieving it. The animus towards 2 people who had so much success at Georgetown and built the program into the major success it is is baffling, as is the false narrative that somehow the search run by Board member Jim Higgins and Frank Rienzo was somehow an inside job that was essentially nepotism. Frankly that is an insult to those 2 men and the coach Georgetown hired who was quite successful here. Absolutely. But that doesn't fit the narrative that some love to push, so it is completely ignored. Now that JTIII has actually been let go, it is apparent that the program is not in some sort of Thompson family choke-hold. I, for one, am really looking forward to not having to read about that type of conjecture around here any more. |
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Post by smokeyjack on Mar 24, 2017 7:53:08 GMT -5
I suspect GU will always be a little "different" relative to other programs in major conferences. And while nobody is trying to disparage the Thompsons, their seminal and sustaining role has been more than appropriately lauded over the years.
To use a rather crass analogy, would you want your ex, her parents or closest friends choosing your next wife after a breakup over essentially irreconcilable differences?
For all of its accomplishments, our program has been rather awkwardly and uniquely insular over the past 40+ years. It's difficult not to see this search and its leadership as a remarkably refreshing step toward transparency, objectivity and inclusion.
I for one applaud my alma mater with more gusto today than I can recall in many years.
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 24, 2017 7:54:44 GMT -5
I hate the notion that there really is a "national coaching search" and hope that the notion of any sort of committee is just window dressing. I prefer the completely top-down confidential method. Reed is the AD and it should be his call to recommend his top choice and the school's administration, which then has to decide whether or not to pull the trigger. Vet these folks like spies or Supreme Court justices, decides who you want, and go for your guy- whether you have interviewed one candidate or a dozen. All indications are that it wasn't Reed's call to fire III and it, in my opinion, shouldn't be his call on III's replacement. You can argue that the AD position SHOULD have this power, but that doesn't appear to be the case at GU. And I, for one, am thrilled to have someone involved in the search that likely understood this change was necessary and in the best interests of the program. This! |
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Post by seaweed on Mar 24, 2017 7:55:01 GMT -5
The big question that I have going forward is who is truly in charge of the basketball program at Georgetown, and where they see that program fitting into the University's profile. If you had asked me this time yesterday, I would have said that Jack DeGioia was in control of the program, but he trusted and leaned on the Thompsons (both JTIII and his dad) for their expertise in steering the University's day-to-day path in the college basketball universe. That's what we saw when Georgetown made the decision to champion the reconstitution of the Big East around basketball. DeGioia was front and center, but he was plainly relying on guidance from the Thompsons. DeGioia really trusted the Thompsons, I think, and gave them substantial latitude to determine the course of Georgetown basketball. But today really upends that theory of control. Reading the announcement, it seems clear that this was not a decision that DeGioia personally wanted to make. It seems like the Board had a lot of influence over this decision, which suggests that folks like Alonzo Mourning may hold a significant amount of power. I think this becomes the big question once a coach is named. For now, obviously, the focus turns to Tagliabue and Reed to see how they run the search. But someday soon their job will be done and a new coach will be named. Once that happens, a new era really will take hold over Georgetown, and it'll be interesting to see who is holding the reigns and what the expectations are. Will the new coach take charge, earn the confidence of the administration, and be able to put his own stamp on the program? This is the ideal outcome because it would mean that someone could finally bring the basketball program into the 21st century, with more media availability, greater fan and alumni outreach, and all sorts of positive changes. Will a key non-coaching figure (Mourning, JTII, etc.) have a key role of influence in shaping the administration's posture toward the program? And, does the University continue to demand national competitiveness in basketball? It's a lot of interesting questions, and I think that's a process that we will have to go through. There may be more growing pains in that process than some anticipate today. Bottom line for me is that I hope we will remain committed to national competitiveness. It's clear to me that we have a top tier program in the eyes of the media and of other coaches. We cannot let this moment pass us by. We need a home run decision like when we decided to form the new Big East. I think it's clear from what went on behind closed doors over the last week or so that Tags and big money board guys have final say, which in my opinion is EXPONENTIALLY preferable to Jack and the Thompsons. In theory, the heavy hitters are far less emotional and far more objective. Those are the guys you want making decisions. The fact that Tags is now personally heading up the search is profoundly comforting for anyone who has seen the inner workings of the GU AD over the last 50 years. At least a few of the "big money" guys on the board are rabid fans - don't kid your self that this isn't emotional for at least some of them |
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Post by royski on Mar 24, 2017 7:59:27 GMT -5
I hate the notion that there really is a "national coaching search" and hope that the notion of any sort of committee is just window dressing. I prefer the completely top-down confidential method. Reed is the AD and it should be his call to recommend his top choice and the school's administration, which then has to decide whether or not to pull the trigger. Vet these folks like spies or Supreme Court justices, decides who you want, and go for your guy- whether you have interviewed one candidate or a dozen. You are fascinating. |
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Post by smokeyjack on Mar 24, 2017 8:12:30 GMT -5
I think it's clear from what went on behind closed doors over the last week or so that Tags and big money board guys have final say, which in my opinion is EXPONENTIALLY preferable to Jack and the Thompsons. In theory, the heavy hitters are far less emotional and far more objective. Those are the guys you want making decisions. The fact that Tags is now personally heading up the search is profoundly comforting for anyone who has seen the inner workings of the GU AD over the last 50 years. At least a few of the "big money" guys on the board are rabid fans - don't kid your self that this isn't emotional for at least some of them Everyone involved is emotionally invested to some degree by definition. But if you can't see the very obvious differences in likely objectivity levels, I can't help you. |
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Post by seaweed on Mar 24, 2017 8:31:53 GMT -5
At least a few of the "big money" guys on the board are rabid fans - don't kid your self that this isn't emotional for at least some of them Everyone involved is emotionally invested to some degree by definition. But if you can't see the very obvious differences in likely objectivity levels, I can't help you. Don't need your help Jack, I know who I am talking about. But thanks for being as condescending as possible. |
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Post by smokeyjack on Mar 24, 2017 8:40:26 GMT -5
Everyone involved is emotionally invested to some degree by definition. But if you can't see the very obvious differences in likely objectivity levels, I can't help you. Don't need your help Jack, I know who I am talking about. But thanks for being as condescending as possible. "Don't kid yourself" - not patronizing? Interesting. Lots of fail among those salty over the regime change. |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 24, 2017 11:13:02 GMT -5
This is a great development, even if it is only to draw attention to the search. Having Tags in there also sends a signal that this is a legitimate open search. I am hoping they do lead an exhaustive search and pick the best candidate. Besides Shaka, I am now starting to lean toward Hurley as a strong second choice. I hope he gets a call. Hurley has had virtually no success at URI until a 4 day run through the mediocre A10 tourney. Was 19-17 in that same conference last year. One 4 day run should not put him anywhere near the top of the list. |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 24, 2017 12:24:53 GMT -5
Tagliabue ran the freaking NFL - he is not going to lead a small-thinking, half-a**ed process. This is definitely good news. Awful commissioner no? Not really, no. I'm sure some of the crap that Goodell is dealing with poorly (i.e. concussions) raised its head inside with Tags, but he grew the league, didn't have Goodell's massive ego, etc. |
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Post by hoyarad on Mar 24, 2017 15:53:58 GMT -5
I hate the notion that there really is a "national coaching search" and hope that the notion of any sort of committee is just window dressing. I prefer the completely top-down confidential method. Reed is the AD and it should be his call to recommend his top choice and the school's administration, which then has to decide whether or not to pull the trigger. Vet these folks like spies or Supreme Court justices, decides who you want, and go for your guy- whether you have interviewed one candidate or a dozen. You are fascinating. This could be its own thread. Going against the grain just because. |
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Post by AltoSaxa on Mar 24, 2017 17:02:03 GMT -5
When Lee Reed replaced Bernard Muir many said it was not a significant decision since the Thompsons and basketball ran the pathletic department. Has Reed been successful and now that the Thompsons are potentially gone do we need to consider a new AD?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 24, 2017 17:04:09 GMT -5
When Lee Reed replaced Bernard Muir many said it was not a significant decision since the Thompsons and basketball ran the pathletic department. Has Reed been successful and now that the Thompsons are potentially gone do we need to consider a new AD? Reed is irrelevant. No AD at Georgetown is going to be the leading decision maker on a high major college basketball program. Either DeGioia or the Board have the ultimate say. |
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Post by AltoSaxa on Mar 24, 2017 17:06:35 GMT -5
I was not speaking in terms of just basketball. Perhaps Reed took the job knowing he was a ceremonial head and that BB steered the ship. Seeing how lacrosse and other sports have fallen off the cliff is it time for a new AD?
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Post by bicentennial on Mar 24, 2017 17:17:47 GMT -5
I'm not sure being voted by your peers to be President of NACDA is a sign of incompetence. Lee Reed appears to be widely respected by his peer college athletic directors. I trust the Board realizes that while some change was needed, more change is not necessarily better for our University or the future of our athletic programs.
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