BigMike
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Apr 21, 2004 9:50:14 GMT -5
Post by BigMike on Apr 21, 2004 9:50:14 GMT -5
For all the negative posters out there RELAX.
You guys complain about not having a national search when you know nothing about the search. And don't complain about Georgetown's secrecy about the process either--just look at the mess SJU went thru and decide which way you like.
JTIII has 1) been to the NCAA's twice in 4yrs 2) has done it while having to meet high academic standards 3) has connections in the DC area and 4) LOVES and is committed to Georgetown
I don't know how anyone would think this isn't a great hire and if you don't think so ---you will be proven wrong shortly
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YB
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Apr 21, 2004 10:01:46 GMT -5
Post by YB on Apr 21, 2004 10:01:46 GMT -5
Calm down Big Mike- I think most people here agree with you- I know I do- JT3 is a good hire and will serve us well.
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FOTP
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Apr 21, 2004 10:13:56 GMT -5
Post by FOTP on Apr 21, 2004 10:13:56 GMT -5
For the record: I'd rather have an open process and get a coach and recruiter of the quality that St. John's got. Norm Roberts was a slam dunk homerun hire by the Johnnies. The guy recruited a VERY talented Illinois team including Dee Brown and signed up Charlie Villanueva to come from NJ out to Illinois.
I’ve been looking more and more at some of the comments post JTIII hiring and I’ve become increasingly convinced that this wasn’t a National search at all. I mean the “process” took 4 weeks to hire a new coach and the quotes are that they’ve been negotiating with JTIII for a few weeks. Not a chance in hell they were able to put together a list and interview a bunch of coaches during this process. In fact, these types of things ALWAYS leak in terms of coaches interviewing. Look at St. John’s as an example. You knew every coach that was being interviewed during the process.
I’m not saying that I’m unhappy with the choice of JTIII (although I still have major reservations about his ability to recruit), but I just don’t believe that this process was done correctly.
My personal feeling is that the school was afraid to do a real search because they didn't want to have to support the program the way a top notch coach would demand.
I have no facts to support this, but just some thoughts. I'm thrilled that Esherick is gone, but I fear we lost an opportunity to really make a change in the program for the long term.
Go Hoyas and I wish JTIII the best.
P.S. Nice to see that Brandon wasn't playing hard for Esherick last year. Great quotes from him. The kid is on full scholarship and basically admitted to not working very hard. Wonderful.
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YB
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Apr 21, 2004 10:17:58 GMT -5
Post by YB on Apr 21, 2004 10:17:58 GMT -5
Agreed FOTP re:Brandon- that really burns me. THAT guy does not know what it means to be a Hoya.
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SaxaCD
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Apr 21, 2004 10:19:18 GMT -5
Post by SaxaCD on Apr 21, 2004 10:19:18 GMT -5
He never said he didn't work hard -- he insinuated that the new coach might be better able to motivate the players to work even harder. It's a pretty important distinction.
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DallasHoya
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Apr 21, 2004 10:21:27 GMT -5
Post by DallasHoya on Apr 21, 2004 10:21:27 GMT -5
All this talk about the "process" reminds me of all the time we wasted talking about it in law school.
We got someone who (i) is a successful coach, (ii) has an offensive plan, (iii) has the utmost integrity, (iv) has a name that ties back to the most successful period in the program's history, (v) is affordable, and (vi) dresses a lot better than his father. Why complain?
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SaxaCD
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Apr 21, 2004 10:34:12 GMT -5
Post by SaxaCD on Apr 21, 2004 10:34:12 GMT -5
Amen, Dallas.
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FOTP
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Apr 21, 2004 10:35:26 GMT -5
Post by FOTP on Apr 21, 2004 10:35:26 GMT -5
I really do like JTIII and think he'll certainly be an improvement. I just fear we had that one chance to really make a statement and took the easy way out. No mention at the press conference of things like: The University is supporting me in every way possible; we're dedicated to bringing a new on campus arena to Georgetown etc.
Just a small point, but an important distinction. JTIII won't rock the boat and that's what the University wanted.
We'll be better for sure, but I was hoping for little more inspiration.
Just me.
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BigMike
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Apr 21, 2004 11:03:00 GMT -5
Post by BigMike on Apr 21, 2004 11:03:00 GMT -5
FOTP----Roberts is NOT a better hire than JTIII. Hiring someone who's only head coaching experience was a failure is not better than hiring a coach that was a winner.
Recruiting is very important but coaching is more important. See Texas Tech's first year under Bobby KNight.
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SoCalHoya
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Apr 21, 2004 11:07:23 GMT -5
Post by SoCalHoya on Apr 21, 2004 11:07:23 GMT -5
He may be his JT's son and have tons of friends in the administration, but I don't think he has any qualms about stirring things up. For as much as he is old blood, he is new blood just the same.
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Apr 21, 2004 11:08:46 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2004 11:08:46 GMT -5
Isn't it about time for dose to chime in with his "Process vs. Result" rant? ;D
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Apr 21, 2004 11:27:42 GMT -5
Post by RaleighHoya on Apr 21, 2004 11:27:42 GMT -5
He may be his JT's son and have tons of friends in the administration, but I don't think he has any qualms about stirring things up. For as much as he is old blood, he is new blood just the same. Yeah, and we know how his father would never shake things up! HAHA He is a strong minded person, and will make changes as he see's fit. There is no way to tell today if this was a great hire, ok hire, or worst hire we ever made. WE will have to wait and see. With all of the information about our search that I am aware of (and I am sure there is tons I am not aware of) he was the most qualified candidate in our price range that will also focus on academics. To say he is better or worse than the SJU hire at this point is child's play.
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SFHoya99
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Apr 21, 2004 11:28:04 GMT -5
Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 21, 2004 11:28:04 GMT -5
I think this argument comes down to whether you think coaching or recruiting is more important.
Personally, I think Gtown's only shot is to win some and recruit from the wins, as most programs are built. When was the last time a big time recruiter came in and immediately built a juggernaut? Missouri and Arkansas have tried it recently and it hasn't really worked. Maybe DePaul, but I think it is questionable to call Letaio a recruiter only.
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Apr 21, 2004 11:29:17 GMT -5
Post by hoyarooter on Apr 21, 2004 11:29:17 GMT -5
Big Mike, do you play for the Knicks? ;D
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Apr 21, 2004 11:33:22 GMT -5
Post by HoyaLawya on Apr 21, 2004 11:33:22 GMT -5
A fairly "open process" has seen the USF Dons careen from Gene Keady (who used them for leverage) to Dunlap (from D-II) to Bill Cartwright (never given the chance to interview?) to Rodney Tention at Arizona (would have been their best pick imho) to Perry Clark (huh?) to Steve Hawkins of Western Michigan (who'd have also been good but he declined) to Jessie Evans from Louisiana-Lafayette (who recently had an NCAA inquiry into a player's Escalade) ......... members4.boardhost.com/donscentral/msg/17500.htmlA closed process to our search spared us some potential embarrassment for looking clumsy, such as what USF has suffered in spades. But the end result because of the Thompson name makes for an aura of "done deal" and lingering questions about just how broad and nationwide the search really was.
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Apr 21, 2004 11:37:36 GMT -5
Post by FOTP on Apr 21, 2004 11:37:36 GMT -5
I'm a believer that a great recruiter makes himself a better coach. It all starts with getting the talent. That by no means guarantees national championships, but it gets you in the conversation.
Roberts is a proven recruiter who has sat in the living room of Top 10 recruits and won. JTIII has never recruited a top flight player in his life. Just the facts.
I think JTIII will do well and I fully support him. However, you'd be naive if you didn't analyze his weaknesses and track those.
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Apr 21, 2004 12:48:54 GMT -5
Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 21, 2004 12:48:54 GMT -5
I'm a believer that a great recruiter makes himself a better coach. It all starts with getting the talent. That by no means guarantees national championships, but it gets you in the conversation. Roberts is a proven recruiter who has sat in the living room of Top 10 recruits and won. JTIII has never recruited a top flight player in his life. Just the facts. I think JTIII will do well and I fully support him. However, you'd be naive if you didn't analyze his weaknesses and track those. But what program has actually built itself up that way? Lots are trying, but what has worked? Programs like Duke, Maryland and UConn succeeded with less talent first, then started getting Top 20 recruits. I'm not saying JTIII won't need to recruit well, but I'm also saying I don't know of a program that built itself by grabbing Top 20 recruits before they won with less talent.
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