Big Dog
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Post by Big Dog on Apr 4, 2017 17:05:31 GMT -5
Here's also hoping we don't have to engage tomorrow as we had to do 13 years ago in a tea leaves reading exercise about what it means that Ewing doesn't immediately announce a public departure from some aspect of the Thompson approach. As we can see in the 2004 thread Madge found, some were absolutely convinced based on III's vague comments at the initial press conference that he would refuse to reject the JT/Esherick cupcake approach to scheduling. JTIII, of course, proved a master at scheduling good opponents and boosting the Hoyas' NCAA seedings (arguably to his ultimate detriment when they failed to play up to their seeding).
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 4, 2017 17:14:20 GMT -5
The tea leaves say no Thompson would ever livestream a press conference on Facebook.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 4, 2017 17:43:20 GMT -5
Another good start would be live streaming Hoya/Midnight Madness (or whatever it's called now), which they had done years ago but then stopped the last few years...
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 4, 2017 17:58:17 GMT -5
Voldermort is back! All the Horcrux's are in place.
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Post by HometownHoya on Apr 4, 2017 18:52:05 GMT -5
Please no vines, periscopes or other short form streaming. Facebook Live is fine as long as they do whole events and not just snippets.
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FLHoya
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Post by FLHoya on Apr 4, 2017 18:58:17 GMT -5
Here was DFW's eventual comment on the 2004 search, almost 2 years later... I hope this time we don't have to wait till 2019 for a comment on this one. hoyatalk2.proboards.com/post/73237I mean, he nailed the we'll get over the USF loss thing though...so there's that.
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GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Apr 4, 2017 22:06:49 GMT -5
If Patrick succeeds here, the process by which he was chosen is meaningless. If the perfect outsider candidate failed, the good search would be equally meaningless. We have a Coach. He happens to be the greatest player ever to wear the uniform. Let's root for him and not bitch about how he was hired. At least, not yet. Nonsense. The process matters more than the outcome and must be dissected from now through his last game as head coach. He must also be either demonized or deified within his first 18 games and all good or bad must be viewed through that initial lens. Those are the board rules.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 4, 2017 22:36:03 GMT -5
If Patrick succeeds here, the process by which he was chosen is meaningless. If the perfect outsider candidate failed, the good search would be equally meaningless. We have a Coach. He happens to be the greatest player ever to wear the uniform. Let's root for him and not bitch about how he was hired. At least, not yet. Nonsense. The process matters more than the outcome and must be dissected from now through his last game as head coach. He must also be either demonized or deified within his first 18 games and all good or bad must be viewed through that initial lens. Those are the board rules. Wow, 18 games?? You are a man of almost infinite patience Giga! 😉
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Post by sleepy on Apr 4, 2017 22:49:52 GMT -5
Nonsense. The process matters more than the outcome and must be dissected from now through his last game as head coach. He must also be either demonized or deified within his first 18 games and all good or bad must be viewed through that initial lens. Those are the board rules. Wow, 18 games?? You are a man of almost infinite patience Giga! 😉 If we don't have a thread renamed to "Ewing Coaching Discussion" by game 5, I will be seriously disappointed.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 4, 2017 23:44:33 GMT -5
Wow, 18 games?? You are a man of almost infinite patience Giga! 😉 If we don't have a thread renamed to "Ewing Coaching Discussion" by game 5, I will be seriously disappointed. If he doesn't hire the right assistants, he might be on the hot seat.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Apr 4, 2017 23:50:11 GMT -5
Wow, 18 games?? You are a man of almost infinite patience Giga! 😉 If we don't have a thread renamed to "Ewing Coaching Discussion" by game 5, I will be seriously disappointed. You won't be disappointed. Over/under at game 2?
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Apr 4, 2017 23:52:57 GMT -5
If we don't have a thread renamed to "Ewing Coaching Discussion" by game 5, I will be seriously disappointed. If he doesn't hire the right assistants, he might be on the hot seat. Or if he and the coaches and players don't deliver pizzas to kids that sporadically (if at all) attend games.
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Post by lurkerhoya on Apr 5, 2017 7:35:08 GMT -5
If he doesn't hire the right assistants, he might be on the hot seat. Or if he and the coaches and players don't deliver pizzas to kids that sporadically (if at all) attend games. I considered seeing if CH would publish my alumni perspective post demanding that Ewing and the team come to my one year old's birthday party in three weeks, but thought better of it since it's around exam time.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Apr 5, 2017 7:38:52 GMT -5
Or if he and the coaches and players don't deliver pizzas to kids that sporadically (if at all) attend games. I considered seeing if CH would publish my alumni perspective post demanding that Ewing and the team come to my one year old's birthday party in three weeks, but thought better of it since it's around exam time. An effective coach wouldn't need 3 weeks lead time to accommodate such obligations.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 5, 2017 7:44:09 GMT -5
Wow, 18 games?? You are a man of almost infinite patience Giga! 😉 If we don't have a thread renamed to "Ewing Coaching Discussion" by game 5, I will be seriously disappointed. Ewing on the Hot Seat thread will appear shortly.
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TC
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Post by TC on Apr 5, 2017 8:05:48 GMT -5
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Post by SaxaCD on Apr 5, 2017 8:17:30 GMT -5
I understand DFW's feelings, although I don't agree with most of it. Depending on who is selected to be on the new staff, this is an opportunity to bridge the gap between the past and the future. I think the hire makes a ton of sense, and I'd like to see a HC at Georgetown actually start a thriving coaching tree for once. I hope Pat is the one to do that.
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Post by lurkerhoya on Apr 5, 2017 8:22:49 GMT -5
Frankly, it's a hatchet job from someone posting with the aura of insider knowledge without providing it. The idea that pushed by Thamel and now DFW is a 2017 problem. It doesn't matter what search we run in a 2017 news cycle where every schmo with a twitter account gets to be a reporter. To use what Tom Crean may have leaked on his own as evidence that the search was bumbling is using evidence to fit a narrative, not evidence that the narrative is true. I get that he disagrees with the hire, that's his right. I think it's a crappy position to take that somehow we settled on this as a plan B without anything to back it up other than a Sean Spicer-esque link to other unsubstantiated reporting.
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KHoyaNYC
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Apr 5, 2017 8:41:20 GMT -5
Frankly, it's a hatchet job from someone posting with the aura of insider knowledge without providing it. The idea that pushed by Thamel and now DFW is a 2017 problem. It doesn't matter what search we run in a 2017 news cycle where every schmo with a twitter account gets to be a reporter. To use what Tom Crean may have leaked on his own as evidence that the search was bumbling is using evidence to fit a narrative, not evidence that the narrative is true. I get that he disagrees with the hire, that's his right. I think it's a crappy position to take that somehow we settled on this as a plan B without anything to back it up other than a Sean Spicer-esque link to other unsubstantiated reporting. In short what I got out of it was. 1. He wanted someone young and instead got someone he thinks is too old. 2. He was "suspicious" of the intensity, integrity, and quality of the search because of all the leaks. Interestingly, with the nod to Wallace, he was not advocating a clean break from the past. I can understand #1. I think #2 is largely just a function of today's media world but, sure, it would have been better if there were less leaks. But neither #1 or #2 leads me to question the quality and depth of the search process. I think it was more a reflection that the top-level names we were after didn't see the job as an attractive enough one to leave for, even with big time $$$$ on the table. In other words, what we were selling wasn't worth as much as we thought.
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Filo
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Post by Filo on Apr 5, 2017 8:50:39 GMT -5
Really? Lamenting how well the search in 2004 was such a well-kept secret but this 2017 search was just full of leaks? I don't even know where to begin. Geez, Twitter wasn't even around in 2004!!!! We have no idea that any of these so-called leaks actually were leaks and were legitimate. Someone bought into the Thamel narrative hook, line, and sinker. Sad!
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