TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 17, 2017 1:15:37 GMT -5
This is as bad as it has ever been at Georgetown. And that's not hyperbole. It's not an acceptable defense to cling to "We could be DePaul." And, newsflash: We're getting there - fast. It wasn't a defense. I was just saying it could easily be worse than it's been - and that's true if JT3 is the coach or someone else. Yes, things are down but we have a long way until we are at DePaul's level. We made the NCAA tournament two seasons ago. When is the last time DePaul made it? Like I said this isn't a defense. Obviously the comparison for the program shouldn't be DePaul but until we've been awful under multiple coaches for a decade and not even sniffing the NCAA tournament, don't tell me it can't be worse. And Esherick made the NCAA tournament once ever. His record was not horrible because he didn't schedule hard OOC games but his last two seasons were awful. Esherick's last three teams finished #35 (2002), #36 (2003) and #125 (2004) in KenPom. JT3's last three teams (counting this year) are #22 (2015), #66 (2016) and #62 (2017). The Hoyas were #57 in 2014. Esherick went 29-35 in the Big East in his last four years (.453 winning percentage). JT3 is 28-32 in the Big East in the last four years, counting this year (.467 winning percentage). They haven't bottomed out as bad as Esherick's last year, but I think it's hard to say these four years are appreciably better than Esherick's last four years.
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Post by krukster201 on Jan 17, 2017 1:19:57 GMT -5
I'm not even gonna respond to the 2nd part of that comment cause that's not your business and shouldn't be your concern. As far as the first part , I know for a fact that recruits read this forum and the negativity about players and the program are certainly topics that come about often. Like I said , it's an open forum and people are entitled to their own opinions. I can't stop that nor will I judge anyone. If someone wants to hold their breath until JT3 is fired GOOD LUCK brother. Or you could just beat a dead horse , not my concern. Enjoy your night Fellas
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 17, 2017 1:32:03 GMT -5
What a complete and absolute abomination. Can anybody on this team shoot the ball? Horrible shooting, unforced turnovers, poor defense. There's nothing positive to take from this one. I guess we must have thought we were playing Ohio U. That was a disgraceful performance, plain and simple.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Jan 17, 2017 5:20:06 GMT -5
this was a complete domination from the tip. any goodwill this team built up the prior 2 games was destroyed last night. just a horrific performance on both ends of the floor. the score was 12-10 providence with 14:25 left in the first half. these were the possessions for the Hoyas the next 7 minutes....
- derrickson missed 3 - mulmore lazy pass turnover - govan bad pass turnover - derrickson travel turnover - agau dribbles from the top of the key spins and jacks up a wild shot, obviously misses, might as well be a turnover - govan basket on nice look from peak - govan miss - agau misses a 3 from the corner (why on earth is he shooting 3's) - govan jacks up a 3 and misses - mulmore missed 3 - agau layup missed - tre makes nice reverse layup - pryor jacks up a step back 3 just inside the 3 line - tre misses a 3 - ditto - peak blows a layup
and just like that it is 27-14. this team seems to have no clue what a good shot is at times. no structure on the floor and certainly not much on the sideline.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 17, 2017 6:27:12 GMT -5
A lot of those shots were open and just missed. I would agree that the offense was less than ideal during that period,but gosh, if we hit just a couple of wide open shots the game is at least close. Coach did not take any shots last night. Team has to make more of those.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 17, 2017 6:28:20 GMT -5
How about the first play of the game- obviously a designed play, which yields a layup for perhaps our best offensive player? But he missed the easy shot. That was the story last night- lack of basic offensive execution.
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Post by This Just In on Jan 17, 2017 8:41:09 GMT -5
I'm not even gonna respond to the 2nd part of that comment cause that's not your business and shouldn't be your concern. As far as the first part , I know for a fact that recruits read this forum and the negativity about players and the program are certainly topics that come about often. Like I said , it's an open forum and people are entitled to their own opinions. I can't stop that nor will I judge anyone. If someone wants to hold their breath until JT3 is fired GOOD LUCK brother. Or you could just beat a dead horse , not my concern. Enjoy your night Fellas I think eagle54 was just joking around about the the 2nd part.
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Post by bigskyhoya on Jan 17, 2017 9:19:18 GMT -5
I recognize that highlighting any individual flaw in our team seems pointless given the poor overall level of play, but I have never seen a team that gets beat so often by a player driving from the baseline to the basket for an easy layup, without so much as a hand on him. Part of this is slow feet (Hayes and Govan), but aren't they taught to cut off the baseline drive?
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Post by wolveribe on Jan 17, 2017 9:36:36 GMT -5
A lot of those shots were open and just missed. I would agree that the offense was less than ideal during that period,but gosh, if we hit just a couple of wide open shots the game is at least close. Coach did not take any shots last night. Team has to make more of those. But, its 16 possessions..... 3 turnovers 1 wild shot 4 3 point attempts by guys that shouldn't have been shooting them
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 17, 2017 9:45:57 GMT -5
A lot of those shots were open and just missed. I would agree that the offense was less than ideal during that period,but gosh, if we hit just a couple of wide open shots the game is at least close. Coach did not take any shots last night. Team has to make more of those. But, its 16 possessions..... 3 turnovers 1 wild shot 4 3 point attempts by guys that shouldn't have been shooting them Obviously the TOs were bad, but I am not sure about the threes...open looks, we need to hit more of those, and I am fine with guys shooting- just need to convert.
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Post by guru on Jan 17, 2017 9:58:52 GMT -5
But, its 16 possessions..... 3 turnovers 1 wild shot 4 3 point attempts by guys that shouldn't have been shooting them Obviously the TOs were bad, but I am not sure about the threes...open looks, we need to hit more of those, and I am fine with guys shooting- just need to convert. You're fine with Agau taking a three?
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 17, 2017 10:01:54 GMT -5
Yes; he has made those and has a decent shot.
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Post by guru on Jan 17, 2017 10:04:46 GMT -5
This is as bad as it has ever been at Georgetown. And that's not hyperbole. It's not an acceptable defense to cling to "We could be DePaul." And, newsflash: We're getting there - fast. It wasn't a defense. I was just saying it could easily be worse than it's been - and that's true if JT3 is the coach or someone else. Yes, things are down but we have a long way until we are at DePaul's level. We made the NCAA tournament two seasons ago. When is the last time DePaul made it? Like I said this isn't a defense. Obviously the comparison for the program shouldn't be DePaul but until we've been awful under multiple coaches for a decade and not even sniffing the NCAA tournament, don't tell me it can't be worse. And Esherick made the NCAA tournament once ever. His record was not horrible because he didn't schedule hard OOC games but his last two seasons were awful. I can't believe I'm being put in a position to defend Esh, but he didn't have any losses that would rival any of JT3's worst losses. Northeastern, Radford, Asheville, Arkansas State, the first round humiliations. And I'm sure I'm leaving some out. Come down off the wall. The battle is over. Judging by their performance last night, even the players know it.
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Post by guru on Jan 17, 2017 10:07:42 GMT -5
Yes; he has made those and has a decent shot. He is 1-8 from 3 this season
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 17, 2017 10:13:39 GMT -5
Obviously he has made some in practice and has the green light. Stroke looks fine to me and I say if it is an open look, let it fly.
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Post by calhoya on Jan 17, 2017 10:17:55 GMT -5
Yes; he has made those and has a decent shot. I respect you as the ultimate defender of coach, team and program, but to say that Agau has made those 3 pt. shots before is misleading. He has taken 9 threes this year and made 1. That is 11%. He is a post and has no business taking that shot. I doubt that this was the play called for in the offense either. There is no way this coach has designed an offense for his posts, other than Govan, to be shooting the 3 or for his three PGs to be taking the 3 unless wide open. Nor has he designed an offense which calls for Agau to be attempting to drive into the lane when the kid has a very poor handle. Last night as it has before the play just broke down. You could see on the coaches' faces the frustration as the kids resorted to individual play over team play. Very disappointing.
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Post by guru on Jan 17, 2017 10:22:11 GMT -5
Obviously he has made some in practice and has the green light. Stroke looks fine to me and I say if it is an open look, let it fly. That's not obvious to anyone but you, methinks.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 17, 2017 10:32:27 GMT -5
Yes; he has made those and has a decent shot. I respect you as the ultimate defender of coach, team and program, but to say that Agau has made those 3 pt. shots before is misleading. He has taken 9 threes this year and made 1. That is 11%. He is a post and has no business taking that shot. I doubt that this was the play called for in the offense either. There is no way this coach has designed an offense for his posts, other than Govan, to be shooting the 3 or for his three PGs to be taking the 3 unless wide open. Nor has he designed an offense which calls for Agau to be attempting to drive into the lane when the kid has a very poor handle. Last night as it has before the play just broke down. You could see on the coaches' faces the frustration as the kids resorted to individual play over team play. Very disappointing. Perhaps he has made only one three, but he has made multiple outside shots and jumpers from the foul line area. He has a decent jump shot. It is hard to analyze his three-point shot when he has taken less than twenty threes so far this year. Again, the stroke looks fine to me. The offense is designed to have multiple guys who can fire and hit from outside. When Agau, Mosely, and Mulmore are limited threats and Derrickson is not hitting, we are in trouble. But it is different than saying, "We have no offense." The truth is that we have an offense, but guys cannot consistently execute what we need to make that offense work.
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Post by grandmahoya on Jan 17, 2017 10:38:42 GMT -5
All this talk about Prov. not being a good team is ridiculous. They just beat Seton Hall and came on our court and embarrassed us. They preyed on our weaknesses of which there are many. This was a game that we had to win, but came out unprepared. The games are 0nly going to get tougher now, as the talent and coaching in this conference has passed us by. This game was painful to watch, as I really care about all of these players, and it breaks my heart to watch them struggle.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 17, 2017 10:39:00 GMT -5
Yes; he has made those and has a decent shot. He is 1-8 from 3 this season On the other hand, he had as much chance of hitting one as the rest of the team last night!😥
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