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Post by krukster201 on Jan 16, 2017 23:52:09 GMT -5
Who can honestly blame the fans for harsh criticism towards the coach and what we're witnessing this year. Who's defending the current state of this program? I'm not gonna beat a dead horse , but come on bro .. this will only get uglier with the next three games. I feel for the players , because it has to be difficult to focus with such a negative buzz surrounding this season and each outcome. I get abused daily as a fan and supporter of this program. I WANNA WIN and I WANT GU to BE RELEVANT AGAIN. It's Difficult man.
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Post by guru on Jan 16, 2017 23:53:20 GMT -5
They're tied with us in the standings. They beat this Providence team that just wiped the floor with us. Yes and we've been awful so far and last year was bad too. The difference is DePaul has been as bad as we were tonight consistently for a decade. I am not saying this to defend the coach. But people don't realize that yes things can certainly be worse. This is as bad as it has ever been at Georgetown. And that's not hyperbole. It's not an acceptable defense to cling to "We could be DePaul." And, newsflash: We're getting there - fast.
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Post by krukster201 on Jan 16, 2017 23:56:14 GMT -5
Dense .. Marshall was as kind as possible when fake bashing the coach, the offense and program. Lavin was just smiling and pump faked like he wanted to add on but stayed shut and kinda just shook his head. Not a good look
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Post by eagle54 on Jan 16, 2017 23:57:40 GMT -5
Who can honestly blame the fans for harsh criticism towards the coach and what we're witnessing this year. Who's defending the current state of this program? I'm not gonna beat a dead horse , but come on bro .. this will only get uglier with the next three games. I feel for the players , because it has to be difficult to focus with such a negative buzz surrounding this season and each outcome. I get abused daily as a fan and supporter of this program. I WANNA WIN and I WANT GU to BE RELEVANT AGAIN. It's Difficult man. hoyatalk2.proboards.com/post/711944 - I think this one for sure. and also possibly this one - hoyatalk2.proboards.com/post/711948
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Post by This Just In on Jan 16, 2017 23:58:50 GMT -5
This fan base is becoming more apathetic as each embarrassing performance unfolds and it's hard to blame them. If and when a change is made, the next regime has work to do to generate excitement back into the program. It is a losers mentality and ala the Dallas Cowboys and Cincinnati Bengals.
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Post by deacon on Jan 17, 2017 0:01:50 GMT -5
Yes and we've been awful so far and last year was bad too. The difference is DePaul has been as bad as we were tonight consistently for a decade. So instead of comparing ourselves to Villanova we have sunk to the basement and comparing ourselves to DePaul. That is depressing! Speaks volumes about where we are as a program. Not are we as good as Villanova but are we as bad as DePaul. *smdh*
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Post by This Just In on Jan 17, 2017 0:05:00 GMT -5
Yes and we've been awful so far and last year was bad too. The difference is DePaul has been as bad as we were tonight consistently for a decade. I am not saying this to defend the coach. But people don't realize that yes things can certainly be worse. At $3m a year for a coach, you can find someone who can fix this. And right now GU has a brand but as I've been saying for three plus years, each day we watch these games that brand gets further diminished. Maybe we should have made the change after FGCU as I subtly suggested and we'd be competing with the Nova's, Creighton's, Butlers rather than the DePauls and St. Johns. The brand is generationally damaged. Everyone that I know that follows the team and remembers the glory years are 40 plus and up. Their children and grand children only know that Hoyas run a Princeton offense and are the chic pick to get upset in March.
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Post by beenaround on Jan 17, 2017 0:12:08 GMT -5
At $3m a year for a coach, you can find someone who can fix this. And right now GU has a brand but as I've been saying for three plus years, each day we watch these games that brand gets further diminished. Maybe we should have made the change after FGCU as I subtly suggested and we'd be competing with the Nova's, Creighton's, Butlers rather than the DePauls and St. Johns. The brand is generationally damaged. Everyone that I know that follows the team and remembers the glory years are 40 plus and up. Their children and grand children only know that Hoyas run a Princeton offense and are the chic pick to get upset in March.At this point...it may be some time before we "get upset in March."
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Post by eagle54 on Jan 17, 2017 0:14:08 GMT -5
The brand is generationally damaged. Everyone that I know that follows the team and remembers the glory years are 40 plus and up. Their children and grand children only know that Hoyas run a Princeton offense and are the chic pick to get upset in March.At this point...it may be some time before we "get upset in March." Right, remember the good old days when a 14 Ohio U team would take you down.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 17, 2017 0:30:56 GMT -5
Yes and we've been awful so far and last year was bad too. The difference is DePaul has been as bad as we were tonight consistently for a decade. I am not saying this to defend the coach. But people don't realize that yes things can certainly be worse. This is as bad as it has ever been at Georgetown. And that's not hyperbole. It's not an acceptable defense to cling to "We could be DePaul." And, newsflash: We're getting there - fast. It wasn't a defense. I was just saying it could easily be worse than it's been - and that's true if JT3 is the coach or someone else. Yes, things are down but we have a long way until we are at DePaul's level. We made the NCAA tournament two seasons ago. When is the last time DePaul made it? Like I said this isn't a defense. Obviously the comparison for the program shouldn't be DePaul but until we've been awful under multiple coaches for a decade and not even sniffing the NCAA tournament, don't tell me it can't be worse. And Esherick made the NCAA tournament once ever. His record was not horrible because he didn't schedule hard OOC games but his last two seasons were awful.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 17, 2017 0:33:31 GMT -5
Sadly, I really felt that this game was a must win to have any chance to be above .500 and have a chance at a NIT bid this year. Is that anything to brag about, absolutely not, and if anything it shows just how far this program has fallen in the past 4-5 years. I never ever thought that this program would go back to back below .500 seasons. We never even sunk that low under Craig's leadership from 1999-2004. Last year JT III could use the injuries to White, Campbell, Agau, Hayes, as excuses. It will be tough to defend this season final record at the banquet in April. Pual, Ike, Campbell's mystery injury, whatever illness Trey has that he cannot get pt after getting some last year, whatever illness Reggie has that he cannot get pt after getting some last year, blah, blah, blah...
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 17, 2017 0:34:37 GMT -5
At $3m a year for a coach, you can find someone who can fix this. And right now GU has a brand but as I've been saying for three plus years, each day we watch these games that brand gets further diminished. Maybe we should have made the change after FGCU as I subtly suggested and we'd be competing with the Nova's, Creighton's, Butlers rather than the DePauls and St. Johns. The brand is generationally damaged. Everayone that I know that follows the team and remembers the glory years are 40 plus and up. Hyperbole abounding. Listen I get it. We stunk tonight. We aren't having a good season. But generationally damaged? Come on. The program was in the dumps in 2004 and quickly came back. We can do that again.
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Post by krukster201 on Jan 17, 2017 0:35:12 GMT -5
Eagle- Not meant to call posters out at all . I've been on this board for a very long time(My second handle). I've attended many games with many great guys/Die-Hard fans from this board through-out the years(Esh years included). I've seen rock bottom on this board (trust me.. it was ugly)and I've seen the High Points. Everyone is entitled to express their feelings the way they want. Sure many of us get upset and fly off the handle at times when expressing our current mood. This is a forum to discuss the team that we all love and support for most parts. At the end of the day , JT3 isn't going anywhere. So I've already instilled in my brain that Our cries will never be heard. All we can do is bare with the situation and keep it moving until we see changes. DO I wanna see changes? Of course that goes without saying. At this point, firing JT3 isn't the answer esp. halfway through Conf play. It's not happening either way. We all wanna win and we all wanna see improvement. One thing we shouldn't do is bash the players that's for sure. Other recruits read these threads and probably come away like "wow.. what a mess".. So for me , I will attempt to stay away when I'm in my feelings about the program. With that said , the Horrible feeling I have inside right now .. calls for a triple shot of REMY MARTIN. HOYAS4Life
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Post by prhoya on Jan 17, 2017 0:39:24 GMT -5
The brand is generationally damaged. Everayone that I know that follows the team and remembers the glory years are 40 plus and up. Hyperbole abounding. Listen I get it. We stunk tonight. We aren't having a good season. But generationally damaged? Come on. The program was in the dumps in 2004 and quickly came back. We can do that again. 2003 is saying we need a new coach!!!
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Post by justsaying on Jan 17, 2017 0:39:58 GMT -5
Typical hoyatalk. The guy on the bench is always some chosen one. Then once said guy starts playing you beat him down mercilessly in favor of the new guy on the bench. This is exactly right. The guy on the bench is always the savior of all of our ills, and almost invariably when they do play, they show why they've been riding the bench. This year's chosen son is Mourning, though it's been several different guys in past years (Hayes, Bowen, etc.). At least this year, the rotation has been pretty big anyway. The fact that pretty much everybody except Mourning (and Hines and Muresan, but they are walk ons and there was no expectation they would play) has gotten meaningful minutes is telling. interesting analysis from my post. no where in my post I offered a solution to losing. a comment on developing assets yes. if we can not see game in and game out the point of directed attacks then there is not much to talk about. constant pace is to take advantage of slow less mobile bigs. at the highest level of play (nba) the less mobile bigs are almost extinct
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Post by eagle54 on Jan 17, 2017 0:46:32 GMT -5
Eagle- Not meant to call posters out at all . I've been on this board for a very long time(My second handle). I've attended many games with many great guys/Die-Hard fans from this board through-out the years(Esh years included). I've seen rock bottom on this board (trust me.. it was ugly)and I've seen the High Points. Everyone is entitled to express their feelings the way they want. Sure many of us get upset and fly off the handle at times when expressing our current mood. This is a forum to discuss the team that we all love and support for most parts. At the end of the day , JT3 isn't going anywhere. So I've already instilled in my brain that Our cries will never be heard. All we can do is bare with the situation and keep it moving until we see changes. DO I wanna see changes? Of course that goes without saying. At this point, firing JT3 isn't the answer esp. halfway through Conf play. It's not happening either way. We all wanna win and we all wanna see improvement. One thing we shouldn't do is bash the players that's for sure. Other recruits read these threads and probably come away like "wow.. what a mess".. So for me , I will attempt to stay away when I'm in my feelings about the program. With that said , the Horrible feeling I have inside right now .. calls for a triple shot of REMY MARTIN. HOYAS4Life I hear you but I'll still be here pointing to the obvious that I have been for a few years. I disagree with your point on what the answer should be. Should have happened already. I've been following this program for decades but wasn't on this board for much of that time. Believe it or not, I'm not much of a message board type person but found this as a way to vent after our failures over and over. Now those failures seem like successes compared to these past couple of seasons. I'm not worried about recruits and whatever else as this is a mess and if recruits are only finding that out from reading this perhaps that is a bigger issue. I have no faith that this staff can fix this either through recruiting or coaching a game. We may have a good player coming in next year but will likely lose our better players from this year so won't move the needle unless that player is an AI type PG talent. Don't see it.
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Post by This Just In on Jan 17, 2017 0:48:06 GMT -5
Final Thoughts:
All joking aside I am not surprised the Hoyas lost, but was more surprised at how Ed Cooley's Providence team dominated the Hoyas after the team made a run. From about the 3:15 in the 1st half the Hoyas never got the deficit back to 4pts
Peak and Pryor 8/24 Fg's (.300), 25 pts
Cartwright and Bullock 14/30 Fg's (.466), 38 pts Kyron Cartwright 14pts, 11 asts, 9 rebs
Somehow the Friars have found another stud PG after Kris Dunn left as a top 5 NBA pick last year
Hoyas #'s 18/55 FG's, 32%, 5/23 3pts FG's, 21% 13 assts vs 15 to's
The entire 2nd half was dominated by the Providence Friars and was never in doubt... Gtown is tied with DePaul for last place in the Big East at 1-5 JTIII is now 1-7 vs Ed Cooley in the New Big East and have lost 6 in a row since 2014, now 3 years and counting since beating the Friars In 9 days will be the 1 year anniversary of beating a BE team not named DePaul or St. Johns, Jan. 26, 2015 (Creighton) The countdown is still on
Final Grade: F
From JTIII on down, everyone needs to do some soul searching as #22 Xavier is on deck
The game was never as close as the final score 75 to 56..a week ago the Hoyas made St. Johns look like a JV team
A week later, Providence made Gtown look like a JV team
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Post by prhoya on Jan 17, 2017 0:52:04 GMT -5
That's just bad. And we couldn't find an Ed Cooley type out there to coach? We really are scared of change. Well you know as one poster states the University will lose out on its alumni connections.. I assume that alumni likes the Hoyas being winless vs Providence since 2014 and losing 6 gms in a row to them "I don't know if you're being sarcastic..."
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Post by krukster201 on Jan 17, 2017 0:58:22 GMT -5
We shot 1-13 from 3pt in the first half and 4-10 2nd half (18-55 overall). Won't win many games shooting that way. The game was a disaster all the way around. What bothers me more is the fact that Prov isn't a good team and they came in our empty building and beat the breaks off us. The same team that recently lost to Depaul. It's just ugly. Whatever though , im over it already. Looking forward to the next spread.
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Post by eagle54 on Jan 17, 2017 1:01:04 GMT -5
We shot 1-13 from 3pt in the first half and 4-10 2nd half (18-55 overall). Won't win many games shooting that way. The game was a disaster all the way around. What bothers me more is the fact that Prov isn't a good team and they came in our empty building and beat the breaks off us. The same team that recently lost to Depaul. It's just ugly. Whatever though , im over it already. Looking forward to the next spread. You aren't worried about recruits reading this board, I think you are worried the bookmakers might figure out how bad we are from reading this.
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