eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Dec 22, 2016 21:44:10 GMT -5
I wonder if our effort to deny UNCG and others the 3point shot is impacting our ability to get position for the defensive rebound. Is there a tradeoff? Or do we just suck at boxing out. It's a possibility but I don't get the sense we have many players that want to do the dirty work. It's hard to imagine with the size we have that we aren't dominating on the boards but the size doesn't always translate. Others have pointed it out about certain players who had a mindset and I just don't think we have anyone who has that. At least with who's getting minutes currently. Maybe Mourning or someone else could bring a spark in that category.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 22, 2016 22:06:59 GMT -5
I wonder if our effort to deny UNCG and others the 3point shot is impacting our ability to get position for the defensive rebound. Is there a tradeoff? Or do we just suck at boxing out. It's a possibility but I don't get the sense we have many players that want to do the dirty work. It's hard to imagine with the size we have that we aren't dominating on the boards but the size doesn't always translate. Others have pointed it out about certain players who had a mindset and I just don't think we have anyone who has that. At least with who's getting minutes currently. Maybe Mourning or someone else could bring a spark in that category. All possible. IMO, it's a combination of a lack of natural instincts, a lack of fundamentals and a lack of lift. We have big dudes in Govan, Derrickson, Agau and BJ. None of those guys have good lift and don't get off of the floor quickly. Akoy is getting better as he's getting more healthy as is Marcus. But, if you don't have good instincts and below average lift, you're going to lose out to those that have one, the other, or both. Add to it that Govan and Bradley's hands are both a bit questionable and they both, at times, bring the balls down that they do grab and get stripped. When the ball is shot, they're ball watching a lot of the time as opposed to looking to pin a dude on their back. The execution isn't where they'd like it to be yet but there are more heads turning and looking for a man to box out in the past two games (unless I'm just forcing myself to be optimistic). I've liked how the guards are trying to get more involved with boarding. That can be a blessing and a curse with all of the threes that get put up. Sometimes, because our guards are trying to help the bigs down low, they're out of position on long rebounds from missed threes that lead to second chance threes. It's a bit of robbing Peter to pay Paul. The bigs need to improve so that the guards are freed up for the longer misses and in their natural positions.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 22, 2016 22:10:34 GMT -5
Most importantly, way to handle business Hoyas! Even though it has been finals week, the guys came out and worked start to end. That could have been a huge trap game and the guys went out and did their work. Well done. Happy Holidays to all.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 22, 2016 22:18:50 GMT -5
Most importantly, way to handle business Hoyas! Even though it has been finals week, the guys came out and worked start to end. That could have been a huge trap game and the guys went out and did their work. Well done. Happy Holidays to all. Exactly! Great win and a good way to start X-mas weekend!
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Post by tashoya on Dec 22, 2016 22:25:52 GMT -5
Most importantly, way to handle business Hoyas! Even though it has been finals week, the guys came out and worked start to end. That could have been a huge trap game and the guys went out and did their work. Well done. Happy Holidays to all. Exactly! Great win and a good way to start X-mas weekend! I'm also a sucker for the camera shots of the kiddos at the Booth at the game mugging for the camera especially this time of year. To the Hoya parents bringing their kids along, thanks for the smiles you provided me. Much appreciated.
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Post by grandmahoya on Dec 22, 2016 22:30:03 GMT -5
Good, positive win to take into the holiday season. Loved the Jesse Govan show. Noticed that Trey Mourning has a natural affinity for rebounding, in the limited minutes he has played. Would love to see him on the court for longer stretches. All in all a great way to move forward with confidence, as we head into conference play. Go Hoyas. Beat Marquette!
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Post by centercourt400s on Dec 22, 2016 22:41:36 GMT -5
Props to Mulmore, Campbell, Mosely, Peak, etc who made breaking the press look routine tonight. They've clearly been practicing.
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Post by GUJook97 on Dec 22, 2016 22:41:56 GMT -5
I thought we played really well today. And count me in as one who thinks UNCG was quite good. I guess the difference is that they weren't a good 3 shooting team.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 22, 2016 22:48:52 GMT -5
I thought we played really well today. And count me in as one who thinks UNCG was quite good. I guess the difference is that they weren't a good 3 shooting team. Strangely, their season stats would suggest otherwise. I think they were off and that was compounded by better switches on the perimeter by our Hoyas.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 22, 2016 22:53:24 GMT -5
Props to Mulmore, Campbell, Mosely, Peak, etc who made breaking the press look routine tonight. They've clearly been practicing. LJ looked more like early last year LJ on offense to me tonight but it didn't matter. As Ronnie Thompson mentioned with regard to Mulmore, with the ball in your hand as the de facto point in an offensive set, if you look left and look right and there's no pass to be made, drive the ball. LJ did that as he has since day one. LJ is also becoming one of, if not the best, defender on this team. He's working every play. He didn't do that his freshman year. He did for the second half of last year and he's stepped that up another notch this year. Pryor may put up bigger numbers on the offensive end but LJ is the best all around player on this squad. I don't mean that at all as a shot at Rodney as he's solid on defense as well and makes solid recovery plays fairly often. But LJ is dialed in. It's not going to make highlight shows but that guy is working his ass off.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Dec 22, 2016 23:00:57 GMT -5
Props to Mulmore, Campbell, Mosely, Peak, etc who made breaking the press look routine tonight. They've clearly been practicing. LJ looked more like early last year LJ on offense to me tonight but it didn't matter. As Ronnie Thompson mentioned with regard to Mulmore, with the ball in your hand as the de facto point in an offensive set, if you look left and look right and there's no pass to be made, drive the ball. LJ did that as he has since day one. LJ is also becoming one of, if not the best, defender on this team. He's working every play. He didn't do that his freshman year. He did for the second half of last year and he's stepped that up another notch this year. Pryor may put up bigger numbers on the offensive end but LJ is the best all around player on this squad. I don't mean that at all as a shot at Rodney as he's solid on defense as well and makes solid recovery plays fairly often. But LJ is dialed in. It's not going to make highlight shows but that guy is working his ass off. I was at the game tonight and LJ was gassed. Not sure why he played all the minutes at the end. Also, JTIII can't play tre and kaleb at same time. Too much offensive ineptitude there. Same w four guard lineup. Otherwise, great game and keep working on rebounding fellas!!
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Post by tashoya on Dec 22, 2016 23:08:02 GMT -5
LJ looked more like early last year LJ on offense to me tonight but it didn't matter. As Ronnie Thompson mentioned with regard to Mulmore, with the ball in your hand as the de facto point in an offensive set, if you look left and look right and there's no pass to be made, drive the ball. LJ did that as he has since day one. LJ is also becoming one of, if not the best, defender on this team. He's working every play. He didn't do that his freshman year. He did for the second half of last year and he's stepped that up another notch this year. Pryor may put up bigger numbers on the offensive end but LJ is the best all around player on this squad. I don't mean that at all as a shot at Rodney as he's solid on defense as well and makes solid recovery plays fairly often. But LJ is dialed in. It's not going to make highlight shows but that guy is working his ass off. I was at the game tonight and LJ was gassed. Not sure why he played all the minutes at the end. Also, JTIII can't play tre and kaleb at same time. Too much offensive ineptitude there. Same w four guard lineup. Otherwise, great game and keep working on rebounding fellas!! I'm not surprised that he was gassed. He's going all out. I love that about him. I agree with you with regard to Tre and Kaleb though, surprisingly, Kaleb's 3 stroke is far better than his freethrow stroke. That's just odd to me for a guy that's not 6'10"+. Does anyone else notice that Pryor doesn't even sweat? Dude looks like he's freshly showered at the end of a game. His fitness level must be ridiculous for as hard as he plays.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 22, 2016 23:16:49 GMT -5
I thought we played really well today. And count me in as one who thinks UNCG was quite good. I guess the difference is that they weren't a good 3 shooting team. Coming in they were shooting 38% from 3 as a team with several guys who shot 40+% from 3. They sure didn't look like it tonight. Whether that was our D or just being off or likely a combination. But they rely heavily on the 3 ball and that wasn't there for them today. EDIT: Pregame they had 5 players who shot 39.7 or above from 3 after tonight they are down to 3 players who shoot that well.
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Dec 22, 2016 23:28:47 GMT -5
One step at a time. Progress.
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Just Cos
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Post by Just Cos on Dec 23, 2016 5:49:03 GMT -5
Agree with braski on lineups. III has to be smarter about the lineups on the floor. I also cannot stand the defense rebounding.
Put it this way team the team for dives for balls which is exceptional but odd because that has not happened in the past. But what is happening with the rebounds? Who are these people that don't want to put the effort into rebounding? Find a person to put your butt into them. Drives me nuts.
This was a game that we needed and I'm so glad the team showed up.
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Post by Just Cos on Dec 23, 2016 6:03:29 GMT -5
Oh and for all you fire coach is my mantra f-ers...thanks for waiting For the season to end.
Recognize that a season is 30+ games and that Georgetown will always be more than wins and losses. We may lose from here on out but I love what we stand for as a team and a university.
I have my doubts about firing III but for you drum beating bitches...what is your end game? This is a talk board.
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Post by calhoya on Dec 23, 2016 8:13:37 GMT -5
Team is definitely making progress. Having heard the score I was able to watch the game without too much emotional turmoil. Rebounding is still incredibly poor particularly when you consider the size of the Hoyas compared to most of their opponents. Inexcusable. Govan has really developed over the past few weeks. Light bulb seems to have gone on at both ends of the court. Still expect some hiccups, which is why it is critical to get Hayes going. He is still a one-trick pony on offense and right now that trick is not working. MD seems to improve a little each game and that is necessary because Agau is still more of a role/depth player and does not offer enough in the starting lineup. Last night his first 5 minutes had 2 fouls and 2 TOs. Like JT III using his depth at pg to play the kid whose game is on. Really going to be interesting to see what happens next year with 3 PGs returning and Waters. Do not really see Mulmore or Mosley playing any other position yet. Coach needs to get Cameron in the game more. The kid will be needed and giving him a few minutes of "real time" each game is essential when down the road we are facing foul trouble or cold shooting nights for MD/Pryor. A record of 8-4 is okay all things considered but it should have been 10-2. Watched Arkansas State lose to a mediocre Alabama team this week and got a headache.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Dec 23, 2016 8:16:49 GMT -5
This was a very good sign, if only because this is what good teams do to decent mid-major teams. It's not realistic to blow them out, but good teams beat them handily, and that's what we did. We haven't really done that in the last two years. And that was with our two scorers and our primary inside threat (Brad) not really having great offensive games (a combined 7-21 from the field).
Marcus and Jesse are the keys offensively going forward, because (if they're on) they give us lineups in which all five guys on the court are good three-point threats. (Ironically, our point guard will be the worst three-point option of the bunch!) Jesse isn't always going to be "on" like he was in this one, obviously, but the key is that other teams are going to have to defend him hard now. And what that does -- and we saw it last night -- is open up the driving lanes for others and open up the back-door cuts. We turned it over looking for the back-door a few times, but we'll get better at that.
I thought our ball movement today was outstanding. Really, really quick with the ball and attacking where we had the opportunity. We're clearly getting more comfortable with one another.
Defensively, I know others didn't, but I actually liked the full-court pressure. We haven't tried a true 1-2-1-1 press too often this year, but we started that way in this one. And this was a real press -- not the 1-2-2 where you're just trying to slow the other team down -- where you're aggressively trapping. We didn't really get anything out of it, but they didn't score very many easy ones against it either, so I didn't think it hurt us. The bottom line is that I think it just gives us another option, particularly since our full-court man with the trap hasn't done much good. We can always take it off quickly.
We still allow too much penetration off high screen-rolls, but you can tell the guys in there now at least know what they're doing in terms of rotations. That is, it may not always work out, but the thought process, effort, and execution seem to be there. Basically everything was contested, and that's all you can ask for. Mulmore is turning into a very confident and effective defensive pest against opposing ones. That can be a weapon, and one we haven't had in a long time.
Yes, defensive rebounding is still a huge problem. We would have been ahead by 25 points (literally) with five to go in the first half if we could rebound, since I think they basically scored 90% of their hoops on second-chance points to that stage. We can improve, but I don't think it'll ever be an area we're good at. Our 5s just aren't really good rebounders, and that part isn't correctable. Jesse just isn't strong enough to deal with bigger 5s. There were a couple times I saw where he did look to box out and he just got (legally) moved out of the way. And Brad is big and strong enough, but he's not athletic enough to out rebound anyone with lift. I think we CAN improve at the four. Marcus is a good fundamental rebounder and Agau is athletic enough, so we ought to do better at that spot.
Bottom line: We won. And we won them all after Maui. Obviously, we've had hiccups, but we seem to genuinely be improving as the year progresses, and we're clearly in position to make the Tournament (at a minimum) if we hold serve in the league and earn one or two "upsets" along the way. Let's not get ahead of ourselves, the only decent-to-good team we've beaten this year is Oregon, so my guess is that there'll be some more hiccups ahead. It's inevitable, particularly since virtually everyone in the league is (at minimum) decent. But at least now I feel comfortable entering league play that we'll be competitive against virtually anyone.
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Post by TBird41 on Dec 23, 2016 8:33:33 GMT -5
Props to Mulmore, Campbell, Mosely, Peak, etc who made breaking the press look routine tonight. They've clearly been practicing. You wouldn't have guessed it based on how easily the Hoyas handled the press, but UNCG's defense is top 25 in the nation in turnover percentage, ahead of teams like Louisville and VCU. That was a fantastic job by the Hoya guards.
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Post by bostonfan on Dec 23, 2016 8:38:46 GMT -5
It's a possibility but I don't get the sense we have many players that want to do the dirty work. It's hard to imagine with the size we have that we aren't dominating on the boards but the size doesn't always translate. Others have pointed it out about certain players who had a mindset and I just don't think we have anyone who has that. At least with who's getting minutes currently. Maybe Mourning or someone else could bring a spark in that category. All possible. IMO, it's a combination of a lack of natural instincts, a lack of fundamentals and a lack of lift. We have big dudes in Govan, Derrickson, Agau and BJ. None of those guys have good lift and don't get off of the floor quickly. Akoy is getting better as he's getting more healthy as is Marcus. But, if you don't have good instincts and below average lift, you're going to lose out to those that have one, the other, or both. Add to it that Govan and Bradley's hands are both a bit questionable and they both, at times, bring the balls down that they do grab and get stripped. When the ball is shot, they're ball watching a lot of the time as opposed to looking to pin a dude on their back. The execution isn't where they'd like it to be yet but there are more heads turning and looking for a man to box out in the past two games (unless I'm just forcing myself to be optimistic). I've liked how the guards are trying to get more involved with boarding. That can be a blessing and a curse with all of the threes that get put up. Sometimes, because our guards are trying to help the bigs down low, they're out of position on long rebounds from missed threes that lead to second chance threes. It's a bit of robbing Peter to pay Paul. The bigs need to improve so that the guards are freed up for the longer misses and in their natural positions. It is just a case of making rebounding a priority for everyone on the team. They have players with the size and athleticism to be good rebounders but sometimes it looks like some of the players are more interested in getting out on the break and scoring, then securing the rebound first. The bigs on this team are not the most mobile guys so rebounding out of their area is going to be a problem for them, but if all the wing players make it a priority to rebound first they should be able to easily overcome the lack of mobility from the bigs.
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