DallasHoya
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Post by DallasHoya on Dec 12, 2016 22:21:38 GMT -5
I was thinking more of Kaleb and its effect on Keldon. For the most improved player, he's seeing little pt. I'm guessing JT3 knows the early record is not good, and will run his best players to the ground to get the now-crucial Ws. What effect will that have in March? Stay tuned. If anything this will open more time for Mourning. And frankly I though Mourning was playing much better than Copeland was at the 4. I still think though that the major mistake was not playing Copeland at the 3 exclusively where he would have a size advantage. JTIII couldn't play Copeland as a three because he had zero handle, which is a necessity for a three in college ball.
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njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Dec 12, 2016 22:24:56 GMT -5
My reaction is, unfortunately, merely ambivalence. Had we seen the freshman year Isaac, I'd be feeling a lot differently.
Hopefully he finds a program where he can be a contributor, and resurrect his career. Good luck, Ike!
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Post by deacon on Dec 12, 2016 22:28:35 GMT -5
I was thinking more of Kaleb and its effect on Keldon. For the most improved player, he's seeing little pt. I'm guessing JT3 knows the early record is not good, and will run his best players to the ground to get the now-crucial Ws. What effect will that have in March? Stay tuned. If anything this will open more time for Mourning. And frankly I though Mourning was playing much better than Copeland was at the 4. I still think though that the major mistake was not playing Copeland at the 3 exclusively where he would have a size advantage. It wasn't a mistake because you could be 7'1" but it doesn't matter if you don't have three skills, which he doesn't possess.
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Post by deacon on Dec 12, 2016 22:32:41 GMT -5
If anything this will open more time for Mourning. And frankly I though Mourning was playing much better than Copeland was at the 4. I still think though that the major mistake was not playing Copeland at the 3 exclusively where he would have a size advantage. JTIII couldn't play Copeland as a three because he had zero handle, which is a necessity for a three in college ball. If you can't create, shoot or defend other wing players, then what exactly do you do at the 3 that should dictate you play at all?
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 12, 2016 22:37:08 GMT -5
There's no way with his tape he ends up in the ACC or SEC unless he's at a bottom feeder. Not sure if you know something about his academics but I don't think that was his problem but then again I don't know that it wasn't. His problem seemed more like someone who couldn't defend at 6'9" or shoot. I say he goes down a level and doesn't play power five unless he's in a struggling program. Maybe he talked to Dr. G after the LaSalle game for such a quick announcement? His tape shows an excellent freshman year, a good first half of his sophomore year, and problems since then. If I'm a coach in a top conference with a need for a SF and an open scholarship, I take a chance with a former five star. Either he does well on the team and contributes, or he struggles to make a mark and leaves after a year or so. Low risk high reward. Maybe like Josh Smith was for us? Potential unrealized.
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Post by Buckets on Dec 12, 2016 22:39:07 GMT -5
At least now between Whittington, Domingo, Cameron, White, and Copeland, we now have a full starting 5 from 2011-14 of highly regarded players who were unable to succeed here.
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Post by eagle54 on Dec 12, 2016 22:39:10 GMT -5
His tape shows an excellent freshman year, a good first half of his sophomore year, and problems since then. If I'm a coach in a top conference with a need for a SF and an open scholarship, I take a chance with a former five star. Either he does well on the team and contributes, or he struggles to make a mark and leaves after a year or so. Low risk high reward. Maybe like Josh Smith for us? Potential unrealized. We'll see. That's the only thing I'm interested in here. I think it's the right move for the program to move on as he was a tremendous liability this year. Also, did Josh Smith realize his potential with us or maybe you are just saying that is what we were hopeful of?
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Post by eagle54 on Dec 12, 2016 22:43:08 GMT -5
At least now between Whittington, Domingo, Cameron, White, and Copeland, we now have a full starting 5 from 2011-14 of highly regarded players who were unable to succeed here. You might need to go back to the G graphic.
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 12, 2016 22:43:16 GMT -5
Maybe like Josh Smith for us? Potential unrealized. We'll see. That's the only thing I'm interested in here. I think it's the right move for the program to move on as he was a tremendous liability this year. Also, did Josh Smith realize his potential with us or maybe you are just saying that is what we were hopeful of? The latter. There was high hopes that Smith would be the missing piece for the Hoyas and that the fans were much more hopeful for greater impact by him. All in all, it was a shot in the dark that IMO didn't really make that much difference. So some other major program may take a chance on Copeland and maybe it doesn't pan out and WYSIWYG.
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Post by trillesthoya on Dec 12, 2016 22:50:46 GMT -5
We'll see. That's the only thing I'm interested in here. I think it's the right move for the program to move on as he was a tremendous liability this year. Also, did Josh Smith realize his potential with us or maybe you are just saying that is what we were hopeful of? The latter. There was high hopes that Smith would be the missing piece for the Hoyas and that the fans were much more hopeful for greater impact by him. All in all, it was a shot in the dark that IMO didn't really make that much difference. So some other major program may take a chance on Copeland and maybe it doesn't pan out and WYSIWYG. I see your point, but it's different. We had no choice but to continually play Josh at center since he was our only serviceable center those two years. Moses was a mess. Mikael brought much needed defense but caused problems on offense. IMO it's a lot easier to replace a small forward than it is a center. Also, Josh's problem was mostly weight and effort. If he had kept his weight off he would've been great on our team. Isaac's problem obviously isn't weight, and while I know people like to tear apart his performance on this site I don't know if it's effort either. I don't know if anyone here really knows what his problem was and why he regressed, but if i'm a coach at an acc/sec/big ten school I take the chance to find out.
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Post by Hoyaholic on Dec 12, 2016 23:10:26 GMT -5
I was suspicious of the "eye injury", but his body language on the bench seemed pretty positive on TV lately, so this really did catch me off guard.
Oh well. Best of luck to you, Ike. Thanks for hitting that 3 against Butler at my little boy's first Hoya game. Priceless memory.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 12, 2016 23:13:25 GMT -5
I was thinking more of Kaleb and its effect on Keldon. For the most improved player, he's seeing little pt. I'm guessing JT3 knows the early record is not good, and will run his best players to the ground to get the now-crucial Ws. What effect will that have in March? Stay tuned. If anything this will open more time for Mourning. And frankly I though Mourning was playing much better than Copeland was at the 4. I still think though that the major mistake was not playing Copeland at the 3 exclusively where he would have a size advantage. But at the 3, he would've been competing for pt vs. Kaleb. I hope Kaleb gets more pt or we could have another not so happy camper.
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Dec 12, 2016 23:14:31 GMT -5
Not surprised. Wish him well. I hope he makes the most out of his second chance.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 12, 2016 23:14:50 GMT -5
I was suspicious of the "eye injury", but his body language on the bench seemed pretty positive on TV lately, so this really did catch me off guard. Oh well. Best of luck to you, Ike. Thanks for hitting that 3 against Butler at my little boy's first Hoya game. Priceless memory. I actually think it's plausible that it's the injury that gave him the push to transfer. He can apply for a medical redshirt, and possibly get the year back and have more time somewhere else to develop.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 12, 2016 23:15:36 GMT -5
I was suspicious of the "eye injury", but his body language on the bench seemed pretty positive on TV lately, so this really did catch me off guard. Except for that shaking No of the head when JT3 asked him something, which was interpreted as you want to play?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 12, 2016 23:18:49 GMT -5
At least now between Whittington, Domingo, Cameron, White, and Copeland, we now have a full starting 5 from 2011-14 of highly regarded players who were unable to succeed here. Whittington didn't succeed because he couldn't cut it academically and other problems. Don't forget he initially was going to transfer to Rutgers, then pulled out of there too. I have no idea what was going on with him, but whatever it was, it extended well past Georgetown. Domingo really wasn't all that well regarded and hasn't done anything at California. Cameron, I agree hasn't succeeded to the degree one might have expected. White, arguably was a success his freshman year and played pretty well. Then he got injured sophomore year and left. Copeland obviously has had problems beyond a good freshman year. As far as recruiting was concerned, I think it's fair to call Copeland and White as highly regarded - not sure I would apply that to the others.
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Dec 12, 2016 23:18:53 GMT -5
I think TAS owes me some cash as he lost the bet that he'd never put the mask on and play. Obviously he could have done that but chose not to. Hate to say I'm right again boys but I think I am.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 12, 2016 23:20:21 GMT -5
I think TAS owes me some cash as he lost the bet that he'd never put the mask on and play. Obviously he could have done that but chose not to. Hate to say I'm right again boys but I think I am. Again, you have a absolutely no idea what's going on behind the scenes, so I think TAS's money is safe.
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Dec 12, 2016 23:21:46 GMT -5
I think TAS owes me some cash as he lost the bet that he'd never put the mask on and play. Obviously he could have done that but chose not to. Hate to say I'm right again boys but I think I am. Again, you have a absolutely no idea what's going on behind the scenes, so I think TAS's money is safe. He didn't know either but my prediction was right regardless of what was going on.
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Post by Buckets on Dec 12, 2016 23:27:43 GMT -5
At least now between Whittington, Domingo, Cameron, White, and Copeland, we now have a full starting 5 from 2011-14 of highly regarded players who were unable to succeed here. You might need to go back to the G graphic. True. I normally get very excited for season tipoff but found that after last season I was totally disinterested this November. So I've seen about five minutes of action this season and Ike's still #1 in my mind.
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