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Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 13, 2022 18:34:01 GMT -5
Like I said, I knew it wouldn’t be a popular opinion.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 13, 2022 19:21:36 GMT -5
Like I said, I knew it wouldn’t be a popular opinion. I know it wouldn't be popular, and that's because of his baggage. And, I acknowledge that it is something that gives me pause. But, on balance, it's a move that makes a lot of sense: - Pitino is Hall of Fame coach. - Pitino's kid went to Georgetown. - Pitino has respect for Big John. When Big John passed, Pitino tweeted: "RIP Big John. He gave so much to his players and Georgetown. His program defined hard work, perseverance, and loyalty. As the proud father of several Hoyas, he will be greatly missed by the whole Pitino family." - Pitino has history with Providence in the Big East. It would be a coming home of sorts. - Pitino has already demonstrated he can turn around a team, like Iona, that doesn't even have talent. At Georgetown, Pitino would get much better talent than he has at Iona. - I would be willing to bet Pitino, if hired in March or April, would have us back in the NCAA tournament within 3 years, and much likely within 2. And, we badly need a turnaround given how bad a position we are in now. - Did I mention he's a Hall of Fame coach? The fact is, nobody else with that record is going to come through the doors. And I saw someone mention Brey, but even Brey isn't coming to Georgetown in all likelihood, and most fans would hate his style of play, which is very, very, very slow (297th highest tempo this year). The main negative on Pitino, of course are the scandals, but I think Georgetown could handle that. I think alumni would throw an absolute fit if we hired Pitino (even though it makes sense), and then they'd be thrilled in 2-3 years when we were competitive again.
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 13, 2022 19:48:39 GMT -5
A refresher on Pitino scandals. I can't see him receiving any serious consideration, especially with respect to the Karen Sypher pregnancy and abortion scandal. How desparate are we to be relevant? In 2009, Pitino revealed that he was the victim of an extortion attempt. During the ensuing investigation, he claimed that he had a sexual encounter with Karen Cunagin Sypher in 2003 and paid for her abortion after she became pregnant. www.businessinsider.com/looking-back-on-the-biggest-scandals-from-rick-pitinos-career-2017-9
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Post by prhoya on Feb 13, 2022 19:52:45 GMT -5
Like I said, I knew it wouldn’t be a popular opinion. I know it wouldn't be popular, and that's because of his baggage. And, I acknowledge that it is something that gives me pause. But, on balance, it's a move that makes a lot of sense: - Pitino is Hall of Fame coach. - Pitino's kid went to Georgetown. - Pitino has respect for Big John. When Big John passed, Pitino tweeted: "RIP Big John. He gave so much to his players and Georgetown. His program defined hard work, perseverance, and loyalty. As the proud father of several Hoyas, he will be greatly missed by the whole Pitino family." - Pitino has history with Providence in the Big East. It would be a coming home of sorts. - Pitino has already demonstrated he can turn around a team, like Iona, that doesn't even have talent. At Georgetown, Pitino would get much better talent than he has at Iona. - I would be willing to bet Pitino, if hired in March or April, would have us back in the NCAA tournament within 3 years, and much likely within 2. And, we badly need a turnaround given how bad a position we are in now. - Did I mention he's a Hall of Fame coach? The fact is, nobody else with that record is going to come through the doors. And I saw someone mention Brey, but even Brey isn't coming to Georgetown in all likelihood, and most fans would hate his style of play, which is very, very, very slow (297th highest tempo this year). The main negative on Pitino, of course are the scandals, but I think Georgetown could handle that. I think alumni would throw an absolute fit if we hired Pitino (even though it makes sense), and then they'd be thrilled in 2-3 years when we were competitive again. John Thompson taught us that second chances are important and lead to success.
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Post by Buckets on Feb 13, 2022 20:32:39 GMT -5
Head Basketball Coach, Georgetown UniversityQualifications include:- Relevant in the Big East in the 80s -- must be recognizable to people over 70
- Career peaked 25-30 years ago
- Associated with NYC and consequently vastly overrated by people from there
- Sexual activity in a club/restaurant detailed in an FBI investigation
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Post by TC on Feb 13, 2022 20:38:59 GMT -5
If we dress Kim English up in a giant Alf suit for his interview, would it hurt his chances, or help his chances? I'm starting to think disguising a young coach as an 80's icon is the only way we get a young coach.
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 13, 2022 20:43:33 GMT -5
I'd rather take a chance on Mike Jones, former DeMatha coach now an assistant at Va Tech, than Pitino. In a sense, that'd be back to the John Thompson model of hiring and Jones even has at least one year of Division I experience.
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Post by gunny on Feb 13, 2022 20:44:38 GMT -5
If we dress Kim English up in a giant Alf suit for his interview, would it hurt his chances, or help his chances? I'm starting to think disguising a young coach as an 80's icon is the only way we get a young coach. I don't get the love for English. He is a first year coach of a middle of the pack A10 team. He is young, but seems to be a big gamble.
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 13, 2022 20:47:01 GMT -5
If we dress Kim English up in a giant Alf suit for his interview, would it hurt his chances, or help his chances? I'm starting to think disguising a young coach as an 80's icon is the only way we get a young coach. I don't get the love for English. He is a first year coach of a middle of the pack A10 team. He is young, but seems to be a big gamble. Would you prefer Pitino over English?
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Post by Buckets on Feb 13, 2022 20:47:08 GMT -5
If we dress Kim English up in a giant Alf suit for his interview, would it hurt his chances, or help his chances? I'm starting to think disguising a young coach as an 80's icon is the only way we get a young coach. We're gonna let Luke Murray bring Bill in and do the interview Step Brothers-style.
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Post by gunny on Feb 13, 2022 20:52:22 GMT -5
I don't get the love for English. He is a first year coach of a middle of the pack A10 team. He is young, but seems to be a big gamble. Would you prefer Pitino over English? I would take Dennis Gates (Cleveland State) or Matt McMahon (Murray State).
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Post by drquigley on Feb 13, 2022 20:56:31 GMT -5
He absolutely has a "checkered" past. But the guy knows more about coaching than anyone alive (even Jay Wright). He has a 70% winning record but is especially good at turning terrible programs around (BU and Providence and now Iona). Like I said he was good enough for the Christian brothers at Iona and had no problems with the Dominicans at Providence. Look, if we finish 0-19 in the BE I think it is at least worth a phone call. If nothing else letting the college bball world now we are talking to Pitino would show that that the GU administration is serious about its basketball program. But yeah, you're right, they never will.
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Post by hoya9797 on Feb 13, 2022 21:03:29 GMT -5
We should hire Pitino or John Beilein. We need someone with real experience to fix this disaster Ewing has created.
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Post by gunny on Feb 13, 2022 21:04:20 GMT -5
He absolutely has a "checkered" past. But the guy knows more about coaching than anyone alive (even Jay Wright). He has a 70% winning record but is especially good at turning terrible programs around (BU and Providence and now Iona). Like I said he was good enough for the Christian brothers at Iona and had no problems with the Dominicans at Providence. Look, if we finish 0-19 in the BE I think it is at least worth a phone call. If nothing else letting the college bball world now we are talking to Pitino would show that that the GU administration is serious about its basketball program. But yeah, you're right, they never will. He also did well in Kentucky when they were dealing with the Sutton scandals.
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Post by TC on Feb 13, 2022 21:17:04 GMT -5
If we dress Kim English up in a giant Alf suit for his interview, would it hurt his chances, or help his chances? I'm starting to think disguising a young coach as an 80's icon is the only way we get a young coach. I don't get the love for English. He is a first year coach of a middle of the pack A10 team. He is young, but seems to be a big gamble. I'd much rather have Ed Cooley or Mitch Henderson or any number of coaches with 4 years or more of experience, but I think Pitino is more of a gamble than English. You're basically hoping he can have a better experience with the Admissions Office and Academic Deans than Ewing had, and I don't see any evidence to think that Pitino could do that. At least English has a clean record so far - Pitino would go down in a ball of flames like the 2019 team.
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 13, 2022 21:52:28 GMT -5
He absolutely has a "checkered" past. But the guy knows more about coaching than anyone alive (even Jay Wright). He has a 70% winning record but is especially good at turning terrible programs around (BU and Providence and now Iona). Like I said he was good enough for the Christian brothers at Iona and had no problems with the Dominicans at Providence. Look, if we finish 0-19 in the BE I think it is at least worth a phone call. If nothing else letting the college bball world now we are talking to Pitino would show that that the GU administration is serious about its basketball program. But yeah, you're right, they never will. I highly doubt Pitino would ever come to Gtown, think he'd go to a P5 school or stay where he is.
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Post by gunny on Feb 13, 2022 22:20:27 GMT -5
I don't get the love for English. He is a first year coach of a middle of the pack A10 team. He is young, but seems to be a big gamble. I'd much rather have Ed Cooley or Mitch Henderson or any number of coaches with 4 years or more of experience, but I think Pitino is more of a gamble than English. You're basically hoping he can have a better experience with the Admissions Office and Academic Deans than Ewing had, and I don't see any evidence to think that Pitino could do that. At least English has a clean record so far - Pitino would go down in a ball of flames like the 2019 team. I hope that we are able to have a thread in March debating new head coaching candidates.
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Post by EasyEd on Feb 13, 2022 22:32:09 GMT -5
A refresher on Pitino scandals. I can't see him receiving any serious consideration, especially with respect to the Karen Sypher pregnancy and abortion scandal. How desparate are we to be relevant? In 2009, Pitino revealed that he was the victim of an extortion attempt. During the ensuing investigation, he claimed that he had a sexual encounter with Karen Cunagin Sypher in 2003 and paid for her abortion after she became pregnant. www.businessinsider.com/looking-back-on-the-biggest-scandals-from-rick-pitinos-career-2017-9How is this a scandal? Didn't the woman have the right to choose?
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 13, 2022 23:03:03 GMT -5
Like I said, I knew it wouldn’t be a popular opinion. I know it wouldn't be popular, and that's because of his baggage. And, I acknowledge that it is something that gives me pause. But, on balance, it's a move that makes a lot of sense: - Pitino is Hall of Fame coach. - Pitino's kid went to Georgetown. - Pitino has respect for Big John. When Big John passed, Pitino tweeted: "RIP Big John. He gave so much to his players and Georgetown. His program defined hard work, perseverance, and loyalty. As the proud father of several Hoyas, he will be greatly missed by the whole Pitino family." - Pitino has history with Providence in the Big East. It would be a coming home of sorts. - Pitino has already demonstrated he can turn around a team, like Iona, that doesn't even have talent. At Georgetown, Pitino would get much better talent than he has at Iona. - I would be willing to bet Pitino, if hired in March or April, would have us back in the NCAA tournament within 3 years, and much likely within 2. And, we badly need a turnaround given how bad a position we are in now. - Did I mention he's a Hall of Fame coach? The fact is, nobody else with that record is going to come through the doors. And I saw someone mention Brey, but even Brey isn't coming to Georgetown in all likelihood, and most fans would hate his style of play, which is very, very, very slow (297th highest tempo this year). The main negative on Pitino, of course are the scandals, but I think Georgetown could handle that. I think alumni would throw an absolute fit if we hired Pitino (even though it makes sense), and then they'd be thrilled in 2-3 years when we were competitive again. I mentioned Brey as an example of the completely uninspiring hire were likely to get with the next head coach.
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Post by iowa80 on Feb 13, 2022 23:14:56 GMT -5
I know it wouldn't be popular, and that's because of his baggage. And, I acknowledge that it is something that gives me pause. But, on balance, it's a move that makes a lot of sense: - Pitino is Hall of Fame coach. - Pitino's kid went to Georgetown. - Pitino has respect for Big John. When Big John passed, Pitino tweeted: "RIP Big John. He gave so much to his players and Georgetown. His program defined hard work, perseverance, and loyalty. As the proud father of several Hoyas, he will be greatly missed by the whole Pitino family." - Pitino has history with Providence in the Big East. It would be a coming home of sorts. - Pitino has already demonstrated he can turn around a team, like Iona, that doesn't even have talent. At Georgetown, Pitino would get much better talent than he has at Iona. - I would be willing to bet Pitino, if hired in March or April, would have us back in the NCAA tournament within 3 years, and much likely within 2. And, we badly need a turnaround given how bad a position we are in now. - Did I mention he's a Hall of Fame coach? The fact is, nobody else with that record is going to come through the doors. And I saw someone mention Brey, but even Brey isn't coming to Georgetown in all likelihood, and most fans would hate his style of play, which is very, very, very slow (297th highest tempo this year). The main negative on Pitino, of course are the scandals, but I think Georgetown could handle that. I think alumni would throw an absolute fit if we hired Pitino (even though it makes sense), and then they'd be thrilled in 2-3 years when we were competitive again. John Thompson taught us that second chances are important and lead to success. And then there's the number of chances Pitino has had.
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