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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2022 6:33:58 GMT -5
Good old Eagle54. Dude spearheaded the Fire JTIII movement and then Keyser Soze-ed this place after he was fired. And just like that...(poh)... he reappeared.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 9, 2022 7:52:23 GMT -5
Good old Eagle54. Dude spearheaded the Fire JTIII movement and then Keyser Soze-ed this place after he was fired. And just like that...(poh)... he reappeared. I’m not sure who you’re referring to as being Eagle54 here…if it’s me, then no.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2022 7:54:23 GMT -5
And just like that...(poh)... he reappeared. I’m not sure who you’re referring to as being Eagle54 here…if it’s me, then no. Not you.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Feb 9, 2022 23:35:43 GMT -5
Don't know who you are referring to, but i guess he comes in time whenever we see hot garbage on the court
Looking at him negatively: guy got an agenda to get rid of Thompsons from the school regardless of the performance, thus he is bad Looking at him positively: guy got passion to speak about 'inconvenient facts' regarding the performance, thus he is good
which one
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Post by tafkashfsee on Feb 11, 2022 17:13:05 GMT -5
Except that it's college basketball and the energy should be led by the students, who come from all over the country/globe. They're not even showing up, let alone showing enthuiasm. Georgetown has 7,600 undergraduates (approximately). At any given time, there are probably at least 50% who would never bother attending a game out of lack of interest. Maybe as high as 60% or even higher. So let's say 15% attended. That's 1,140. Or let's be generous - even 25% of the ENTIRE student body would be only 1,900 people. Now, 25% is totally unrealistic - I am just using the numbers to demonstrate that student turnout really doesn't affect overall attendance much. I mean, if 10% of the student body shows up on any given day, that's 760 people. Ultimately, it's not making a huge difference to the overall attendance number, though obviously it would be nice to have them anyway. That's why I keep telling you, you need a compelling figure to bring the crowds to the games. And who is that crowd? The regular DMV folks and not so much the Georgetown student body. We haven't had a compelling figure since Thompson and Ewing in which case we had two compelling figures. If Patrick can turn this around with the right players with low transfers out, and we start winning, trust me that stadium will fill up. Everybody in the DMV love Patrick Ewing; he is the compelling figure.
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Post by gunny on Feb 11, 2022 17:15:11 GMT -5
Georgetown has 7,600 undergraduates (approximately). At any given time, there are probably at least 50% who would never bother attending a game out of lack of interest. Maybe as high as 60% or even higher. So let's say 15% attended. That's 1,140. Or let's be generous - even 25% of the ENTIRE student body would be only 1,900 people. Now, 25% is totally unrealistic - I am just using the numbers to demonstrate that student turnout really doesn't affect overall attendance much. I mean, if 10% of the student body shows up on any given day, that's 760 people. Ultimately, it's not making a huge difference to the overall attendance number, though obviously it would be nice to have them anyway. That's why I keep telling you, you need a compelling figure to bring the crowds to the games. And who is that crowd? The regular DMV folks and not so much the Georgetown student body. We haven't had a compelling figure since Thompson and Ewing in which case we had two compelling figures. If Patrick can turn this around with the right players, and we start winning, trust me that stadium will fill up. Everybody in the DMV love Patrick Ewing; he is the compelling figure. People will show up for a winner regardless of the name of the head coach.
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Post by tafkashfsee on Feb 11, 2022 17:21:15 GMT -5
That's why I keep telling you, you need a compelling figure to bring the crowds to the games. And who is that crowd? The regular DMV folks and not so much the Georgetown student body. We haven't had a compelling figure since Thompson and Ewing in which case we had two compelling figures. If Patrick can turn this around with the right players, and we start winning, trust me that stadium will fill up. Everybody in the DMV love Patrick Ewing; he is the compelling figure. People will show up for a winner regardless of the name of the head coach. I take that back, JTIII was the last compelling figure on the Hilltop. As for you gunny, yeah but you have to be more than a winner. You have to have something that draws people to you. Remember this(DC) is not a college town. This was basketball heaven but it isn't and wasn't a college town. People in this city have more than just basketball to occupy their time and most are not tied to the Georgetown community even though Georgetown is DC's little baby. The citizens of the city, Maryland and VA are not plugged into Georgetown University. And so, to get people to come to the games, you will need a compelling figure and not just a "winning coach". The student body ain't gonna fill up the stadium, you already know that.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 11, 2022 17:45:32 GMT -5
People will show up for a winner regardless of the name of the head coach. I take that back, JTIII was the last compelling figure on the Hilltop. As for you gunny, yeah but you have to be more than a winner. You have to have something that draws people to you. Remember this(DC) is not a college town. This was basketball heaven but it isn't and wasn't a college town. People in this city have more than just basketball to occupy their time and most are not tied to the Georgetown community even though Georgetown is DC's little baby. The citizens of the city, Maryland and VA are not plugged into Georgetown University. And so, to get people to come to the games, you will need a compelling figure and not just a "winning coach". The student body ain't gonna fill up the stadium, you already know that. From DFW’s branding post: “Georgetown has 50,000 alumni within an hour of Capital One Arena. How many were there anytime this season?” Build a winner and alumni with families will come. Will you follow Georgetown basketball if Ewing (or a Thompson family member) is no longer the head coach?
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Post by gunny on Feb 11, 2022 18:07:12 GMT -5
People will show up for a winner regardless of the name of the head coach. I take that back, JTIII was the last compelling figure on the Hilltop. As for you gunny, yeah but you have to be more than a winner. You have to have something that draws people to you. Remember this(DC) is not a college town. This was basketball heaven but it isn't and wasn't a college town. People in this city have more than just basketball to occupy their time and most are not tied to the Georgetown community even though Georgetown is DC's little baby. The citizens of the city, Maryland and VA are not plugged into Georgetown University. And so, to get people to come to the games, you will need a compelling figure and not just a "winning coach". The student body ain't gonna fill up the stadium, you already know that. Ewing's results this season have proven that if you put a product on the floor that is not performing well then attendance will suffer. JT3 proved during his successful years that a winner will average at least 10K in attendance. I am not sure how to measure how compelling a coach is. I would think that Ewing would draw more attention to the program as its coach rather than JT3, but Coach Ewing has been a failure up to this point and attendance has gone in the same direction as his record. Once a winning season and regular post season tournaments are achieved then attendance and interest will start to pick back up regardless of the coach's last name.
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 11, 2022 18:12:58 GMT -5
Also covid has had an impact. Given the dismal season, many of my cohorts in the +65 age group have decided to opt out entirely. My seatmate bought season tix in the hope of attending but the pandemic nixed it due to a medical condition making him high risk.
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Post by tafkashfsee on Feb 11, 2022 19:48:39 GMT -5
I take that back, JTIII was the last compelling figure on the Hilltop. As for you gunny, yeah but you have to be more than a winner. You have to have something that draws people to you. Remember this(DC) is not a college town. This was basketball heaven but it isn't and wasn't a college town. People in this city have more than just basketball to occupy their time and most are not tied to the Georgetown community even though Georgetown is DC's little baby. The citizens of the city, Maryland and VA are not plugged into Georgetown University. And so, to get people to come to the games, you will need a compelling figure and not just a "winning coach". The student body ain't gonna fill up the stadium, you already know that. From DFW’s branding post: “Georgetown has 50,000 alumni within an hour of Capital One Arena. How many were there anytime this season?” Build a winner and alumni with families will come. Will you follow Georgetown basketball if Ewing (or a Thompson family member) is no longer the head coach? So basically what you're telling me is that the only times that you will go to the games is when Georgetown is winning? And, if they are losing, you won't go to the games and apparently so won't these so called 50,000 local alumni? And so you know what that makes you? That makes you a fair weather fan and not a true fan. I'm at the games through thick and thin rooting the guys on. I support the guys through thick and thin because that's what real fans do. Let me ask you a question PR...if the next coach doesn't win games and he turns out to be mediocre, are you going to support the coach? Or, are you not going to go to the games yet again for another five season and be on the board bashing, berating the coaches and the players like you do now? If so, what is the point? Why don't you just give up sports and move on to something else? It is more things in life for you to do than to tie yourself down to a sports team that isn't winning and you getting all your emotions, hopes and dreams into it only to be let down year after year after year.
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Post by 95hoya on Feb 11, 2022 21:30:03 GMT -5
You don’t pay for a poor product. It’s not being a fair weather fan. Most of these fans have other things they can put money towards. If the product or experience doesn’t reward them, there’s no reason to pay.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2022 21:30:26 GMT -5
From DFW’s branding post: “Georgetown has 50,000 alumni within an hour of Capital One Arena. How many were there anytime this season?” Build a winner and alumni with families will come. Will you follow Georgetown basketball if Ewing (or a Thompson family member) is no longer the head coach? So basically what you're telling me is that the only times that you will go to the games is when Georgetown is winning? And, if they are losing, you won't go to the games and apparently so won't these so called 50,000 local alumni? And so you know what that makes you? That makes you a fair weather fan and not a true fan. I'm at the games through thick and thin rooting the guys on. I support the guys through thick and thin because that's what real fans do. Let me ask you a question PR...if the next coach doesn't win games and he turns out to be mediocre, are you going to support the coach? Or, are you not going to go to the games yet again for another five season and be on the board bashing, berating the coaches and the players like you do now? If so, what is the point? Why don't you just give up sports and move on to something else? It is more things in life for you to do than to tie yourself down to a sports team that isn't winning and you getting all your emotions, hopes and dreams into it only to be let down year after year after year. Correct. You need to understand most Georgetown alums. There’s a longer post to be made here but probably better suited to the 37th and O(no) board
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Feb 11, 2022 22:56:02 GMT -5
There’s a high correlation between wins and attendance. Fans want to see a competitive team, not one that loses every game by 10+ points. There is no excitement in that. We are setting negative attendance records this year. The fans have spoken, not sure what there is left to debate.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 11, 2022 23:42:02 GMT -5
From DFW’s branding post: “Georgetown has 50,000 alumni within an hour of Capital One Arena. How many were there anytime this season?” Build a winner and alumni with families will come. Will you follow Georgetown basketball if Ewing (or a Thompson family member) is no longer the head coach? So basically what you're telling me is that the only times that you will go to the games is when Georgetown is winning? And, if they are losing, you won't go to the games and apparently so won't these so called 50,000 local alumni? And so you know what that makes you? That makes you a fair weather fan and not a true fan. I'm at the games through thick and thin rooting the guys on. I support the guys through thick and thin because that's what real fans do. Let me ask you a question PR...if the next coach doesn't win games and he turns out to be mediocre, are you going to support the coach? Or, are you not going to go to the games yet again for another five season and be on the board bashing, berating the coaches and the players like you do now? If so, what is the point? Why don't you just give up sports and move on to something else? It is more things in life for you to do than to tie yourself down to a sports team that isn't winning and you getting all your emotions, hopes and dreams into it only to be let down year after year after year. Reading comprehension will help. The 50,000 are “local alumni within an hour of Capital One Arena.” I’m not one if those. I travel more than that to games in DC and away, but not last season or this one due to COVID. You didn’t answer my question. Here it goes again: Will you follow Georgetown basketball if Ewing (or a Thompson family member) is no longer the head coach? To answer your question: I support Georgetown.
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Post by Buckets on Feb 11, 2022 23:44:16 GMT -5
Also covid has had an impact. Given the dismal season, many of my cohorts in the +65 age group have decided to opt out entirely. My seatmate bought season tix in the hope of attending but the pandemic nixed it due to a medical condition making him high risk. Hey if Omicron subsides they might be able to semi-safely watch us lose our 17th Big East game at the end of the month
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Post by chep3 on Feb 12, 2022 1:39:27 GMT -5
From DFW’s branding post: “Georgetown has 50,000 alumni within an hour of Capital One Arena. How many were there anytime this season?” Build a winner and alumni with families will come. Will you follow Georgetown basketball if Ewing (or a Thompson family member) is no longer the head coach? So basically what you're telling me is that the only times that you will go to the games is when Georgetown is winning? And, if they are losing, you won't go to the games and apparently so won't these so called 50,000 local alumni? And so you know what that makes you? That makes you a fair weather fan and not a true fan. I'm at the games through thick and thin rooting the guys on. I support the guys through thick and thin because that's what real fans do. Let me ask you a question PR...if the next coach doesn't win games and he turns out to be mediocre, are you going to support the coach? Or, are you not going to go to the games yet again for another five season and be on the board bashing, berating the coaches and the players like you do now? If so, what is the point? Why don't you just give up sports and move on to something else? It is more things in life for you to do than to tie yourself down to a sports team that isn't winning and you getting all your emotions, hopes and dreams into it only to be let down year after year after year. Right. The only real fans are the ones who will show up and clap for 0-19 seasons. Everyone else is fair weather. I don’t know why I’m taking the bait here but this is bull. We’re literally the worst major team in college basketball right now. As someone who has gone to hundreds of games, I can no longer watch a game start to finish. My fellow alums don’t even talk about the team—it’s that much of a non entity. The idea that people would call out the very small subset of people that are on this board—literally the handful of fans at this point that care about this program—as fair weather is ridiculous. Frankly, if there isn’t a change at the end of the year, I’m done. I’ve lived and died with this team for 27 years. Absolutely no disrespect to the players (who try hard, care, and don’t get paid enough), but if the program doesn’t care about being good, then I won’t either.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Feb 12, 2022 6:10:52 GMT -5
From DFW’s branding post: “Georgetown has 50,000 alumni within an hour of Capital One Arena. How many were there anytime this season?” Build a winner and alumni with families will come. Will you follow Georgetown basketball if Ewing (or a Thompson family member) is no longer the head coach? So basically what you're telling me is that the only times that you will go to the games is when Georgetown is winning? And, if they are losing, you won't go to the games and apparently so won't these so called 50,000 local alumni? And so you know what that makes you? That makes you a fair weather fan and not a true fan. I'm at the games through thick and thin rooting the guys on. I support the guys through thick and thin because that's what real fans do. Let me ask you a question PR...if the next coach doesn't win games and he turns out to be mediocre, are you going to support the coach? Or, are you not going to go to the games yet again for another five season and be on the board bashing, berating the coaches and the players like you do now? If so, what is the point? Why don't you just give up sports and move on to something else? It is more things in life for you to do than to tie yourself down to a sports team that isn't winning and you getting all your emotions, hopes and dreams into it only to be let down year after year after year. Would you have become a fan back in the 1980s if the team was losing all of its games? I suspect not.
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Post by tafkashfsee on Feb 12, 2022 7:21:14 GMT -5
So basically what you're telling me is that the only times that you will go to the games is when Georgetown is winning? And, if they are losing, you won't go to the games and apparently so won't these so called 50,000 local alumni? And so you know what that makes you? That makes you a fair weather fan and not a true fan. I'm at the games through thick and thin rooting the guys on. I support the guys through thick and thin because that's what real fans do. Let me ask you a question PR...if the next coach doesn't win games and he turns out to be mediocre, are you going to support the coach? Or, are you not going to go to the games yet again for another five season and be on the board bashing, berating the coaches and the players like you do now? If so, what is the point? Why don't you just give up sports and move on to something else? It is more things in life for you to do than to tie yourself down to a sports team that isn't winning and you getting all your emotions, hopes and dreams into it only to be let down year after year after year. Would you have become a fan back in the 1980s if the team was losing all of its games? I suspect not. I have been watching the Hoyas since 79 faithfully. I was already admiring the team before Ewing hit the campus. I love seeing Big John roaming the sidelines, the big presence, the authoritative figure and all of his young men on the bench and on the floor paying attention to his commands and the guys battling it out. When Ewing decided to make Georgetown his choice, I was elated and became an official fan. I still have the vision of him raising that Georgetown banner overhead. It's vivid in my mind! But you see, I don't follow teams like you do. For me, it ain't about winning and losing with me even though that's what matter most. I like a lot of professionals sports teams. I have the Washington home football team, the Wizards. I love and admire the Ravens football team, though I am not an official fan and that goes same for the Steelers. What I like about these organizations and so many others is I like the stories behind them. I love how the Ravens and Steelers are great organizations and they always seem to be in the playoffs. I like how they manage the organizations over the years. I am a big LeBron James fan and where ever he goes, I root hard for him. He's like my Patrick Ewing of today. I wouldn't care about the Lakers usually (except for when they had Magic and Kareem in the 80's) but because they have Lebron, I would love to see them win another championship. I can name so many names, organizations, teams that I'm fond of. What makes me a fan of them is the story behind those entities not just the winning and losing. If these entities didn't have a story behind them, I wouldn't even be paying attention to them regardless of their winning. With individuals, the story that is most compelling to me is where the individual comes from in life and how he rose to where he is today. Along with that I like humble good guys (love Patrick Ewing, can't stand Michael Jordan). Also, the story on the court for these individuals must be compelling too. You guys don't even get involved with the players compelling story. All y'all do is bash and berate the players. Look at how y'all do Dante. I love Dante and I think the young man is dealing with injuries and he doesn't have the pick and roll center to play with along with some tall wings like he had last year in Pickett and Bile. As a result of the injuries and the lack of a good interior man, he's struggling. But you guys don't care about that. All y'all can do is talk bad about him. You don't care that he grew up in a rough section of DC, his parents moved him to Tennessee to basically save his life (a compelling story and a good reason to become a fan of his). Naww y'all don't give a damn about that! All y'all care about is his stats and whether or not he wins games. You know how I know that's true? Because last year, y'all were singing his praises and saying how he can do no wrong. This year, you all want to bench him and saying that he is a scrub. So to answer your question, hell yeah I would be rooting for the Hoyas in the 80's if they were losing and even if there were no Ewing but only if the story was compelling which it was because of Thompson and the many stances he led at Georgetown. Coach Thompson represents black manhood for most of us, in the black community, who grew up watching him. Most fans are that way, at least from where I am from. We are completely opposite of the "50,000 alumni" who don't show up for games just because the team's losing. You know when we will stop showing up? It's when Georgetown doesn't have a compelling figure or a compelling story. Get the wrong coach in here and even if they are winning, we won't show up for the games and we won't no longer care about Georgetown. When that time comes, well at least you got your 50,000 who will show up for the games but only if they are winning.
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Post by tafkashfsee on Feb 12, 2022 7:35:06 GMT -5
Would you have become a fan back in the 1980s if the team was losing all of its games? I suspect not. I have been watching the Hoyas since 79 faithfully. I was already admiring the team before Ewing hit the campus. I love seeing Big John roaming the sidelines, the big presence, the authoritative figure and all of his young men on the bench and on the floor paying attention to his commands and the guys battling it out. When Ewing decided to make Georgetown his choice, I was elated and became an official fan. I still have the vision of him raising that Georgetown banner overhead. It's vivid in my mind! But you see, I don't follow teams like you do. For me, it ain't all about winning and losing with me even though that's what matter most. I like a lot of professionals sports teams. I have the Washington home football team, the Wizards. I love and admire the Ravens football team, though I am not an official fan and that goes same for the Steelers. What I like about these organizations and so many others is I like the stories behind them. I love how the Ravens and Steelers are great organizations and they always seem to be in the playoffs. I like how they manage the organizations over the years. I am a big LeBron James fan and where ever he goes, I root hard for him. He's like my Patrick Ewing of today. I wouldn't care about the Lakers usually (except for when they had Magic and Kareem in the 80's) but because they have Lebron, I would love to see them win another championship. I can name so many names, organizations, teams that I'm fond of. What makes me a fan of them is the story behind those entities not just the winning and losing. If these entities didn't have a story behind them, I wouldn't even be paying attention to them regardless of their winning. With individuals, the story that is most compelling to me is where the individual comes from in life and how he rose to where he is today. Along with that I like humble good guys (love Patrick Ewing, can't stand Michael Jordan). Also, the story on the court for these individuals must be compelling too. I am a fan of Ewing for life. I want the brother to do well whatever he does and where ever he goes. He and I had a long talk at Yates some years back (after his retirement from basketball) and I told him how much he, Coach John Thompson and the guys meant to young black boys back when he played at Georgetown and how much he meant to me and how I appreciated what he did for Georgetown, the city of DC and most importantly the black community. Everyone of my male peers loved Ewing when we were coming up as teenagers watching him represent Georgetown. You guys don't even get involved with the players compelling story. All y'all do is bash and berate the players. Look at how y'all do Dante. I love Dante and I think the young man is dealing with injuries and he doesn't have the pick and roll center to play with along with some tall wings like he had last year in Pickett and Bile. As a result of the injuries and the lack of a good interior man, he's struggling. But you guys don't care about that. All y'all can do is talk bad about him. You don't care that he grew up in a rough section of DC, his parents moving him to Tennessee to basically save his life (a compelling story and a good reason to become a fan of his). Naww y'all don't give a damn about that! All y'all care about is his stats and whether or not he wins games. You know how I know that's true? Because last year, y'all were singing his praises and saying how he can do no wrong. This year, you all want to bench him and saying that he is a scrub. So to answer your question, hell yeah I would be rooting for the Hoyas in the 80's if they were losing and even if there were no Ewing but only if the story was compelling which it was because of Thompson and the many stances he led at Georgetown. Coach Thompson represents black manhood for most of us, in the black community, who grew up watching him. Most fans are that way (we like a compelling story), at least from where I am from. We are completely opposite of the "50,000 alumni" who don't show up for games just because the team's losing (that's fair weather). You know when we will stop showing up? It's when Georgetown doesn't have a compelling figure or a compelling story. Get the wrong coach in here and even if they are winning, we won't show up for the games and we won't no longer care about Georgetown. When that time comes, well at least you got your 50,000 who will show up for the games but only if they are winning.
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