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Post by drquigley on Apr 1, 2016 20:15:33 GMT -5
More important, Nova winning it all will put a fire under JT3 and the Admin. Another year like this and either Nova or possibly SH going to the FF would pretty well be a final nail in JT3's coffin. You're exactly right. JT3 is sitting around on his ass thinking, "I've got it good. I don't have to change anything or try to improve at all. But damnit, if Nova wins just two more games and wins the title, then I'm going to have to shape up and try to get better." I continued to be amazed at your insight and brilliance. Good job drquigley. Wow, you just don't quit. The expression "put a fire under" means that someone will start to feel the heat that possibly they hadn't felt before. With Nova winning a national championship and the Hoyas wallowing in 7-8th place in the BE you can be sure that many of us on this Board, GU alumni around the country, sportswriters, and most important the GU leadership that is paying the Verizon Center bill will start to question JT3 and the direction of the basketball program. Up until this year many of us, including me, could rationalize the fact that we haven't come close to a national championship in 10 years because of our size, facilities, academics etc. But Nova is forcing us to come to grips with the fact that a school like GU can compete on the national stage. If you don't think that this whole run by Nova has changed the paradigm that we had been operating under and this changed paradigm will put lots more pressure on JT3 then go back and look at what we were saying on this board 3 months ago. With one or two exceptions we were all thinking that a good year for a school like GU would be just getting in the tournament and getting past the first NCAA weekend. Watching what Jay Wright and Nova have accomplished this year (coupled with their BE record the last 3) blows those expectations out of the water.
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Post by guru on Apr 1, 2016 20:35:33 GMT -5
I mean yes it sucks but they beat us that day fair and square. You need to get over it. No, I don't. And I assure you I won't. Suit yourself
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Post by eagle54 on Apr 1, 2016 21:05:15 GMT -5
You're exactly right. JT3 is sitting around on his ass thinking, "I've got it good. I don't have to change anything or try to improve at all. But damnit, if Nova wins just two more games and wins the title, then I'm going to have to shape up and try to get better." I continued to be amazed at your insight and brilliance. Good job drquigley. Wow, you just don't quit. The expression "put a fire under" means that someone will start to feel the heat that possibly they hadn't felt before. With Nova winning a national championship and the Hoyas wallowing in 7-8th place in the BE you can be sure that many of us on this Board, GU alumni around the country, sportswriters, and most important the GU leadership that is paying the Verizon Center bill will start to question JT3 and the direction of the basketball program. Up until this year many of us, including me, could rationalize the fact that we haven't come close to a national championship in 10 years because of our size, facilities, academics etc. But Nova is forcing us to come to grips with the fact that a school like GU can compete on the national stage. If you don't think that this whole run by Nova has changed the paradigm that we had been operating under and this changed paradigm will put lots more pressure on JT3 then go back and look at what we were saying on this board 3 months ago. With one or two exceptions we were all thinking that a good year for a school like GU would be just getting in the tournament and getting past the first NCAA weekend. Watching what Jay Wright and Nova have accomplished this year (coupled with their BE record the last 3) blows those expectations out of the water.Dr Dr. don't let kc bother you, just another poster trying to defend III. I find it funny though, the analogy of "I've go it good. I don't have to change anything or try to improve at all...:" Sounds about accurate for the past seven or eight years. Maybe something will light a fire because we sure haven't seen one.
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Post by seaweed on Apr 2, 2016 5:58:05 GMT -5
Would you consider someone who robbed your house an opponent or enemy? Their Coke-fueled fluke stole our repeat title. I forgive them never. I hate them, and their fans, eternally. I mean yes it sucks but they beat us that day fair and square. You need to get over it. "They beat us fair and square" Lifetime ban for that kind of comment - they did more coke during that game than all the Tombs bartenders did that whole month! I am married to a 'nova law grad who probably doesn't even know 'nova is playing basketball today. I was a HS senior in 85 and had been to MSG to see the BET the two previous years and had seen all the GU-SJU matchups until the semi. Like most Hoyas, I had the trophy sent to the engravers before the game. I won't even visit friends who live in (Gary) Mclain Virginia (or Gary Indiana for that matter, if I had any). I loath 'nova and will never forget how they cheated their way to victory that night. I am therefore befuddled to hear myself say that I want them to win the title. I want them to beat 'cuse in the final the way Otto beats 'cuse, resoundingly, repeatedly and profoundly. Go BEast, Go teams that have newly discovered how to win clean and, yes, i will say it, Go Archie and Ochefu, two worthy opponents. Still wouldn't swerve if Rollie and the entire Pinckney family stepped in front of my car carrying Scottie Reynolds, but I am, oddly enough, pulling for this years Wildcats.
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Post by drquigley on Apr 2, 2016 10:13:15 GMT -5
Wow, you just don't quit. The expression "put a fire under" means that someone will start to feel the heat that possibly they hadn't felt before. With Nova winning a national championship and the Hoyas wallowing in 7-8th place in the BE you can be sure that many of us on this Board, GU alumni around the country, sportswriters, and most important the GU leadership that is paying the Verizon Center bill will start to question JT3 and the direction of the basketball program. Up until this year many of us, including me, could rationalize the fact that we haven't come close to a national championship in 10 years because of our size, facilities, academics etc. But Nova is forcing us to come to grips with the fact that a school like GU can compete on the national stage. If you don't think that this whole run by Nova has changed the paradigm that we had been operating under and this changed paradigm will put lots more pressure on JT3 then go back and look at what we were saying on this board 3 months ago. With one or two exceptions we were all thinking that a good year for a school like GU would be just getting in the tournament and getting past the first NCAA weekend. Watching what Jay Wright and Nova have accomplished this year (coupled with their BE record the last 3) blows those expectations out of the water.Dr Dr. don't let kc bother you, just another poster trying to defend III. I find it funny though, the analogy of "I've go it good. I don't have to change anything or try to improve at all...:" Sounds about accurate for the past seven or eight years. Maybe something will light a fire because we sure haven't seen one. I won't. I really think all of us on this board, with the exception of the regular JT3 haters, have to come to grips with what Nova is doing to our perception and expectations for our bball program. Until the last few weeks I was a big proponent of the idea that we were just too small, too honest, etc to ever aspire to anational championship. But Jay Wright has really changed my mind. How did he develop Ochefu and Archie? How did he get Jenkins to the level he's playing at today? What did he see in Hart (and maybe now Brunson) that JT3 missed or better yet what did JT3 see in Campbell that so far no else has? Finally, how did Wright get his guys to commit to playing lock down defense when our guys have perfected the "open door" policy. A massive turnaround next year (BE championship and NCAA final four) would obviously answer these questions but man, another year like this will really put JT3 on the hot seat.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 2, 2016 12:30:18 GMT -5
I would absolutely root for UNC over Nova. Not even close to a choice. Sure everyone know UNC is a bunch of cheaters, I'd still rather have the cheaters win than Nova. I can live in a world where cheaters prosper. Heck we all live in that world every day. I can't live in a world where Nova or cuse has more titles than we do.
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Post by drquigley on Apr 2, 2016 12:47:48 GMT -5
Where's Sophie when you have to make this choice?
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Apr 2, 2016 16:25:02 GMT -5
I hate 'Nova and once punched a hole in the wall of my home during a bad Nova/ GU game during the 1990s. Nonetheless, I love the Big East, and I live in Greensboro, home of That Conference That Shall Not Be Named. I want the BEAST to win one this year - even if it is Nova. Maybe there is a reason why have a very sick stomach today. At least dook cannot win this year. Was it when they hit two threes in the final three seconds in '99. Cause I broke my futon after that game. I think it was in '98. But I remember that game in '99- horrible. So much PTSD.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Apr 2, 2016 18:31:08 GMT -5
It would be good for 'Nova to win it all, that would be good for the Big East in general.
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Post by This Just In on Apr 2, 2016 18:58:57 GMT -5
Wow, you just don't quit. The expression "put a fire under" means that someone will start to feel the heat that possibly they hadn't felt before. With Nova winning a national championship and the Hoyas wallowing in 7-8th place in the BE you can be sure that many of us on this Board, GU alumni around the country, sportswriters, and most important the GU leadership that is paying the Verizon Center bill will start to question JT3 and the direction of the basketball program. Up until this year many of us, including me, could rationalize the fact that we haven't come close to a national championship in 10 years because of our size, facilities, academics etc. But Nova is forcing us to come to grips with the fact that a school like GU can compete on the national stage. If you don't think that this whole run by Nova has changed the paradigm that we had been operating under and this changed paradigm will put lots more pressure on JT3 then go back and look at what we were saying on this board 3 months ago. With one or two exceptions we were all thinking that a good year for a school like GU would be just getting in the tournament and getting past the first NCAA weekend. Watching what Jay Wright and Nova have accomplished this year (coupled with their BE record the last 3) blows those expectations out of the water.Dr Dr. don't let kc bother you, just another poster trying to defend III. I find it funny though, the analogy of "I've go it good. I don't have to change anything or try to improve at all...:" Sounds about accurate for the past seven or eight years. Maybe something will light a fire because we sure haven't seen one. Until expectations change especially the post season expectation then nothing else will... The one good thing about this Nova run is that it has changed the expectations of the program in the eyes of the fan base. Enough of the crap shoot nonsense... No excuses, just win 2 games in the NCAA's..
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Post by SDHoya on Apr 2, 2016 19:44:39 GMT -5
Some of us do not consider opponents to be enemies. Would you consider someone who robbed your house an opponent or enemy? Their Coke-fueled fluke stole our repeat title. I forgive them never. I hate them, and their fans, eternally. Honest question---does coke help you shoot 78.6%? I would think it would have the opposite effect?
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Post by drquigley on Apr 2, 2016 20:39:37 GMT -5
Coke is a stimulant and would help anyone involved in an athletic competition. But it helps if you only take 28 shots. I believe they only took 12 shots in the second half and made 10.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 2, 2016 20:53:48 GMT -5
Coke is a stimulant and would help anyone involved in an athletic competition. But it helps if you only take 28 shots. I believe they only took 12 shots in the second half and made 10. I think it's took 10, made 9. Took far more FTs than we did. So glad NCAA put in a shot clock.
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Post by njhoya78 on Apr 2, 2016 20:55:07 GMT -5
Also helps that there was no shot clock in 1985. Allowed the Wildcats to slow down the pace and hold the ball. . .until Jensen was open for a three.
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Post by seaweed on Apr 2, 2016 21:58:04 GMT -5
Would you consider someone who robbed your house an opponent or enemy? Their Coke-fueled fluke stole our repeat title. I forgive them never. I hate them, and their fans, eternally. Honest question---does coke help you shoot 78.6%? I would think it would have the opposite effect? One of those things you gotta try for yourself
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 2, 2016 22:06:18 GMT -5
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Post by HoyaChris on Apr 2, 2016 22:43:46 GMT -5
Also helps that there was no shot clock in 1985. Allowed the Wildcats to slow down the pace and hold the ball. . .until Jensen was open for a three. It would have had to have been a really long shot clock because Jenson would have had to wait about two years for the three which did not come into play until the 86-87 season.
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Post by eagle54 on Apr 2, 2016 22:53:05 GMT -5
Dr. don't let kc bother you, just another poster trying to defend III. I find it funny though, the analogy of "I've go it good. I don't have to change anything or try to improve at all...:" Sounds about accurate for the past seven or eight years. Maybe something will light a fire because we sure haven't seen one. I won't. I really think all of us on this board, with the exception of the regular JT3 haters, have to come to grips with what Nova is doing to our perception and expectations for our bball program. Until the last few weeks I was a big proponent of the idea that we were just too small, too honest, etc to ever aspire to anational championship. But Jay Wright has really changed my mind. How did he develop Ochefu and Archie? How did he get Jenkins to the level he's playing at today? What did he see in Hart (and maybe now Brunson) that JT3 missed or better yet what did JT3 see in Campbell that so far no else has? Finally, how did Wright get his guys to commit to playing lock down defense when our guys have perfected the "open door" policy. A massive turnaround next year (BE championship and NCAA final four) would obviously answer these questions but man, another year like this will really put JT3 on the hot seat. The big difference between Nova and Jay Wright and our coach and situation is recruiting. We spend a lot of time on this board worried about how the guys we have played in each game but then give him the excuse that the players aren't doing what they are supposed to. Coaches are responsible for their players and it's over half the job to go and secure those players that will fit what you are trying to do. The success they have had this year will further enable their recruiting but it's because the coach and program delivered. Jay Wright is running circles around this program and we continue to make excuses and want to wait for years until something will just somehow change on it's own. Two Final Fours and now a Final since our 2007 Final Four and only meaningful postseason basketball in what seems like a generation.
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Post by hobokenhoya on Apr 3, 2016 0:09:44 GMT -5
Coke is a stimulant and would help anyone involved in an athletic competition. But it helps if you only take 28 shots. I believe they only took 12 shots in the second half and made 10. It appears the good Dr has only read about the effects...
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Post by hobokenhoya on Apr 3, 2016 0:10:02 GMT -5
Honest question---does coke help you shoot 78.6%? I would think it would have the opposite effect? One of those things you gotta try for yourself Perfectly stated.
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