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Post by kchoya on Apr 3, 2016 0:31:46 GMT -5
Dr. don't let kc bother you, just another poster trying to defend III. I find it funny though, the analogy of "I've go it good. I don't have to change anything or try to improve at all...:" Sounds about accurate for the past seven or eight years. Maybe something will light a fire because we sure haven't seen one. Until expectations change especially the post season expectation then nothing else will... The one good thing about this Nova run is that it has changed the expectations of the program in the eyes of the fan base. Enough of the crap shoot nonsense... No excuses, just win 2 games in the NCAA's.. Whose expectations have been changed?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 3, 2016 0:45:50 GMT -5
Until expectations change especially the post season expectation then nothing else will... The one good thing about this Nova run is that it has changed the expectations of the program in the eyes of the fan base. Enough of the crap shoot nonsense... No excuses, just win 2 games in the NCAA's.. I don't get this. If only expectations changed, the results would be different? Who associated with the program doesn't expect that we should win?
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Post by SaxaCD on Apr 3, 2016 2:56:35 GMT -5
Until expectations change especially the post season expectation then nothing else will... The one good thing about this Nova run is that it has changed the expectations of the program in the eyes of the fan base. Enough of the crap shoot nonsense... No excuses, just win 2 games in the NCAA's.. I don't get this. If only expectations changed, the results would be different? Who associated with the program doesn't expect that we should win? It's been a rough week for strawmen.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2016 6:42:00 GMT -5
My dad is a Nova alum, and I want him to be happy.
If the situation were reversed and Georgetown were playing UNC for the title, he would say the same about me.
1985, being a "self-respecting Hoya fan", the image of the Big East, and all of the other stuff won't matter to me come Monday night.
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Post by hoyafreakinsaxa on Apr 3, 2016 7:05:09 GMT -5
What if somehow Syracuse had won? You would then cheer for Syracuse to beat Nova?
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Post by aleutianhoya on Apr 3, 2016 7:33:48 GMT -5
Dr. don't let kc bother you, just another poster trying to defend III. I find it funny though, the analogy of "I've go it good. I don't have to change anything or try to improve at all...:" Sounds about accurate for the past seven or eight years. Maybe something will light a fire because we sure haven't seen one. Until expectations change especially the post season expectation then nothing else will... The one good thing about this Nova run is that it has changed the expectations of the program in the eyes of the fan base. Enough of the crap shoot nonsense... No excuses, just win 2 games in the NCAA's.. If there is anything this Nova and Cuse run shows, it's that this thing is a crap shoot!!!! How can anyone conclude otherwise? The better team usually wins, but the worse team wins often enough that it's a crap shoot. Get there often enough as a high seed and you're going to eventually get hot/get the right matchup/get lucky that you make a deep run. When youre the better team, you need less of those things, but theyre still a factor over two, three, or four games. That's Nova this year. They're shooting the lights out! Get there often enough, period, and even as a low seed you'll get lucky occasionally. That's Cuse this year. Or Esh's sweet 16. Jay Weight didn't become a genius this year. We failed to get there (let alone as a high seed). That needs to change.
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Post by Elvado on Apr 3, 2016 7:41:46 GMT -5
My dad is a Nova alum, and I want him to be happy. If the situation were reversed and Georgetown were playing UNC for the title, he would say the same about me. 1985, being a "self-respecting Hoya fan", the image of the Big East, and all of the other stuff won't matter to me come Monday night. I hope you and your Dad are happy the other 364 days of the year and heartbroken tomorrow night.
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Post by This Just In on Apr 3, 2016 7:43:37 GMT -5
Until expectations change especially the post season expectation then nothing else will... The one good thing about this Nova run is that it has changed the expectations of the program in the eyes of the fan base. Enough of the crap shoot nonsense... No excuses, just win 2 games in the NCAA's.. Whose expectations have been changed? At least for sure Dr. Quigley's
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Post by This Just In on Apr 3, 2016 7:45:26 GMT -5
Until expectations change especially the post season expectation then nothing else will... The one good thing about this Nova run is that it has changed the expectations of the program in the eyes of the fan base. Enough of the crap shoot nonsense... No excuses, just win 2 games in the NCAA's.. I don't get this. If only expectations changed, the results would be different? Who associated with the program doesn't expect that we should win? That is not it... Have a good regular season and that is good enough no matter the NCAA result. That is your main theme, no?
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Post by This Just In on Apr 3, 2016 7:53:24 GMT -5
Until expectations change especially the post season expectation then nothing else will... The one good thing about this Nova run is that it has changed the expectations of the program in the eyes of the fan base. Enough of the crap shoot nonsense... No excuses, just win 2 games in the NCAA's.. If there is anything this Nova and Cuse run shows, it's that this thing is a crap shoot!!!! How can anyone conclude otherwise? The better team usually wins, but the worse team wins often enough that it's a crap shoot. Get there often enough as a high seed and you're going to eventually get hot/get the right matchup/get lucky that you make a deep run. When youre the better team, you need less of those things, but theyre still a factor over two, three, or four games. That's Nova this year. They're shooting the lights out! Get there often enough, period, and even as a low seed you'll get lucky occasionally. That's Cuse this year. Or Esh's sweet 16. Jay Weight didn't become a genius this year. We failed to get there (let alone as a high seed). That needs to change. A drought going on 10 years of winning 2 games in neither the NCAA's or NIT's and we just disagree.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 3, 2016 9:55:10 GMT -5
I don't get this. If only expectations changed, the results would be different? Who associated with the program doesn't expect that we should win? That is not it... Have a good regular season and that is good enough no matter the NCAA result. That is your main theme, no? Another straw man. A strong regular season and a high seed is an accomplishment to be acknowledged. But nobody believes it is "enough" without some postseason success to go with it. At the same time, disregarding it entirely is intentionally ignorant. Of course 2 of the last 3 we have had neither. That has to change pretty quickly. Almost all of us agree on that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2016 10:04:06 GMT -5
Congrats to Villanova. If the Big East wants to gain respect, it was going to have to defeat some basketball blue bloods in the tournament. Beating Kansas was huge. Stomping on Oklahoma by 40 points was icing on the cake. Jay Wright is now 48-6 in conference games the past three years and 96-13 overall. During the same period, JT3 is 27-27 in conference play and 55-44 overall.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 3, 2016 10:35:43 GMT -5
What if somehow Syracuse had won? You would then cheer for Syracuse to beat Nova? Of course not. Nova would be the lesser of two evils, but what I'd really want would be for 1) both teams to be disqualified before the game or baring that 2) the dome to collapse killing everyone inside.
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Post by drquigley on Apr 3, 2016 11:56:40 GMT -5
Whose expectations have been changed? At least for sure Dr. Quigley's Quigley here. I'm curious. Before this Nova run how many of us on this board really, really thought a small, private school not named Duke would ever win a national championship. As "thisjustin" points out I sure as hell never did. Folks, its been 30 years since one not named Duke did it. And if Nova does it, and does it in a way they've been doing it the last 2 weeks (with talent that comes from our own back yard!!) then hell yeah my expectations have changed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2016 12:07:35 GMT -5
At least for sure Dr. Quigley's Quigley here. I'm curious. Before this Nova run how many of us on this board really, really thought a small, private school not named Duke would ever win a national championship. As "thisjustin" points out I sure as hell never did. Folks, its been 30 years since one not named Duke did it. And if Nova does it, and does it in a way they've been doing it the last 2 weeks (with talent that comes from our own back yard!!) then hell yeah my expectations have changed. I mean....Butler went to the title game twice not too long ago 2010 and 2011... I don't know about anyone else but my feeling is if you can get to a title you can win a title... Apparently you do as well based on your comments above...
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 3, 2016 13:58:42 GMT -5
Congrats to Villanova. If the Big East wants to gain respect, it was going to have to defeat some basketball blue bloods in the tournament. Beating Kansas was huge. Stomping on Oklahoma by 40 points was icing on the cake. Jay Wright is now 48-6 in conference games the past three years and 96-13 overall. During the same period, JT3 is 27-27 in conference play and 55-44 overall.And this may be the most painful thing of all. Look at the difference. And, no, Nova wasn't filled with a lot of great NBA talent during those three years. They had a bit of luck so far as injuries are concerned but the huge difference IMO was a coach who knew how to put a team together and play to the strengths of his players. They are a well-drilled machine and have established an identity. Gtown, on the other hand, lacks such an identity these past few years and seem to have little purpose when on the court. Not sure I'll be rooting for Nova on Monday but at least I wont root against them.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 3, 2016 14:03:09 GMT -5
At least for sure Dr. Quigley's Quigley here. I'm curious. Before this Nova run how many of us on this board really, really thought a small, private school not named Duke would ever win a national championship. As "thisjustin" points out I sure as hell never did. Folks, its been 30 years since one not named Duke did it. And if Nova does it, and does it in a way they've been doing it the last 2 weeks (with talent that comes from our own back yard!!) then hell yeah my expectations have changed. ::raises hand:: I did. I always thought Georgetown could do it again and was hoping for a scenario of Gtown leading the way for this eventuality just like it did in 1984. I would never have guessed Villanova would be the one in position to do it first. Sad thing is a couple of III's teams outside of the 2007 squad were capable of winning it all if they could only get past the first weekend of the tournament...or the first game itself. Just sad.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Apr 3, 2016 14:10:54 GMT -5
Quigley here. I'm curious. Before this Nova run how many of us on this board really, really thought a small, private school not named Duke would ever win a national championship. As "thisjustin" points out I sure as hell never did. Folks, its been 30 years since one not named Duke did it. And if Nova does it, and does it in a way they've been doing it the last 2 weeks (with talent that comes from our own back yard!!) then hell yeah my expectations have changed. I mean....Butler went to the title game twice not too long ago 2010 and 2011... I don't know about anyone else but my feeling is if you can get to a title you can win a title... Apparently you do as well based on your comments above... And there aren't really that many small private schools even trying to win a championship, right? Twenty or so if i am being generous that seriously try year in and year out. Compared with oodles of bigger schools. Butler isn't even the only good example, though it merits noting that they had shots on both of their final two possessions to win the championship game. Gonzaga has had its share of flameouts, but they were in the elite 8 just last year, losing to the eventual champs. In the last ten years, Nova has been to the FF twice and Butler twice. Pretty good considering all the state schools out there. Oh, and some other private school came awfully close to playing for a title ten years ago as I recall.....
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 3, 2016 14:26:14 GMT -5
I mean....Butler went to the title game twice not too long ago 2010 and 2011... I don't know about anyone else but my feeling is if you can get to a title you can win a title... Apparently you do as well based on your comments above... And there aren't really that many small private schools even trying to win a championship, right? Twenty or so if i am being generous that seriously try year in and year out. Compared with oodles of bigger schools. Butler isn't even the only good example, though it merits noting that they had shots on both of their final two possessions to win the championship game. Gonzaga has had its share of flameouts, but they were in the elite 8 just last year, losing to the eventual champs. In the last ten years, Nova has been to the FF twice and Butler twice. Pretty good considering all the state schools out there. Oh, and some other private school came awfully close to playing for a title ten years ago as I recall..... You're pretty hard on Gonzaga Al, you called them "mediocre" in an earlier post.. Honestly I'd love for Gtown to have won at least 1 game in the last 8 tourney's.. 13 tourney wins in the last 8 years, gimme me some of that..
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 3, 2016 14:28:23 GMT -5
I mean....Butler went to the title game twice not too long ago 2010 and 2011... I don't know about anyone else but my feeling is if you can get to a title you can win a title... Apparently you do as well based on your comments above... And there aren't really that many small private schools even trying to win a championship, right? Twenty or so if i am being generous that seriously try year in and year out. Compared with oodles of bigger schools. Butler isn't even the only good example, though it merits noting that they had shots on both of their final two possessions to win the championship game. Gonzaga has had its share of flameouts, but they were in the elite 8 just last year, losing to the eventual champs. In the last ten years, Nova has been to the FF twice and Butler twice. Pretty good considering all the state schools out there. Oh, and some other private school came awfully close to playing for a title ten years ago as I recall..... Probably would have if Summers didn't go 1-10 from the field due to his ankle problems.
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