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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 14, 2017 16:22:35 GMT -5
If he gets an offensive foul down low, he becomes very hesitant down there. He also needs to work on a 10-12 foot shot to be even more versatile.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Jan 14, 2017 16:33:30 GMT -5
Oh lord isn't this last player we have to worry about on this team. Yes his shot wasn't falling today. He's the absolute least of my concerns w this team.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 16:50:49 GMT -5
Not a worry at all more about becoming the monster he could be... Kid had 6 assists today, he has a complete game. The point is he's multi dimensional he needs to utilize it.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jan 14, 2017 17:31:32 GMT -5
Needs to add the in between game. A pull-up jumper off the bounce. A 1 dribble 2 dribble pull-up would make him very very difficult to guard.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 14, 2017 17:55:58 GMT -5
My only concern is that he looked a little gimpy after he got banged up trying to take that charge late in the game. Hope he didn't aggravate the knee.
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Post by bamahoya11 on Jan 14, 2017 19:42:32 GMT -5
My only concern is that he looked a little gimpy after he got banged up trying to take that charge late in the game. Hope he didn't aggravate the knee. I thought the same thing. He was definitely limping a bit as he walked off. JTIII didn't mention it in post game though. Just praised his six assists.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 17, 2017 10:32:36 GMT -5
Among the legion of disappointments last night was Marcus. After being called for shuffling his feet down low early, he seemed to lose any interest in everything but hoisting 3's. I realize Prov was playing zone, but he still needs to try to get position and ask for the ball in the paint or on the baseline.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 17, 2017 11:09:06 GMT -5
I love Marcus, but he is killing us right now!
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Post by JohnnyJones on Jan 17, 2017 11:34:39 GMT -5
I love Marcus, but he is killing us right now! What player isn't killing us right now? They all are.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 12:40:32 GMT -5
I love Marcus, but he is killing us right now! What player isn't killing us right now? They all are. He was off last night for sure. But he's been warming up to the bigger minutes he's been getting at the 4. His first 5 games in conference were very good, and I'd expect to see more and more of him taking over down the stretch.
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Post by drquigley on Feb 12, 2017 19:32:56 GMT -5
Like many of you on this board I keep waiting for the real MD to show up. But I'm beginning to think that this is the real MD. What seems to really hurt him is his lack of quickness. On defense it leads to all those silly fouls and on offense it seems to leave him lost somewhere on the perimeter. I realize he has a nice 3 point shot but at 6'7" and 250+ pounds he really seems to belong in the paint. I wonder if it's too late to experiment with him as Govan's backup with Agau starting at forward? He's got good hands and seems to see the court well. Plus, with his wide body I think he could help control the boards.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Feb 13, 2017 6:31:30 GMT -5
MD shoots too many 3's. it's that simple. more than HALF his shots are 3's. he has a good post up game when he decides he wants to do it. he settles for too many long 3's. I'm not saying never shoot a 3 but he could be a dominant post player especially with most teams playing smaller lineups.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 8:29:23 GMT -5
He's gotta stop drifting and get aggressive.
-- He hasn't had 10 FGA or scored 10 points in a month -- He's not shooting as many 3s, but he still lingers on the perimeter -- He's essentially worst on the squad in drawing fouls on the offensive end -- He really can't create much off the dribble, so it's either catch/shoot or catch down low and make a quick move
I still don't know why he isn't working to get the ball more down low. It's not like our offense doesn't allow our bigs to switch high/low.
Plus - I'd much rather see him with the ball -- back to the basket, 8 feet away -- than Jessie any day.
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Post by bostonfan on Feb 13, 2017 9:10:26 GMT -5
He's gotta stop drifting and get aggressive. -- He hasn't had 10 FGA or scored 10 points in a month -- He's not shooting as many 3s, but he still lingers on the perimeter -- He's essentially worst on the squad in drawing fouls on the offensive end -- He really can't create much off the dribble, so it's either catch/shoot or catch down low and make a quick move I still don't know why he isn't working to get the ball more down low. It's not like our offense doesn't allow our bigs to switch high/low. Plus - I'd much rather see him with the ball -- back to the basket, 8 feet away -- than Jessie any day. It would be great to see more production from him but I think he is taking what the other team gives him, and what comes to him through the offense that the Hoyas run. Other teams do respect his range and cover him out to the three point line, which helps to open up space for Goan and for LJ to penetrate. Putting him in the low block all game would tend to clog the paint up for penetration and it is simply not what the Hoyas typically run. Would I like to see him take more shots, probably, but those shots would most likely come at the expense of LJ, Rodney or Jessie so I am not sure I want him to force anything when we do have other options. When he is on the floor with LJ, Rodney and Jessie, he becomes the fourth option and he takes the amount of shots a 4th option should be taking. I like his game and I think you will see him be more aggressive next year when the team will need him to take more shots.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 9:57:46 GMT -5
He's gotta stop drifting and get aggressive. -- He hasn't had 10 FGA or scored 10 points in a month -- He's not shooting as many 3s, but he still lingers on the perimeter -- He's essentially worst on the squad in drawing fouls on the offensive end -- He really can't create much off the dribble, so it's either catch/shoot or catch down low and make a quick move I still don't know why he isn't working to get the ball more down low. It's not like our offense doesn't allow our bigs to switch high/low. Plus - I'd much rather see him with the ball -- back to the basket, 8 feet away -- than Jessie any day. It would be great to see more production from him but I think he is taking what the other team gives him, and what comes to him through the offense that the Hoyas run. Other teams do respect his range and cover him out to the three point line, which helps to open up space for Goan and for LJ to penetrate. Putting him in the low block all game would tend to clog the paint up for penetration and it is simply not what the Hoyas typically run. Would I like to see him take more shots, probably, but those shots would most likely come at the expense of LJ, Rodney or Jessie so I am not sure I want him to force anything when we do have other options. When he is on the floor with LJ, Rodney and Jessie, he becomes the fourth option and he takes the amount of shots a 4th option should be taking. I like his game and I think you will see him be more aggressive next year when the team will need him to take more shots. I agree with most of that. He and Jessie are almost always going to be 3rd/4th in line on the offensive end behind LJ and Rodney. And next year will be MD's year. But 66% from 2pt, 44% from 3, and 85% from the line in conference demand a higher usage. Right now it's far closer to Jagan than it is to Jessie. And I'd prefer to see that stay at the current 1:1 2s:3s ratio -- so he's gotta find some space inside when he can.
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Post by drquigley on Feb 13, 2017 10:49:39 GMT -5
Did anyone here see MD play in high school? I'm pretty sure with his size he played more as a center and scored most of his points in the paint. It just seems to me that he is not comfortable on the wing unless he is set and has a fairly uncontested shot. I keep thinking Wes Unseld. MD has that kind of body and skill in the paint. He definitely has better hands than Jesse and could be a much better rebounder. Of course he might get in more foul trouble but I see most of MD's fouls committed any from the basket while he is trying to guard quicker forwards. I'm not saying replace Jesse with MD but use him as Jesse's backup and move Agau to power forward.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 13, 2017 11:01:49 GMT -5
Agree with posters who have said that Marcus is spending way too much time out by the 3 point line, but there's a reason for that.
As is the case with all of our bigs, they are across the board fundamentally poor at correctly establishing post position. You do it one of two ways; either with a hard cut to the spot you want or uprooting the defender gradually with your backside. Our bigs, Marcus included, have a horrible habit of pushing defenders with their hands and forearms to try to create space in the post. Like it or not, those are going to be called offensive fouls and they have been.
The few times Marcus has attempted to post up, he's usually swinging his arms wildly to create space and he gets called for it. That combined with his penchant for picking up a silly foul or two on defense puts him in foul trouble and generally takes away his aggressiveness on the offensive end. The end result is you have him doing nothing but drifting on the perimeter, which hurts us not only from a scoring standpoint but at offensive rebounding.
It's something that's easily correctable (looking to the staff on this one), and Marcus has a good enough stroke to really hurt opponents with his midrange game. But he needs to find a way to avoid that offensive foul that has plagued him all throughout conference season.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 11:01:59 GMT -5
Did anyone here see MD play in high school? I'm pretty sure with his size he played more as a center and scored most of his points in the paint. It just seems to me that he is not comfortable on the wing unless he is set and has a fairly uncontested shot. I keep thinking Wes Unseld. MD has that kind of body and skill in the paint. He definitely has better hands than Jesse and could be a much better rebounder. Of course he might get in more foul trouble but I see most of MD's fouls committed any from the basket while he is trying to guard quicker forwards. I'm not saying replace Jesse with MD but use him as Jesse's backup and move Agau to power forward. MD's not a 5 and I don't want Agau in there for long stretches. Akoy's got some talent but he's still too error prone to be a 25+ mpg guy. He's developing into a very nice backup & change-of-pace guy at either the 4 or 5, though. I think that's his best role.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Feb 13, 2017 11:03:41 GMT -5
Did anyone here see MD play in high school? I'm pretty sure with his size he played more as a center and scored most of his points in the paint. It just seems to me that he is not comfortable on the wing unless he is set and has a fairly uncontested shot. I keep thinking Wes Unseld. MD has that kind of body and skill in the paint. He definitely has better hands than Jesse and could be a much better rebounder. Of course he might get in more foul trouble but I see most of MD's fouls committed any from the basket while he is trying to guard quicker forwards. I'm not saying replace Jesse with MD but use him as Jesse's backup and move Agau to power forward. I actually like the way we're doing it now. Having MD and Jesse in the game together really opens up the lane. It's one key reason LJ (and, recently, even Pryor) have gotten to the hoop relatively easily of late. In that sense, MD's contributions don't show up anywhere in the box score, but they're still there. As I've said (and others have) multiple times, all I'd change is the proportion of MD and JG high/low. That is, when we post someone up, I'd focus on MD in the paint and JG up high. Not do it 100% that way, but shift the emphasis. I think that plays much more to our strengths. Akoy has value -- I'm not shortchanging him at all -- but he doesn't open up the lane offensively like MD does (and he doesn't have the post-up game either). He's a better defender and rebounder.
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Post by drquigley on Feb 13, 2017 13:59:56 GMT -5
Did anyone here see MD play in high school? I'm pretty sure with his size he played more as a center and scored most of his points in the paint. It just seems to me that he is not comfortable on the wing unless he is set and has a fairly uncontested shot. I keep thinking Wes Unseld. MD has that kind of body and skill in the paint. He definitely has better hands than Jesse and could be a much better rebounder. Of course he might get in more foul trouble but I see most of MD's fouls committed any from the basket while he is trying to guard quicker forwards. I'm not saying replace Jesse with MD but use him as Jesse's backup and move Agau to power forward. I actually like the way we're doing it now. Having MD and Jesse in the game together really opens up the lane. It's one key reason LJ (and, recently, even Pryor) have gotten to the hoop relatively easily of late. In that sense, MD's contributions don't show up anywhere in the box score, but they're still there. As I've said (and others have) multiple times, all I'd change is the proportion of MD and JG high/low. That is, when we post someone up, I'd focus on MD in the paint and JG up high. Not do it 100% that way, but shift the emphasis. I think that plays much more to our strengths. Akoy has value -- I'm not shortchanging him at all -- but he doesn't open up the lane offensively like MD does (and he doesn't have the post-up game either). He's a better defender and rebounder. Gotta disagree. Akoy showing lots more offensive moves than MD right now. Quicker to the basket off the dribble and also showing a decent 3 point shot. Whether he serves as a backup center to Jesse or a starting power forward, we have to get the ball more to him down low. He just doesn't look like he wants to be playing 18 feet from the basket and really has no ball handling skills needed to attack the basket from that far out.
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