lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 14, 2016 11:14:13 GMT -5
need you buddy yup to BURN THE WILDCATS from downtown and inside GET WELL REALLY SOOOOOONNNN
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trillesthoya
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Post by trillesthoya on Nov 16, 2016 13:04:42 GMT -5
That's two games now where he hasn't played nearly as much as he should have. I read that he had a knee brace on, does he still have a nagging injury from last year? I didn't see anything in game to suggest that he was being hampered by his knee, but there's no other reason someone with his skill is sitting as much as he is. Given how much preseason hype he's gotten from Kenner and the media it's concerning.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 16, 2016 13:07:22 GMT -5
In the first game, Ron Thompson said he was limited because of the knee problem.
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zxhoya
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Post by zxhoya on Nov 16, 2016 16:03:55 GMT -5
He looked really mobile last night, hopefully he didn't tweak anything.
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Post by vv83 on Nov 16, 2016 17:09:37 GMT -5
He hurt his knee late in the Kenner season. He stepped on the ball while running, and had to be helped off the court. It looked bad at the time - seemed like it might have been a torn ACL or something like that. Derrickson was fortunate that it ended up being less serious than that . But it is definitely a concern that over 3 months later, the injury is still clearly limiting him.
Derrickson played extremely well this summer, probably even with Peak as our second best summer player after Pryor. It will be a shame if he is limited by the injury for a significant chunk of the season. we really need his rebounding, and he is far and away our best interior help defender in terms of getting good position and drawing charges. Add in the versatile perimeter shooting/low post offensive game he showed this summer - and it becomes clear that losing a full strength Derrickson would be a significant issue.
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blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Nov 16, 2016 19:05:41 GMT -5
This. Coming back slowly from a tweaked knee. No reason to rush it.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 16, 2016 19:44:26 GMT -5
Would it be better to shelve him for 2 or 3 weeks to try to heal more? Not sure how much he will give us if limited every game.
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Post by mapei on Nov 16, 2016 19:57:15 GMT -5
I was at the MD game, and he was fiddling with his knee brace several times. It definitely looked like he was uncomfortable.
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Post by trillesthoya on Nov 22, 2016 16:05:23 GMT -5
Nothing new, but interesting that they're calling it "minor." I'm hopeful that means he'll be back sooner than later.
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Nov 22, 2016 19:11:54 GMT -5
Yeah, but why would a minor injury keep a guy from a trip to paradise?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 22, 2016 19:40:21 GMT -5
Yeah, but why would a minor injury keep a guy from a trip to paradise? I am all for more disclosure than less. Clearly, the university doesn't agree. But one can envision a few reasons - rest, availability of treatments that aren't easily accessible in Maui, etc. Granted, it would be better if they'd just come out and say what was happening. But even Duke, which generally is more open than us, is being tight lipped about their injured players.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 22, 2016 19:40:47 GMT -5
(1) He can probably get better treatment at our new and improved facility.
(2) Long plane flights are not good for circulation, and definitely not good for joint issues.
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Post by vv83 on Nov 22, 2016 23:03:41 GMT -5
(1) He can probably get better treatment at our new and improved facility. (2) Long plane flights are not good for circulation, and definitely not good for joint issues. We have a lot of issues, and a healthy marcus would by no means solve all of them. But he is our best defensive rebounder and our best outside shooter. That would certainly help a lot with at least a couple of our biggest issues.
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Post by saxagael on Nov 23, 2016 10:10:10 GMT -5
Man, I hope Marcus heals well and soon. I hope this isn't this year's Paul White where we are down a great rebounding player and outside shooter with size. Marcus causes coverage problems for other teams due to his size, ability to bang on the inside and rebound, and great stroke from outside. He also is a good passer who sees the game well.
Hoyas have, like last year, limited depth at bigs who can rebound and box out physical teams. The Wisconsin game was proof of that.
I really like Marcus' game and wish him well. His stepping on the ball in Kenner league was brutal and it seemed like it happened in slow motion watching it.
Here is to a good guy with great game getting better soon.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 10, 2017 15:41:03 GMT -5
This is the only Derrickson thread I could find, but I wanted to just emphasize how good he's been for us recently. I know that some people don't like advanced stats, but he's been our most efficient player. His offensive efficiency overall is 123.9 (best on the team, unless you count Trey Mourning's limited time an small sample), and in conference play only, it's a whopping 142.3 (a small sample size, but still exceptional).
His shooting has been excellent: FT% (95.8% overall, 100% in Big East play), 2 PT% (46.7% overall, 66.7% in Big East play), and 3PT% (44.4% overall, 52.0% in Big East Play (13-25)).
His turnover rate is also extremely low (11.8 - by far the lowest on the team, next is Pryor), as well.
For this team to have success this season, you need him to play more. If anything he needs to be featured more. Overall, he's "used" 17.2 possessions (16.0 in Big East play), which is way too low considering who efficient he is. Yes, with more usage his efficiency could go down, but not enough to keep his usage so low.
Marcus Derrickson is a huge key to any success we might have this season (and next, likely).
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Post by rockhoya on Jan 10, 2017 15:47:22 GMT -5
This is the only Derrickson thread I could find, but I wanted to just emphasize how good he's been for us recently. I know that some people don't like advanced stats, but he's been our most efficient player. His offensive efficiency overall is 123.9 (best on the team, unless you count Trey Mourning's limited time an small sample), and in conference play only, it's a whopping 142.3 (a small sample size, but still exceptional). His shooting has been excellent: FT% (95.8% overall, 100% in Big East play), 2 PT% (46.7% overall, 66.7% in Big East play), and 3PT% (44.4% overall, 52.0% in Big East Play (13-25)). His turnover rate is also extremely low (11.8 - by far the lowest on the team, next is Pryor), as well. For this team to have success this season, you need him to play more. If anything he needs to be featured more. Overall, he's "used" 17.2 possessions (19.3 in Big East play), which is way too low considering who efficient he is. Yes, with more usage his efficiency could go down, but not enough to keep his usage so low. Marcus Derrickson is a huge key to any success we might have this season (and next, likely). Agree wholeheartedly. And I'd add that his weight and frame and his slow start to this year make people assume he isn't light on his feet - but he's actually become very mobile since high school. He is as complete a player as I've seen since Otto probably. He absolutely needs to be a featured option, he can score from anywhere on the floor and he is tough (see his competitive fire @ MD a few games into his freshman season). I think our guards could even benefit from playing more inside-out.
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Post by Just Cos on Jan 10, 2017 15:54:23 GMT -5
Love what MD has been doing lately.
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Post by practice on Jan 10, 2017 15:58:59 GMT -5
I love LJ, but to me, Marcus has the biggest upside on this team. He's got great size, he's athletic (and getting quicker), and can shoot from anywhere. He's got the bet looking shot on the team. He just needs to start taking over games. More shots, more aggression. He's a key to any success that we might have this season.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 10, 2017 16:07:29 GMT -5
I edited my post - Derrickson's usage in Big East play is actually 16.0 - he needs to be taking a lot more shots.
In contrast, in Big East play:
Pryor has used 25.1 possessions, with O efficiency of 92.4
Peak has used 23.3 possessions, with O efficiency of 95.0
Govan has used 23.3 possessions, with O efficiency of 82.4
Hayes has used 22.8 possessions, with O efficiency of 83.6
Yikes. You don't need advance stats to tell you that these guys have been struggling, but it's a good illustration of why we had so much trouble against Marquette, Butler, Providence, and Xavier. All four of those guys are better than what they've been showing.
That said, I think Pryor needs to come down a notch in usage and stop forcing things. On the bright side, aside from Derrickson, Mosely (123.9 O rating, 17.1 usage), Mulmore (104.5 O on 16.7 usage), and Agau (110.2 O, on 19.2 usage) have all had good Big East seasons so far.
The big caveat to all this is a small sample size of only 5 games, of course.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 16:11:58 GMT -5
I love LJ, but to me, Marcus has the biggest upside on this team. He's got great size, he's athletic (and getting quicker), and can shoot from anywhere. He's got the bet looking shot on the team. He just needs to start taking over games. More shots, more aggression. He's a key to any success that we might have this season. I agree. He's got the most unique skillset of any of our guys at this point. And he's absolutely stroking it right now. I just wish he would stick to a 1-to-1, 2PA to 3PA ratio -- or as close to that as possible. As good as his outside shooting is, it's going to be streaky at times. He's so strong and such a good FT shooter, he needs to remember to demand the ball down low too.
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