rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 9, 2015 11:35:08 GMT -5
Guru, Chuck was on campus and took pictures with recruits last season. I agree that it would never happen even if Chuck had an degree but it would be great for recruiting. I don't think we would have any problem getting almost any guard that we wanted. I do. I don't think a ploy like this would change the recruiting equation whatsoever. Iverson hasn't been an NBA factor since 2007. Would the class of 2017 even remember him? You could make Allen Iverson, Bradley Cooper, Daredevil, and an Apple Watch assistant coaches and it wouldn't change the fact that recruits tour McDonough Gym. Allen Iversin still remains an icon. Pound for pound one of the best to ever play the game.
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Post by TC on Jun 9, 2015 11:39:20 GMT -5
Allen Iversin still remains an icon. Pound for pound one of the best to ever play the game. What does that even mean? Eddie Murphy is an icon, but to the class of 2017, he's the Donkey from Shrek.
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 9, 2015 11:45:15 GMT -5
Allen Iversin still remains an icon. Pound for pound one of the best to ever play the game. What does that even mean? Eddie Murphy is an icon, but to the class of 2017, he's the Donkey from Shrek. Someone asked if the class of 2017 would still remember him, my response is that he still remains an icon, despite the all the time and hardships that have passed. What's not to get? Icon implies a sense of universal recognition.... The fact that he's messed up a handful of times in his life doesn't just suddenly erase the fact that people still respect what he accomplished on the court. No one has ever done it like him.
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Post by professorhoya on Jun 9, 2015 11:56:49 GMT -5
What does that even mean? Eddie Murphy is an icon, but to the class of 2017, he's the Donkey from Shrek. Someone asked if the class of 2017 would still remember him, my response is that he still remains an icon, despite the all the time and hardships that have passed. What's not to get? Icon implies a sense of universal recognition.... The fact that he's messed up a handful of times in his life doesn't just suddenly erase the fact that people still respect what he accomplished on the court. No one has ever done it like him. Jabril basically came here because he was a huge Iverson fan growing up watching the 76ers. if it wasn't for Iverson he probably would have stayed in Philly or gone somewhere else.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jun 9, 2015 11:56:55 GMT -5
I am a very strong believer in the concept of redemption, forgiveness and atonement. That said, Allen has years of misdeeds and mistakes to make up for before he would warrant a job of responsibility and leadership involving young men. Perhaps a good starting point would be a meeting every year with Hoya athletes - and maybe not just basketball players - talking about mistakes he has made, the importance of getting away from the wrong people, etc. I don't know if he would even have any interest in any association with the program, but if so, he would have a long road to earn that association. I would agree with you. No one--certainly not I--is trying to deify Allen Iverson. I just believe that he should and deserves to be embraced as a famous son of Georgetown--even with all of his past misdeeds.
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Post by hoyazeke on Jun 9, 2015 11:57:09 GMT -5
AI is still relevant to recruits in my opinion. His distance from playing would matter if he were a average/good NBA player. Iverson would make that Top 50 list if they redid it. As stated above, he is an Icon. If Chuck walked into a HS kids living room and said "come to GTown and you get to work with me daily". We are landing more guards than we lose.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jun 9, 2015 12:06:53 GMT -5
Allen Iversin still remains an icon. Pound for pound one of the best to ever play the game. What does that even mean? Eddie Murphy is an icon, but to the class of 2017, he's the Donkey from Shrek. You are absolutely wrong in your assumption that today's youth do not know who Iverson is and what he meant to the game of basketball. I teach middle schoolers. we talk basketball all the time. Through the medium of television and the internet, they are all astutely aware of Iverson. Many of them, as a matter of fact, view him as one of the most influential players in NBA history. Of course, they also allude to his "practice" rant that was taken completely out of context and blown out of proportion.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 9, 2015 12:09:47 GMT -5
AI is still relevant to recruits in my opinion. His distance from playing would matter if he were a average/good NBA player. Iverson would make that Top 50 list if they redid it. As stated above, he is an Icon. If Chuck walked into a HS kids living room and said "come to GTown and you get to work with me daily". We are landing more guards than we lose. Putting aside the academic degree issue previously discussed and whether Iverson could actually commit to a full time job given his off-court issues, today's recruits aren't choosing a school because of who played there 20 years ago. Style of play (and ability to contribute) drives these decisions. If someone wants a Georgetown legend to teach guards the finer points of the game, call John Duren.
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Post by lucky on Jun 9, 2015 12:16:28 GMT -5
What does that even mean? Eddie Murphy is an icon, but to the class of 2017, he's the Donkey from Shrek. You are absolutely wrong in your assumption that today's youth do not know who Iverson is and what he meant to the game of basketball. I teach middle schoolers. we talk basketball all the time. Through the medium of television and the internet, they are all astutely aware of Iverson. Many of them, as a matter of fact, view him as one of the most influential players in NBA history. Of course, they also allude to his "practice" rant that was taken completely out of context and blown out of proportion. My son is 14 and is totally aware of AI. He couldn't wait to see the show on him recently and my boy had his eyes opened to 1. how good AI was and 2. the amount of adversity he had to overcome to do what he did.
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Post by professorhoya on Jun 9, 2015 12:18:38 GMT -5
What exactly did Allen Iverson do that was so egregious?
It's not like he got into rape trouble like Kobe Bryant, is a sexual deviant horrible father who lacks all self control like Tiger Woods, killed someone like Oscar Pistorius, Ray Lewis (possibly), Aaron Hernandez, loaded up on roids or drugs like Arod, Lance Armstrong, Barry Bonds or was a child abuser who beat one of his many out of wedlock sons like Adrian Peterson.
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Post by Filo on Jun 9, 2015 12:41:06 GMT -5
This thread has some legs. Awesome. We already had the obligatory "this is why I don't post here any more" post (because, you know, the rest of the internet and hoops sites are bastions of civility and pure logic). Just to keep this going, I will pose an additional thought... What if we had Latavious come here as an assistant with AI? I think that would be great. Maybe they could even form some sort of ballroom dancing team and put a halftime show together? I think that would also be great.
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Post by EtomicB on Jun 9, 2015 12:47:00 GMT -5
Someone asked if the class of 2017 would still remember him, my response is that he still remains an icon, despite the all the time and hardships that have passed. What's not to get? Icon implies a sense of universal recognition.... The fact that he's messed up a handful of times in his life doesn't just suddenly erase the fact that people still respect what he accomplished on the court. No one has ever done it like him. Jabril basically came here because he was a huge Iverson fan growing up watching the 76ers. if it wasn't for Iverson he probably would have stayed in Philly or gone somewhere else. I don't believe AI had anything to do with Jabril choosing G'town.. I'm too lazy to go back & look but iirc he picked G'town over Florida State because of the BE and because DC was close to home.. AI took pics with Bryant Crawford at the ground breaking and about about a week later he chose Wake Forest..
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Post by kchoya on Jun 9, 2015 12:47:49 GMT -5
If someone wants a Georgetown legend to teach guards the finer points of the game, call John Duren. Who?
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TC
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Post by TC on Jun 9, 2015 12:54:18 GMT -5
Must be Kevin Durant's brother or something.
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Post by professorhoya on Jun 9, 2015 12:59:23 GMT -5
Jabril basically came here because he was a huge Iverson fan growing up watching the 76ers. if it wasn't for Iverson he probably would have stayed in Philly or gone somewhere else. I don't believe AI had anything to do with Jabril choosing G'town.. I'm too lazy to go back & look but iirc he picked G'town over Florida State because of the BE and because DC was close to home.. It's been mentioned a couple times: "Georgetown, which is currently ranked 20th in the nation by the Associated Press, has produced such NBA greats as Patrick Ewing, Alonzo Mourning, Dikembe Mutombo and Allen Iverson, who Trawick calls his “favorite basketball player ever,” as well as recent stars Jeff Green and Roy Hibbert." www.montgomerynews.com/articles/2010/11/20/sports/doc4ce34a8948443264432617.txt "Favorite athlete is Allen Iverson and team is the Philadephia 76ers."www.guhoyas.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/jabril_trawick_765070.html"7) All the Georgetown basketball legends returned recently for the John R Thompson Jr. Intercollegiate Athletics Center dedication ceremony. Allen Iverson showed up. You're guard from Philly who grew up watching the Hoyas legend play guard for the 76ers. Right now, today, who wins a game of one-on-one. JT: I think I'd win. I don't want to play AI. I'd rather play someone like (Michael) Jordan. I grew up watching AI. He's really my idol. (So, you don't want to mess with the legend, the fandom.). Yeah. That's my boy right there."www.csnwashington.com/ncaa/hoyas-countdown-no-17-jabril-trawick-ready-more
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Post by Buckets on Jun 9, 2015 13:01:22 GMT -5
What exactly did Allen Iverson do that was so egregious? It's not like he got into rape trouble like Kobe Bryant, is a sexual deviant horrible father who lacks all self control like Tiger Woods, killed someone like Oscar Pistorius, Ray Lewis (possibly), Aaron Hernandez, loaded up on roids or drugs like Arod, Lance Armstrong, Barry Bonds or was a child abuser who beat one of his many out of wedlock sons like Adrian Peterson. From earlier in the thread: deadspin.com/allen-iverson-has-destroyed-the-legacy-of-allen-iverson-1708683536So yeah, he did not commit murder, and I don't think any of those are convictions, but you've got pretty strong evidence of a guy with a history of domestic abuse, alcoholism, and gambling problems. Outside of a few interviews where he sounds reasonable for 15 minutes at a time, I'm not sure there's a ton of evidence he's really changed from the guy who did all those things.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jun 9, 2015 13:06:12 GMT -5
I wonder how many people posting here have even seen the documentary "Iverson" and the most recent interview. Not too many of us, I would venture to say, could have gone through what he has and come out on the other side with such a positive view of it and life in general.
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 9, 2015 13:08:26 GMT -5
AI is still relevant to recruits in my opinion. His distance from playing would matter if he were a average/good NBA player. Iverson would make that Top 50 list if they redid it. As stated above, he is an Icon. If Chuck walked into a HS kids living room and said "come to GTown and you get to work with me daily". We are landing more guards than we lose. Putting aside the academic degree issue previously discussed and whether Iverson could actually commit to a full time job given his off-court issues, today's recruits aren't choosing a school because of who played there 20 years ago. Style of play (and ability to contribute) drives these decisions. If someone wants a Georgetown legend to teach guards the finer points of the game, call John Duren. Jabril says hi.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 9, 2015 13:10:05 GMT -5
What exactly did Allen Iverson do that was so egregious? It's not like he got into rape trouble like Kobe Bryant, is a sexual deviant horrible father who lacks all self control like Tiger Woods, killed someone like Oscar Pistorius, Ray Lewis (possibly), Aaron Hernandez, loaded up on roids or drugs like Arod, Lance Armstrong, Barry Bonds or was a child abuser who beat one of his many out of wedlock sons like Adrian Peterson. I honestly don't know what Iverson's past was like beyond what I've read on Wikipedia. All I know is that if you were creating a role model NBA player to join the staff, it wouldn't be Iverson (and that's not meant as a knock against him, even though I know it sounds that way). The fact is, Iverson had a number of bad habits that caused him to lose large amounts of money over a relatively short period of time. Recently, he was quoted talking about allegations relating to him and paying for strippers. Again, he's welcome to do anything he wants in his private life, but those really aren't the sound bites you're looking for in an assistant coach or someone to mentor 17 and 18 year olds on a daily basis. I've often said JTIII likely would have never touched recruiting Iverson with a ten foot pole.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 9, 2015 13:11:43 GMT -5
I wonder how many people posting here have even seen the documentary "Iverson" and the most recent interview. Not too many of us, I would venture to say, could have gone through what he has and come out on the other side with such a positive view of it and life in general. Perhaps. But, you don't choose assistant coaches based on their positive view of life in general.
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