tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Jun 8, 2015 21:51:03 GMT -5
Listening to some of the comments, and brushing academics aside for a moment, based on a few of the comments, you seem to prescribe to the idea that certain individuals should just flat out be cancelled. All I say is he who is without sin cast the first stone. I suggest that you watch the interview with Iverson. He is an intelligent guy. Not to mention, he is the most famous product Georgetown has created as well as a player who changed the face of the NBA. I still say--and I will maintain--it is redemption time for Allen Iverson! Bill Clinton says hi.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jun 8, 2015 22:00:06 GMT -5
Listening to some of the comments, and brushing academics aside for a moment, based on a few of the comments, you seem to prescribe to the idea that certain individuals should just flat out be cancelled. All I say is he who is without sin cast the first stone. I suggest that you watch the interview with Iverson. He is an intelligent guy. Not to mention, he is the most famous product Georgetown has created as well as a player who changed the face of the NBA. I still say--and I will maintain--it is redemption time for Allen Iverson! Bill Clinton says hi. Hello!!!!
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Post by kchoya on Jun 8, 2015 22:41:09 GMT -5
Listening to some of the comments, and brushing academics aside for a moment, based on a few of the comments, you seem to prescribe to the idea that certain individuals should just flat out be cancelled. All I say is he who is without sin cast the first stone. I suggest that you watch the interview with Iverson. He is an intelligent guy. Not to mention, he is the most famous product Georgetown has created as well as a player who changed the face of the NBA. I still say--and I will maintain--it is redemption time for Allen Iverson! I'm curious, how do you "cancel" someone?
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Post by gutuna on Jun 8, 2015 22:51:12 GMT -5
Listening to some of the comments, and brushing academics aside for a moment, based on a few of the comments, you seem to prescribe to the idea that certain individuals should just flat out be cancelled. All I say is he who is without sin cast the first stone. I suggest that you watch the interview with Iverson. He is an intelligent guy. Not to mention, he is the most famous product Georgetown has created as well as a player who changed the face of the NBA. I still say--and I will maintain--it is redemption time for Allen Iverson! I'm curious, how do you "cancel" someone? Terminate...with extreme prejudice
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jun 8, 2015 23:32:14 GMT -5
I'm curious, how do you "cancel" someone? Terminate...with extreme prejudice There you go. Hope that answers your question. Not difficult at all to do, depending on who you are, where you come from, or what you look like, just to take it one step further. As a matter of fact, if you watch "Iverson," you will see the story of a young man who was almost "cancelled".
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jun 8, 2015 23:35:37 GMT -5
"cancel" = To cut short the life of one, or deprive him or her of living out his or her God-given potential!
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Jun 9, 2015 4:27:08 GMT -5
Campus will need more handicapped parking....
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jun 9, 2015 7:10:49 GMT -5
His job will be to run practice.
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Post by bigelephant on Jun 9, 2015 7:19:23 GMT -5
Yeah! Right!
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Post by daymondmyles on Jun 9, 2015 7:19:41 GMT -5
Can we kick POD off for that? Seriously though, that really is outrageous. It is NOT universally agreed upon that he's a pretty bad person. What's the matter with you? Get that crap off this board. Not to mention the "stupid" comment. Sorry if you'd like to deify the guy, but he's not a good person, in my opinion, and that's "pretty universally" agreed upon. An absentee father, domestic abuser, and alcoholic to the detriment of his family? Yeah, I'm okay with that characterization. deadspin.com/allen-iverson-has-destroyed-the-legacy-of-allen-iverson-1708683536It's like a Cuse fan saying "Put Eric Devendorf on staff." Both have a history of serious character flaws and substance abuse, neither has a degree, and neither has ever coached at any level. I have many thoughts on this but I'll just say thank you for reminding me why I am coming to this site less and less.
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AltoSaxa
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Post by AltoSaxa on Jun 9, 2015 7:45:46 GMT -5
He doesn't have a degree. He can't be on staff without one. It's that simple Funny how a former player cannot coach without a degree but players can play without any intention to complete the work for a degree.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jun 9, 2015 9:47:06 GMT -5
I am a very strong believer in the concept of redemption, forgiveness and atonement. That said, Allen has years of misdeeds and mistakes to make up for before he would warrant a job of responsibility and leadership involving young men.
Perhaps a good starting point would be a meeting every year with Hoya athletes - and maybe not just basketball players - talking about mistakes he has made, the importance of getting away from the wrong people, etc. I don't know if he would even have any interest in any association with the program, but if so, he would have a long road to earn that association.
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Post by guru on Jun 9, 2015 10:06:28 GMT -5
This is an absurd conversation. Has AI shown any interest at all in Georgetown since driving off in his black Cadillac in late winter 1995?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jun 9, 2015 10:28:43 GMT -5
This is an absurd conversation. Has AI shown any interest at all in Georgetown since driving off in his black Cadillac in late winter 1995? Of course this thread presumes there would be some interest, if not we are just killing time until November. And even then it probably does not make the Top Ten of absurd HoyaTalk conversations!
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Post by kchoya on Jun 9, 2015 11:02:49 GMT -5
This is an absurd conversation. Has AI shown any interest at all in Georgetown since driving off in his black Cadillac in late winter 1995? Funny, I remember him playing a few games in 1996.
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hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Jun 9, 2015 11:03:28 GMT -5
This is an absurd conversation. Has AI shown any interest at all in Georgetown since driving off in his black Cadillac in late winter 1995? Guru, Chuck was on campus and took pictures with recruits last season. I agree that it would never happen even if Chuck had an degree but it would be great for recruiting. I don't think we would have any problem getting almost any guard that we wanted. But there is a difference between being good at the game and knowing the game.
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TC
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Post by TC on Jun 9, 2015 11:17:57 GMT -5
This is an absurd conversation. Has AI shown any interest at all in Georgetown since driving off in his black Cadillac in late winter 1995? Guru, Chuck was on campus and took pictures with recruits last season. I agree that it would never happen even if Chuck had an degree but it would be great for recruiting. I don't think we would have any problem getting almost any guard that we wanted. I do. I don't think a ploy like this would change the recruiting equation whatsoever. Iverson hasn't been an NBA factor since 2007. Would the class of 2017 even remember him? You could make Allen Iverson, Bradley Cooper, Daredevil, and an Apple Watch assistant coaches and it wouldn't change the fact that recruits tour McDonough Gym.
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guru
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Post by guru on Jun 9, 2015 11:30:14 GMT -5
This is an absurd conversation. Has AI shown any interest at all in Georgetown since driving off in his black Cadillac in late winter 1995? Funny, I remember playing a few games in 1996. Good catch! You're always on top of things around here.
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 9, 2015 11:31:14 GMT -5
This is an absurd conversation. Has AI shown any interest at all in Georgetown since driving off in his black Cadillac in late winter 1995? Yes
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 9, 2015 11:33:59 GMT -5
I think the idea of Allen Iverson associating with the program is not a bad one. The guy was a great player at Georgetown, and he was a huge NBA star. Georgetown generally has done a pretty good job of keeping positive contacts with alumni over the years. There is no reason not to do the same with Iverson, if he wants that association.
All that being said, obviously Allen Iverson has had some troubles over the years. I think it is reasonable to have some concerns there and it is probably a reason why you would not go out and rush to add him to the staff (if that was even possible) or to create a position for him whereby he had an official relationship with the university. As somebody else said above, that might be something to aim for going forward, but it seems like it would be an awfully big step to make without anything in between.
As far as recruiting, I do think it could help somewhat, but I also think people are way overstating the case. Getting any guard we wanted? I don't think so. The top guys are still going to be drawn to the Kentucky type blue bloods of the world, and as others said, with each passing year Iverson's NBA days get farther removed. Granted, I think it would still be a huge draw for some parents, but I don't think it would be nearly the impact some people are envisioning.
Regardless, I would be totally and completely shocked if Iverson were to take any official position with the university.
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