drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Mar 4, 2015 10:59:35 GMT -5
Again, let me ask the question regarding the use of Hinkle Field House. Wasn't it understood that BE teams would not play in on campus arenas but use nearby major arenas? Despite last night's win, we are really at a disadvantage when we go on the road if teams can choose to play us at a 8,900 seat on campus field house rather than at an18,000 seat nearby arena. Who decides where these games are played? Originally, yes, there was a rule requiring a certain capacity, but it hasn't been enforced for some time (mid 90s?). Nova plays a lot (most?) of its BE home games at the Pavillion (which is smaller than Hinkle) and St. John's plays a handful of BE home games at their on-campus facility (which is smaller too). You just don't notice because both teams games against us are almost always at their big building. I like playing at Verizon but only because it is easier to get a ticket there than it would be at a small (9,000 seat) on campus GU arena. But I would hate to play Butler or Nova or St John's at their field house if the game was for the BE championship. You think the refs were influenced by the crowd last night? Ask Aaron Bowen.
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Post by beenaround on Mar 4, 2015 11:06:21 GMT -5
Again, let me ask the question regarding the use of Hinkle Field House. Wasn't it understood that BE teams would not play in on campus arenas but use nearby major arenas? Despite last night's win, we are really at a disadvantage when we go on the road if teams can choose to play us at a 8,900 seat on campus field house rather than at an18,000 seat nearby arena. Who decides where these games are played? Playing in major arenas was a general principle of the original Big East, but the home team gets to decide where they play. So, if you have an on-campus arena, you use it - even if you also use a big off-campus site. St. John's played SHU at Carnesseca, Nova uses the Pavilion a few times a year. In fact, they use it heavily in years when the Wells Fargo Center is hosting NCAA games, so they can get sent there for the tourney. I'd much rather we play Butler in Hinkle than in the Pacers building. Good for them that they have that available to them. I love watching a college basketball game played in an on campus arena. Far more enjoyable then in a half filled, pro venue. Hinkle, Cameron, Nova's Pavillion, even Smith Center. I understand the neighborhood and other factors keep us from having such a place, and it is a disadvantage...but we have plenty of other built in advantages over schools like Butler, as well.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 4, 2015 11:14:10 GMT -5
Again, let me ask the question regarding the use of Hinkle Field House. Wasn't it understood that BE teams would not play in on campus arenas but use nearby major arenas? Despite last night's win, we are really at a disadvantage when we go on the road if teams can choose to play us at a 8,900 seat on campus field house rather than at an18,000 seat nearby arena. Who decides where these games are played? If you would like to build (with your own money) a new 9000 seat on campus arena with accompanying parking structure and metro access I'm sure Georgetown would be most welcoming of it.
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Post by capcenterhoya on Mar 4, 2015 11:20:04 GMT -5
ESPN never even put together a highlight clip of this game to show on any of its networks Really? I thought DSR's ankle breaker made the top 10? I missed that if true. I am referring to just the generic highlights that ESPN will show during a halftime show or attach onto the game recap. I saw countless highlights of Maryland and Rutgers. Considering Butler is ranked, I was surprised. May be nothing since there were a lot of top ranked teams in action.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 4, 2015 11:20:50 GMT -5
In my best Groucho Marx imitation: "Chrabascz wanted to play this game in the worst way. . .and he certainly did." This morning I became patently aware of my confirmation bias regarding certain aspects of Georgetown basketball. I always think along the lines of: "Of course Chrabascz comes back in time to play Georgetown. It's just our luck. He's going to make the difference." During the game, he hit two very timely threes and it reinforced my initial opinion. Then I looked over the box score and see he was certainly was 2-3 from three, but also 1-7 from 2 and 0-6 from the line. Watching the game, somehow I saw none of that. Well, he's a 31% 3pt shooter and he was 2-3 (66%) so the extra 3pts can subsidize his awful FT shooting. He also was critical in getting Joshua and Hopkins in foul trouble, even forcing Bradley Hayes sightings and getting Butler to the double bonus (so they could avoid one and ones). So overall he was a net positive. Honestly if he wasn't out there last night, Joshua and Hopkins wouldn't have gotten in foul trouble and would have dominated down low.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 4, 2015 11:23:02 GMT -5
Really? I thought DSR's ankle breaker made the top 10? And for most of late last night, the Gtown game was the top story on the right hand column of the NCAAB page (Kentucky over GA of course was the middle story with picture). I am sure there is some truth to the concerns over ESPN's coverage / treatment of the BE, but I suspect it is a bit overblown/exaggerated. No, even their app website omitted the Hoyas-Butler game from the default scoreboard even though they usually list top 25 scores.
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Post by wrestlemania on Mar 4, 2015 11:30:07 GMT -5
The win also makes up for the fact that Indiana dropped out of the top 50 RPI after being crushed by Iowa at home. Bottom appears to be falling out there. Also interesting that Xavier is barely top 50 even though they beat us twice and only have three more losses.
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Post by bmartin on Mar 4, 2015 11:31:37 GMT -5
The rebound stats are a little misleading. Seven of their offensive rebounds were team rebounds when the ball went out of bounds off Georgetown. Five of those were blocked shots.
MISSED LAYUP by JONES, Roosevelt BLOCK by Copeland, Isaac REBOUND (OFF) by (TEAM)
MISSED LAYUP by JONES, Roosevelt BLOCK by Trawick, Jabril REBOUND (OFF) by (TEAM)
MISSED LAYUP by JONES, Roosevelt BLOCK by Hopkins, Mikael REBOUND (OFF) by (TEAM)
MISSED LAYUP by JONES, Roosevelt BLOCK by Bowen, Aaron REBOUND (OFF) by (TEAM)
MISSED LAYUP by CHRABASCZ, Andrew BLOCK by Copeland, Isaac REBOUND (OFF) by (TEAM)
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 4, 2015 11:32:27 GMT -5
ESPN never even put together a highlight clip of this game to show on any of its networks The day will come when they cannot ignore us.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 4, 2015 11:37:03 GMT -5
Again, let me ask the question regarding the use of Hinkle Field House. Wasn't it understood that BE teams would not play in on campus arenas but use nearby major arenas? Despite last night's win, we are really at a disadvantage when we go on the road if teams can choose to play us at a 8,900 seat on campus field house rather than at an 18,000 seat nearby arena. Who decides where these games are played? The Big East leaves it up to each school where they play--there used to be a mandatory 6000 seat requirement...where St. John's "claimed" that Alumni Hall sat 6,008 but now they suddenly claim it's 5,602. Hinkle Fieldhouse used to seat upwards of 15,000 in the 1980's but they've dialed it back to account for individual seating. Every Big East fan should see a game there. (Georgetown's ongoing "kick the can" policy on facilities is a separate issue.)
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 4, 2015 11:55:28 GMT -5
This morning I became patently aware of my confirmation bias regarding certain aspects of Georgetown basketball. I always think along the lines of: "Of course Chrabascz comes back in time to play Georgetown. It's just our luck. He's going to make the difference." During the game, he hit two very timely threes and it reinforced my initial opinion. Then I looked over the box score and see he was certainly was 2-3 from three, but also 1-7 from 2 and 0-6 from the line. Watching the game, somehow I saw none of that. Well, he's a 31% 3pt shooter and he was 2-3 (66%) so the extra 3pts can subsidize his awful FT shooting. He also was critical in getting Joshua and Hopkins in foul trouble, even forcing Bradley Hayes sightings and getting Butler to the double bonus (so they could avoid one and ones). So overall he was a net positive. Honestly if he wasn't out there last night, Joshua and Hopkins wouldn't have gotten in foul trouble and would have dominated down low. He scored 8 points and dished two assists over 15 possessions -- that's terrible. Anyone can get fouls on Hopkins and Smith. In fact, they do, every single game. I suspect Woods and other folks have done just fine. He was a net negative for them unless he played out of this work defense.
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 4, 2015 12:04:30 GMT -5
And for most of late last night, the Gtown game was the top story on the right hand column of the NCAAB page (Kentucky over GA of course was the middle story with picture). I am sure there is some truth to the concerns over ESPN's coverage / treatment of the BE, but I suspect it is a bit overblown/exaggerated. No, even their app website omitted the Hoyas-Butler game from the default scoreboard even though they usually list top 25 scores. Is Butler Top 25 in the ESPN coaches poll?
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Post by jld on Mar 4, 2015 12:13:04 GMT -5
Some keys to the game:
1. Only 10 turnovers. 2. Dunham and Jones a combined 5 for 22. Dunham has all 8 is a two minute or so spurt and did not score for another 38 minutes. We allowed others to try to beat us and it worked. 3. Tre a great matchup for Barlow, a crafty fifth year senior but Tre's quickness compensated for Barlow's experience. 4. DSR has ice in his veins -- one of the best GU guards in decades in terms of a great college player. 5. Josh was key despite his limitations. 6. We will miss Hopkins when he is gone. His defense is outstanding.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 4, 2015 12:18:08 GMT -5
No, even their app website omitted the Hoyas-Butler game from the default scoreboard even though they usually list top 25 scores. Is Butler Top 25 in the ESPN coaches poll? #21 in AP Top 25, #21 in USA Today coaches poll, and #21 in ESPN Power Rankings. But they played us, so the score gets dropped from the default scoreboard. The graduates of Lower Canada Community College, as now employed at the Newhouse Alumni branch in Bristol CT, still bear malice against Georgetown for closing Manley Field House.
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 4, 2015 12:21:14 GMT -5
Some keys to the game: 1. Only 10 turnovers. 2. Dunham and Jones a combined 5 for 22. Dunham has all 8 is a two minute or so spurt and did not score for another 38 minutes. We allowed others to try to beat us and it worked. 3. Tre a great matchup for Barlow, a crafty fifth year senior but Tre's quickness compensated for Barlow's experience. 4. DSR has ice in his veins -- one of the best GU guards in decades in terms of a great college player. 5. Josh was key despite his limitations. 6. We will miss Hopkins when he is gone. His defense is outstanding. Agree especially with #4 and #6. DSR is terrific and while his offense is akin to Austin Freeman, his defense takes him to another level in my mind. He is not just a shooter, and he has morphed into a nice combo guard that is a more than willing defender (it was not always that way). My only ask of him, is to be more selfish on offense. If he has an opening, take it. Hopkins would get my most improved player this year. Once he started playing within himself on offense and stopped trying to be something he was not, Hop has been such a solid player for us. His defense now more than makes up for any shortcomings on offense that he still possesses. Actually, his defense really needs to be appreciated, how many mistakes does he make up for? He is the primary reason our 2pt FG% defense is among the best in the country.
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Post by guru on Mar 4, 2015 12:24:36 GMT -5
Is Butler Top 25 in the ESPN coaches poll? #21 in AP Top 25, #21 in USA Today coaches poll, and #21 in ESPN Power Rankings. But they played us, so the score gets dropped from the default scoreboard. The graduates of Lower Canada Community College, as now employed at the Newhouse Alumni branch in Bristol CT, still bear malice against Georgetown for closing Manley Field House. ESPN really is much more of a publicity machine than a news organization. They don't broadcast Big East hoops, hence it is ignored. (See also: NHL)
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Post by dense on Mar 4, 2015 12:59:43 GMT -5
Agree on the Hopkins point. The last 4 games he is playing like he knows it's almost over. He is doing all the little things right now and I definitely will miss him. One other point is that I think alot of the entry passes that Josh doesn't catch have more to do with him catching and always needing that dribble to get himself together allows the defense to rake him. On his last hoop last night I was so happy that he catches the entry high and never brought the ball down and went up right away fading away from the defense.
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Post by SirSaxa on Mar 4, 2015 13:12:04 GMT -5
Some keys to the game: 4. DSR has ice in his veins -- one of the best GU guards in decades in terms of a great college player. Totally agree with this one. Maybe we should try to place him on the list of "Best Guards of the JT3 era"? That would include (not ordered): Wallace Sapp Wright Freeman Starks Cook Clark Trawick Oh! I forgot Jeremiah I think the argument to place DSR number one on that list is eminently defensible.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 4, 2015 13:15:20 GMT -5
Some keys to the game: 4. DSR has ice in his veins -- one of the best GU guards in decades in terms of a great college player. Totally agree with this one. Maybe we should try to place him on the list of "Best Guards of the JT3 era"? That would include (not ordered): Wallace Sapp Wright Freeman Starks Cook Clark Trawick Oh! I forgot Jeremiah I think the argument to place DSR number one on that list is eminently defensible. Personally, I don't think there's an argument for anybody besides DSR. Wallace would be the only person I'd consider in the same ballpark, only because of his role on the most successful JT3 teams.
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 4, 2015 13:15:37 GMT -5
Some keys to the game: 4. DSR has ice in his veins -- one of the best GU guards in decades in terms of a great college player. Totally agree with this one. Maybe we should try to place him on the list of "Best Guards of the JT3 era"? That would include (not ordered): Wallace Sapp Wright Freeman Starks Cook Clark Trawick Oh! I forgot Jeremiah I think the argument to place DSR number one on that list is eminently defensible. Plus he has another year! I feel like he has already done so much for the Hoyas and hes only a JR!
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