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Post by Loyal Hoya on Mar 3, 2015 22:07:18 GMT -5
No Hoyatalk debate about DSR's new hair? You people are slipping. Rankin' Roger 'do with a jump shot full of tenderness
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 3, 2015 22:08:18 GMT -5
If DSR's new hair is going to get us Ws in hostile environments against ranked teams and keeps him a clutch player then I have no problem with it. Kind of nice to see his personality come out in a big homecoming game for him. Two games against hometown Butler this season, two clutch game-winning plays.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 3, 2015 22:08:33 GMT -5
And let's not forget the phantom 3pt foul on Dunham or was it Barlow. So that's -3 points right there. They only made 2/3 after that "foul". I think it was the basketball gods way of ensuring the outcome that would have otherwise happened on that play--no three pointer, but Butler would have got the rebound and the put back. Just sayin It also put them into the double bonus faster which was crucial for them considering how many free throw they were missing.
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Post by guru on Mar 3, 2015 22:11:08 GMT -5
I see, so we were only co-champs in 2013. The tiebreakers mean nothing then. Sure. 3 teams can be in "2nd place". To be fair, regular season ties with an unbalanced conference schedule makes it hard to determine who is the deserving champion. Kind of amazing that this needs to be pointed out. What a strange argument.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 3, 2015 22:13:10 GMT -5
Bowen had a great game tonight... but he has been absolutely terrible at locking down shooters this season. He did a great job on Dunham tonight but he is really not a good defender. He doesn't have the instincts or defensive IQ to be a consistent, reliable defender. Thompson really needs to make sure the match-ups are right to use Bowen effectively, tonight was one of those nights. I am not going down some negative road on such a great night. Bowen played great defense tonight. When you give Bowen a specific assignment, he is very capable. He is not great at team defense, but he can lock a guy down. Based on the commentary on this board, I am actually starting to think no Hoyas are good defenders and yet somehow they lead the BE in Defensive FG% and are a Top 30 Pomeroy Adj Defense? We don't grade on a curve. We are very demanding.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 3, 2015 22:14:14 GMT -5
No Hoyatalk debate about DSR's new hair? You people are slipping. You people? What's that supposed to mean, you people? I think we need to have a house meeting y'all! Here in Joisey we say "youse guys."
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Post by Loyal Hoya on Mar 3, 2015 22:15:11 GMT -5
Final Thoughts:2. Josh Smith and Mikael Hopkins combined for a tot of 16pts, 7/7 FG's, 8 Rebs, 1Stl, 4 Blks If we can continue to get that type of production out of the center spot, we can have a good post-season run. Smith had some big points down the stretch, and Hopkins was solid on the defensive side again, Happy with the scoring. Thrilled with the free throws, blocks, and steal. We need more than 8 rebounds in 40 minutes from the center position.
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 3, 2015 22:15:50 GMT -5
I see, so we were only co-champs in 2013. The tiebreakers mean nothing then. Sure. 3 teams can be in "2nd place". I think Cope is just about over the wall right now. Today he started very shaky, but except for that weird short-arm at the end that looked to me like he was uncomfortable for the very short jumper, his shots looked good, and the misses were by the barest of fractions. He played bad D in the first half, but was more energized in the second and had some really clutch blocks. Watching that second half, and the energy he was playing with, I'm hopeful we might see a resurgence in his game. White to me looks a bit gassed, and in need of a confidence boost. Taking everything to the rim tentatively, missing the long jumpers (many times because he hesitates at first, looking for another option). LJ to me does look like he's lost a good deal of lift and explosiveness that fits that "wall" definition. I do think these guys are all going to be very very good. Added strength and returning with a lot of experience from this year (and good vibes from their frosh post-season, I hope I hope!!) are going to make this group very tough next year. Love the confidence Campbell showed today. I think he and Peak are going to be steal leaders in the BE next year. JT3 needs to put an end to White's hesitancy. Every time he passes up an open look, he gets a quick hook to the bench. He needs to stop thinking and just shoot it. It will start going in. LJ is playing hard, but just not producing much. He has put in a lot of minutes this season, not surprised he is gassed. Copeland is a classic up and down freshman with a ton of talent. There is no wall for him, he is just going to hit shots some nights and not others. He is a good help defender, will improve as a primary defender. Campbell is used as match-ups dictate. He is by far the fastest player with the ball that we have and some nights he can really make a difference. This core 4 will be great for us, no doubt in my mind.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 3, 2015 22:17:57 GMT -5
If we can continue to get that type of production out of the center spot, we can have a good post-season run. Smith had some big points down the stretch, and Hopkins was solid on the defensive side again, Happy with the scoring. Thrilled with the free throws, blocks, and steal. We need more than 8 rebounds in 40 minutes from the center position.Alot of the offensive rebounds were coming off the forwards (Copeland especially) not boxing out. Can't blame that on the centers.
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Post by calhoya on Mar 3, 2015 22:25:04 GMT -5
Bowen is a much better defender than Peak or White and more consistent than Copeland. He has been a major contributor to the success of the team this year, as has Hopkins, another favorite whipping boy around here. Nope. Bowen is a worse defender than Peak and White overall and while he is better than Copeland, Copeland is the worst defender on the whole team. He did great tonight but tonight was the exception to the rule. And even still he lost Dunham on a few possessions to "help" when it was unnecessary, luckily Butler didn't notice. He just doesn't understand the schemes and has no idea how to read opposing offenses and completely lacks the fundamentals necessary to be consistent defensively. As good as he was in the second half he was equally horrible in the first and cost us a solid 6-8 points. Well I respect your opinion but just disagree.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 3, 2015 22:25:53 GMT -5
Plus/minus numbers for tonight's game, as calculated from the play-by-play posted at butlersports.com:
Campbell +17, Copeland +16, Hopkins +9, Trawick +3, Hayes even, Smith-Rivera even, Bowen -1, Smith -3, Peak -5, White -6.
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Post by SaxaCD on Mar 3, 2015 22:27:31 GMT -5
Bowen's three was huge. We probably won't see it again for the rest of the season, but for him, a career 24% shooter, a big deal. Lots of great things out of the game but three of the freshmen have hit the wall. Peak was 0-2, Copeland 1-6, and White 0-5. Campbell stepped up big with 10 pts. Big win, if for no other reason that it keeps Georgetown out of the Villanova bracket and a potential 4/5 game with St. John's. The Redmen are on a roll. I think Cope is just about over the wall right now. Today he started very shaky, but except for that weird short-arm at the end that looked to me like he was uncomfortable for the very short jumper, his shots looked good, and the misses were by the barest of fractions. He played bad D in the first half, but was more energized in the second and had some really clutch blocks. Watching that second half, and the energy he was playing with, I'm hopeful we might see a resurgence in his game. White to me looks a bit gassed, and in need of a confidence boost. Taking everything to the rim tentatively, missing the long jumpers (many times because he hesitates at first, looking for another option). LJ to me does look like he's lost a good deal of lift and explosiveness that fits that "wall" definition. I do think these guys are all going to be very very good. Added strength and returning with a lot of experience from this year (and good vibes from their frosh post-season, I hope I hope!!) are going to make this group very tough next year. Love the confidence Campbell showed today. I think he and Peak are going to be steal leaders in the BE next year.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 3, 2015 22:28:29 GMT -5
No Hoyatalk debate about DSR's new hair? You people are slipping. When I first saw that, it was from the back, and I thought he was suddenly going bald...
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Post by SaxaCD on Mar 3, 2015 22:30:07 GMT -5
I think Cope is just about over the wall right now. Today he started very shaky, but except for that weird short-arm at the end that looked to me like he was uncomfortable for the very short jumper, his shots looked good, and the misses were by the barest of fractions. He played bad D in the first half, but was more energized in the second and had some really clutch blocks. Watching that second half, and the energy he was playing with, I'm hopeful we might see a resurgence in his game. White to me looks a bit gassed, and in need of a confidence boost. Taking everything to the rim tentatively, missing the long jumpers (many times because he hesitates at first, looking for another option). LJ to me does look like he's lost a good deal of lift and explosiveness that fits that "wall" definition. I do think these guys are all going to be very very good. Added strength and returning with a lot of experience from this year (and good vibes from their frosh post-season, I hope I hope!!) are going to make this group very tough next year. Love the confidence Campbell showed today. I think he and Peak are going to be steal leaders in the BE next year. JT3 needs to put an end to White's hesitancy. Every time he passes up an open look, he gets a quick hook to the bench. He needs to stop thinking and just shoot it. It will start going in. LJ is playing hard, but just not producing much. He has put in a lot of minutes this season, not surprised he is gassed. Copeland is a classic up and down freshman with a ton of talent. There is no wall for him, he is just going to hit shots some nights and not others. He is a good help defender, will improve as a primary defender. Campbell is used as match-ups dictate. He is by far the fastest player with the ball that we have and some nights he can really make a difference. This core 4 will be great for us, no doubt in my mind. By the way, sorry for responding to the wrong post, BD. Happy post-game carelessness, I guess.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 3, 2015 22:40:15 GMT -5
Bowen's three was huge. We probably won't see it again for the rest of the season, but for him, a career 24% shooter, a big deal. Lots of great things out of the game but three of the freshmen have hit the wall. Peak was 0-2, Copeland 1-6, and White 0-5. Campbell stepped up big with 10 pts. Big win, if for no other reason that it keeps Georgetown out of the Villanova bracket and a potential 4/5 game with St. John's. The Redmen are on a roll. I think Cope is just about over the wall right now. Today he started very shaky, but except for that weird short-arm at the end that looked to me like he was uncomfortable for the very short jumper, his shots looked good, and the misses were by the barest of fractions. He played bad D in the first half, but was more energized in the second and had some really clutch blocks. Watching that second half, and the energy he was playing with, I'm hopeful we might see a resurgence in his game. White to me looks a bit gassed, and in need of a confidence boost. Taking everything to the rim tentatively, missing the long jumpers (many times because he hesitates at first, looking for another option). LJ to me does look like he's lost a good deal of lift and explosiveness that fits that "wall" definition. I do think these guys are all going to be very very good. Added strength and returning with a lot of experience from this year (and good vibes from their frosh post-season, I hope I hope!!) are going to make this group very tough next year. Love the confidence Campbell showed today. I think he and Peak are going to be steal leaders in the BE next year. Copeland's doing fine. He's a net positive out there and someone teams fear on both ends of the court. (Defensively his rim protecting is huge even if his ability to box out or play man to man D is not developed at this point). White is lost right now and I can't really see it getting fixed this season. He's lost alot of confidence. Peak is the same to me. He loves to run (Kenner league, running teams) and attack the basket with dribble penetratoin but struggles against Pack the Line defenses like Butler, Wisconsin, UVA etc that are designed to stop dribble penetration. His outside shot/3 pt has been inconsistent from the beginning so I'm just not sure it was ever that good to begin with. It might be matter of him not being comfortable with the college 3pt range yet.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 3, 2015 22:45:47 GMT -5
Looking at the play-by-play. . .Butler's last lead was with 9:21 to play, when Isaac Copeland hit two foul shots to give GU a 41-40 lead. DSR followed with a three, and we never trailed again. Butler had opportunities to take the lead, or at least tie the game, but never was able to do so. The Hoya defense clamped down, and in a season when we have decried our foul shooting ability, our prowess versus Butler's poor foul shooting was the difference.
Tre Campbell was sensational. Look for his minutes to go up, and for Peak's to come down.
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Post by canissaxa on Mar 3, 2015 22:47:44 GMT -5
Just finished on DVR. My hat is off to DSR--love that our best player has now won a couple games on the defensive end.
Very solid game by the whole team. Not a lot of mental mistakes. Good intensity and focus.
Really started to get a bit worried in the 2nd half during their run--we started to look extremely tentative on offense. In particular with DSR resting, but in general. Kind of wish JTIII had taken a timeout to get the team more aggressive, but turns out it wasn't necessary.
Nice win. Definitely 2nd best win of the season, and arguably best win given that the Nova margin was driven by some abnormally skewed 3pt percentages by both teams.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 3, 2015 22:55:55 GMT -5
Just finished on DVR. My hat is off to DSR--love that our best player has now won a couple games on the defensive end. Very solid game by the whole team. Not a lot of mental mistakes. Good intensity and focus. Really started to get a bit worried in the 2nd half during their run--we started to look extremely tentative on offense. In particular with DSR resting, but in general. Kind of wish JTIII had taken a timeout to get the team more aggressive, but turns out it wasn't necessary. Nice win. Definitely 2nd best win of the season, and arguably best win given that the Nova margin was driven by some abnormally skewed 3pt percentages by both teams. I thought there were alot of mental mistakes, especially in the first half. DSR getting the offensive rebound and then passing it right to Butler for a fast break. Copeland getting the defensive rebound and then going to inbound the ball thinking it was an inbound pass causing the whistle. Trawick getting caught in the air and passing it to Butler for another fast break.
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Post by canissaxa on Mar 3, 2015 23:03:48 GMT -5
Just finished on DVR. My hat is off to DSR--love that our best player has now won a couple games on the defensive end. Very solid game by the whole team. Not a lot of mental mistakes. Good intensity and focus. Really started to get a bit worried in the 2nd half during their run--we started to look extremely tentative on offense. In particular with DSR resting, but in general. Kind of wish JTIII had taken a timeout to get the team more aggressive, but turns out it wasn't necessary. Nice win. Definitely 2nd best win of the season, and arguably best win given that the Nova margin was driven by some abnormally skewed 3pt percentages by both teams. I thought there were alot of mental mistakes, especially in the first half. DSR getting the offensive rebound and then passing it right to Butler for a fast break. Copeland getting the defensive rebound and then going to inbound the ball thinking it was an inbound pass causing the whistle. Trawick getting caught in the air and passing it to Butler for another fast break. Agreed that there were mental mistakes. Almost listed a few that came to mind. "Not a lot" was relative to our baseline.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 3, 2015 23:25:37 GMT -5
Bowen's three was huge. We probably won't see it again for the rest of the season, but for him, a career 24% shooter, a big deal. Lots of great things out of the game but three of the freshmen have hit the wall. Peak was 0-2, Copeland 1-6, and White 0-5. Campbell stepped up big with 10 pts. Big win, if for no other reason that it keeps Georgetown out of the Villanova bracket and a potential 4/5 game with St. John's. The Redmen are on a roll. There are stil scenarios where we could be the 4, or even the 5.
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