Big Dog
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 3, 2015 21:43:18 GMT -5
The fact that they handed trophies to those teams was incredibly stupid. But whatever. The point is, I'm not going to walk around saying "hey, we finished second in the Big East!" if we do not, in fact, get the #2 seed. Ok. If you say so. That doesn't feel like "everybody gets a trophy!" to you?
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njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 3, 2015 21:43:48 GMT -5
Bowen's three was huge. We probably won't see it again for the rest of the season, but for him, a career 24% shooter, a big deal. Lots of great things out of the game but three of the freshmen have hit the wall. Peak was 0-2, Copeland 1-6, and White 0-5. Campbell stepped up big with 10 pts. Big win, if for no other reason that it keeps Georgetown out of the Villanova bracket and a potential 4/5 game with St. John's. The Redmen are on a roll. Still need to beat Seton Hall to assure ourselves that we finish no lower than third. If we lose to The Hall and Butler beats PC, we can still finish fourth.
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Mar 3, 2015 21:44:41 GMT -5
Bowen's three was huge. We probably won't see it again for the rest of the season, but for him, a career 24% shooter, a big deal. Lots of great things out of the game but three of the freshmen have hit the wall. Peak was 0-2, Copeland 1-6, and White 0-5. Campbell stepped up big with 10 pts. Big win, if for no other reason that it keeps Georgetown out of the Villanova bracket and a potential 4/5 game with St. John's. The Redmen are on a roll. I am convinced that freshmen scoring is hurt by the clogging presence of our bigs in the lane. It is difficult to drive in there when Smith and his two defenders are always in your way. I guess we will find out next year. This is just crazy. Not only should Smith and his two defenders mean SOMEONE ELSE IS WIDE OPEN (which there always is, but no one on this team can pass or cut), but he doesn't even play enough to be the reason they aren't scoring. I agree with the wall theory with a dash of lost confidence. Peak needs to work on finishing as he put himself in great positions to score frequently, White needs to work on his confidence in his shot and going up strong, Copeland is a combination of both. It's Thompson's job to figure out how to get them out of this funk, but it's a pretty tough task and they likely won't get over it until next season. I don't get the Smith hate. His biggest issue is that 1) no one on this team can make an entry pass and 2) Fouls. We'd be much better if we could use him effectively both with entry passes and finding the man who is always wide open when he is doubled.
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hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 3, 2015 21:46:28 GMT -5
We wuz lucky. Our free throw defense won the game for us. Poor Chrabascz (I'm sure I mangled the spelling) had his Hopkins Game.
Kameron Woods had almost as many rebounds as our entire team. I know this is one of Butler's specialties, but still...SMH.
Still a great win, and cancels out one of the Providence losses.
So with one game left in the Big East regular season, I'd say we lost two games we should have one (Provy and Provy) and won two games we should have lost (tonight and at Marquette). I will definitely take 12-6. Hopefully we'll get there on Saturday.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 3, 2015 21:46:37 GMT -5
Bowen's three was huge. We probably won't see it again for the rest of the season, but for him, a career 24% shooter, a big deal. Lots of great things out of the game but three of the freshmen have hit the wall. Peak was 0-2, Copeland 1-6, and White 0-5. Campbell stepped up big with 10 pts. Big win, if for no other reason that it keeps Georgetown out of the Villanova bracket and a potential 4/5 game with St. John's. The Redmen are on a roll. I am convinced that freshmen scoring is hurt by the clogging presence of our bigs in the lane. It is difficult to drive in there when Smith and his two defenders are always in your way. I guess we will find out next year. No, Paul White is missing wide open looks. Has nothing to do with the bigs clogging the lane. He's lost confidence in his shot and now his mechanics (which was very good early in the season) are starting to deteriorate.
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Post by calhoya on Mar 3, 2015 21:46:56 GMT -5
Forgot to mention the lockdown defense Bowen put on Dunham after his mini run. How big was that?! We always focus on Bowen's offense or lack of it at times, but, he can lock down on a guy as good as anyone this season and he did while hitting a big 3 tonight! Nice game Aaron Bowen, just keep working on those rainbow FTs, when they go in it is pretty, but when they catch some rim - ouch. Bowen had a great game tonight... but he has been absolutely terrible at locking down shooters this season. He did a great job on Dunham tonight but he is really not a good defender. He doesn't have the instincts or defensive IQ to be a consistent, reliable defender. Thompson really needs to make sure the match-ups are right to use Bowen effectively, tonight was one of those nights. Bowen is a much better defender than Peak or White and more consistent than Copeland. He has been a major contributor to the success of the team this year, as has Hopkins, another favorite whipping boy around here.
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Post by centercourt400s on Mar 3, 2015 21:48:25 GMT -5
Just so everyone is clear... the hair is yellow... burnt yellow if you must. Never, never would DSR get orange hair.
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Big Dog
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 3, 2015 21:50:31 GMT -5
I am convinced that freshmen scoring is hurt by the clogging presence of our bigs in the lane. It is difficult to drive in there when Smith and his two defenders are always in your way. I guess we will find out next year. No, Paul White is missing wide open looks. Has nothing to do with the bigs clogging the lane. He's lost confidence in his shot and now his mechanics (which was very good early in the season) are starting to deteriorate. Was thinking more of Peak and Isaac. White just doesn't have good looking form.
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 3, 2015 21:50:44 GMT -5
That doesn't feel like "everybody gets a trophy!" to you? In a true round robin, you are probably right that Providence would be a clear #2 since they beat us twice. But, with an unbalanced schedule in 2013, I couldn't complain to much about having to share that title. Regardless, I think 12-6 and tied for 2nd, but losing the tiebreaker, is a good season. 5-4 on the road is quite impressive.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 3, 2015 21:51:16 GMT -5
No Hoyatalk debate about DSR's new hair? You people are slipping. If we don't mention it, maybe it doesn't exist. ...he looks lighter...
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 3, 2015 21:51:40 GMT -5
I am convinced that freshmen scoring is hurt by the clogging presence of our bigs in the lane. It is difficult to drive in there when Smith and his two defenders are always in your way. I guess we will find out next year. This is just crazy. Not only should Smith and his two defenders mean SOMEONE ELSE IS WIDE OPEN (which there always is, but no one on this team can pass or cut), but he doesn't even play enough to be the reason they aren't scoring. I agree with the wall theory with a dash of lost confidence. Peak needs to work on finishing as he put himself in great positions to score frequently, White needs to work on his confidence in his shot and going up strong, Copeland is a combination of both. It's Thompson's job to figure out how to get them out of this funk, but it's a pretty tough task and they likely won't get over it until next season. I don't get the Smith hate. His biggest issue is that 1) no one on this team can make an entry pass and 2) Fouls. We'd be much better if we could use him effectively both with entry passes and finding the man who is always wide open when he is doubled. He's an easy guy to pick on (from one's living room or behind the computer) because he comes across as a nice guy.
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Big Dog
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 3, 2015 21:53:26 GMT -5
This is just crazy. Not only should Smith and his two defenders mean SOMEONE ELSE IS WIDE OPEN (which there always is, but no one on this team can pass or cut), but he doesn't even play enough to be the reason they aren't scoring. I agree with the wall theory with a dash of lost confidence. Peak needs to work on finishing as he put himself in great positions to score frequently, White needs to work on his confidence in his shot and going up strong, Copeland is a combination of both. It's Thompson's job to figure out how to get them out of this funk, but it's a pretty tough task and they likely won't get over it until next season. I don't get the Smith hate. His biggest issue is that 1) no one on this team can make an entry pass and 2) Fouls. We'd be much better if we could use him effectively both with entry passes and finding the man who is always wide open when he is doubled. He's an easy guy to pick on (from one's living room or behind the computer) because he comes across as a nice guy. He has some desirable skills that are quite rare, but comes with a TON of liabilities as well. He is a guy that I would love to see the most advanced stats/trackers we have on.
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 3, 2015 21:53:37 GMT -5
Forgot to mention the lockdown defense Bowen put on Dunham after his mini run. How big was that?! We always focus on Bowen's offense or lack of it at times, but, he can lock down on a guy as good as anyone this season and he did while hitting a big 3 tonight! Nice game Aaron Bowen, just keep working on those rainbow FTs, when they go in it is pretty, but when they catch some rim - ouch. Bowen had a great game tonight... but he has been absolutely terrible at locking down shooters this season. He did a great job on Dunham tonight but he is really not a good defender. He doesn't have the instincts or defensive IQ to be a consistent, reliable defender. Thompson really needs to make sure the match-ups are right to use Bowen effectively, tonight was one of those nights. I am not going down some negative road on such a great night. Bowen played great defense tonight. When you give Bowen a specific assignment, he is very capable. He is not great at team defense, but he can lock a guy down. Based on the commentary on this board, I am actually starting to think no Hoyas are good defenders and yet somehow they lead the BE in Defensive FG% and are a Top 30 Pomeroy Adj Defense?
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Post by sleepy on Mar 3, 2015 21:55:41 GMT -5
Bowen had a great game tonight... but he has been absolutely terrible at locking down shooters this season. He did a great job on Dunham tonight but he is really not a good defender. He doesn't have the instincts or defensive IQ to be a consistent, reliable defender. Thompson really needs to make sure the match-ups are right to use Bowen effectively, tonight was one of those nights. Bowen is a much better defender than Peak or White and more consistent than Copeland. He has been a major contributor to the success of the team this year, as has Hopkins, another favorite whipping boy around here. Nope. Bowen is a worse defender than Peak and White overall and while he is better than Copeland, Copeland is the worst defender on the whole team. He did great tonight but tonight was the exception to the rule. And even still he lost Dunham on a few possessions to "help" when it was unnecessary, luckily Butler didn't notice. He just doesn't understand the schemes and has no idea how to read opposing offenses and completely lacks the fundamentals necessary to be consistent defensively. As good as he was in the second half he was equally horrible in the first and cost us a solid 6-8 points.
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 3, 2015 21:56:11 GMT -5
Since people are pointing out Butler's poor free throw shooting, it's probably worth mentioning that even if they had shot their season average of 68% from the line they only would have made 5 more points, which would leave them with exactly the same result--a loss in DSR's city
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 3, 2015 21:58:35 GMT -5
Since people are pointing out Butler's poor free throw shooting, it's probably worth mentioning that even if they had shot their season average of 68% from the line they only would have made 5 more points, which would leave them with exactly the same result--a loss in DSR's city And let's not forget the phantom 3pt foul on Dunham or was it Barlow. So that's -3 points right there.
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 3, 2015 21:58:42 GMT -5
Just finished watching my DVR....what a win.
DSR is so freaking clutch. He is the Butler assassin.
Very pleased to steal one at Hinkel.
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Post by hobokenhoya on Mar 3, 2015 21:59:48 GMT -5
No Hoyatalk debate about DSR's new hair? You people are slipping. You people? What's that supposed to mean, you people? I think we need to have a house meeting y'all!
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 3, 2015 22:01:38 GMT -5
Since people are pointing out Butler's poor free throw shooting, it's probably worth mentioning that even if they had shot their season average of 68% from the line they only would have made 5 more points, which would leave them with exactly the same result--a loss in DSR's city And let's not forget the phantom 3pt foul on Dunham or was it Barlow. So that's -3 points right there. They only made 2/3 after that "foul". I think it was the basketball gods way of ensuring the outcome that would have otherwise happened on that play--no three pointer, but Butler would have got the rebound and the put back. Just sayin
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Post by hobokenhoya on Mar 3, 2015 22:03:57 GMT -5
You can refuse it all you want. But it is the truth. I see, so we were only co-champs in 2013. The tiebreakers mean nothing then. Sure. 3 teams can be in "2nd place". To be fair, regular season ties with an unbalanced conference schedule makes it hard to determine who is the deserving champion.
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