SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Mar 4, 2015 13:19:55 GMT -5
ESPN really is much more of a publicity machine than a news organization. Most TV "news" organizations are really entertainment operations. By comparison, ESPN's "integrity" quotient would come out quite well. At least the E in ESPN stands for "Entertainment" and the word "news" doesn't appear in their name nor mission statement.
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 4, 2015 13:30:51 GMT -5
The win also makes up for the fact that Indiana dropped out of the top 50 RPI after being crushed by Iowa at home. Bottom appears to be falling out there. Also interesting that Xavier is barely top 50 even though they beat us twice and only have three more losses. I think these are very important points. We're getting close to Xavier being considered somewhat "bad losses" if they drop out of the top 50 RPI (currently #45). We really need XU to beat Creighton on Saturday. Although, even by just playing that game, it might be possible for Xavier's RPI to go down...not sure exactly how the RPI math works. While we picked up a very good road win yesterday, we also lost a "good" neutral court win RPI-wise with Indiana dropping to #53. A Hoosiers home win against Michigan State (RPI #30) this weekend would be nice.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 4, 2015 14:08:53 GMT -5
One other point is that I think alot of the entry passes that Josh doesn't catch have more to do with him catching and always needing that dribble to get himself together allows the defense to rake him. On his last hoop last night I was so happy that he catches the entry high and never brought the ball down and went up right away fading away from the defense. This might be true, but some of the entry passes are downright awful, including several last night where Smith had to move significantly to catch it just to prevent a turnover. I realize Smith is often double teamed, so getting the pass in to him can be difficult, but I do think that our team's weakness in passing overall has contributed to Smith being ineffective at times. Copeland often throws pretty good entry passes, but almost everybody else is not great at doing so.
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NCHoya
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 4, 2015 14:15:43 GMT -5
Copeland has the benefit of height to be able to see over defenders and make an accurate pass. Smith's lack of mobility sometimes make these passes look worse than reality. How many times do we see big men have to go get a bad entry, pass back out and reset? This does not happen as much with Smith because he cannot go get a poorly thrown ball and it becomes simply a turnover.
That said, there were definitely a few passes last night, one exceptionally flat one from DSR, that need to get better for the big fella to have a chance.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 4, 2015 14:26:12 GMT -5
Totally agree with this one. Maybe we should try to place him on the list of "Best Guards of the JT3 era"? That would include (not ordered): Wallace Sapp Wright Freeman Starks Cook Clark Trawick Oh! I forgot Jeremiah I think the argument to place DSR number one on that list is eminently defensible. Personally, I don't think there's an argument for anybody besides DSR. Wallace would be the only person I'd consider in the same ballpark, only because of his role on the most successful JT3 teams. I agree with boya. It'll be a pleasure to watch senior DSR.
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 4, 2015 14:42:43 GMT -5
Personally, I don't think there's an argument for anybody besides DSR. Wallace would be the only person I'd consider in the same ballpark, only because of his role on the most successful JT3 teams. I agree with boya. It'll be a pleasure to watch senior DSR. Agreed. The only thing missing from his resume is post season success--hopefully he can cement his legacy as the best guard to play for JT3 with some NCAA and BET wins this year and next.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 4, 2015 14:52:15 GMT -5
And for most of late last night, the Gtown game was the top story on the right hand column of the NCAAB page (Kentucky over GA of course was the middle story with picture). I am sure there is some truth to the concerns over ESPN's coverage / treatment of the BE, but I suspect it is a bit overblown/exaggerated. No, even their app website omitted the Hoyas-Butler game from the default scoreboard even though they usually list top 25 scores. "No" what? My first sentence was a statement of fact. Are you disputing it?
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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 4, 2015 15:05:32 GMT -5
Personally, I don't think there's an argument for anybody besides DSR. Wallace would be the only person I'd consider in the same ballpark, only because of his role on the most successful JT3 teams. I agree with boya. It'll be a pleasure to watch senior DSR. I am excited abour Sr DSR as well, especially next to Soph Tre C
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 4, 2015 15:53:54 GMT -5
Love DSR.....love all those other guards too.
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drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Mar 4, 2015 16:05:12 GMT -5
Again, let me ask the question regarding the use of Hinkle Field House. Wasn't it understood that BE teams would not play in on campus arenas but use nearby major arenas? Despite last night's win, we are really at a disadvantage when we go on the road if teams can choose to play us at a 8,900 seat on campus field house rather than at an18,000 seat nearby arena. Who decides where these games are played? If you would like to build (with your own money) a new 9000 seat on campus arena with accompanying parking structure and metro access I'm sure Georgetown would be most welcoming of it. Thanks for the serious replies to my question. I was pretty sure that once upon a time BE teams were supposed to play at nearby arenas. As for giving GU money to build an on campus arena, I would but I've decided to spend my last $50 million buying politicians. They're so cute, especially when I make them dance.
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njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 4, 2015 16:26:34 GMT -5
You can buy a lot of New Jersey politicians for $50 million.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 4, 2015 16:39:21 GMT -5
Was at game in 2nd row. What an atmosphere! I think it was me and Roy and about ten other Hoya fans. If we could crank up Verizon like that it would be amazing. We need a curtain for the four hundreds. Hated our rebounding but loved our d and we really gave them problems. I think butler has the support to be a long term success story in the league and for those who haven't attemded hinkle, it is a must.
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drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Mar 4, 2015 17:03:53 GMT -5
Hey, watch that curtain for the 400's. That's where I sit!
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 4, 2015 17:49:21 GMT -5
Hey, watch that curtain for the 400's. That's where I sit! Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
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Hoyaholic
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Post by Hoyaholic on Mar 5, 2015 1:00:53 GMT -5
The Butler Way.
In fairness, there were some atrocious calls on the Butler defensive end as all, not the least of which was the call that put JS on the line with 10s left. But this and the uncalled travel on Dunham spotted them 4pts. I'd call it a draw. [/quote]No offense holic - but Spaz raked both hands down across Josh's arms. His whiny incredulous reaction was ridiculous.[/quote]
No offense taken. We'll just have to disagree I watched it several times last night and again just now when I got home from work. On the initial replay angle, I still see Chrabiscz cleanly poke the ball away from Josh with two hands. Whatever contact occured was after the ball was loose.
I am pretty sure Hoyatalk would agree if the jerseys were reversed.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 5, 2015 1:21:25 GMT -5
The Butler Way. In fairness, there were some atrocious calls on the Butler defensive end as all, not the least of which was the call that put JS on the line with 10s left. But this and the uncalled travel on Dunham spotted them 4pts. I'd call it a draw. No offense holic - but Spaz raked both hands down across Josh's arms. His whiny incredulous reaction was ridiculous.[/quote] No offense taken. We'll just have to disagree I watched it several times last night and again just now when I got home from work. On the initial replay angle, I still see Chrabiscz cleanly poke the ball away from Josh with two hands. Whatever contact occured was after the ball was loose. I am pretty sure Hoyatalk would agree if the jerseys were reversed. [/quote] Contact even after the ball comes loose is still a foul. Seemed pretty obvious to me.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 5, 2015 10:56:39 GMT -5
Yes I believe that if you whack a shooter's arm after he releases the ball, or knock a guy down going for a loose ball, it is still a foul. And "whatever contact" is severly undercharacterizing Spaz raking both of Josh's arms, even if it was milliseconds after the ball came loose.
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njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 5, 2015 11:13:06 GMT -5
The problem is that Josh gets raked across the arms numerous times during the course of a game, and fouls never get called. It is like driving over the speed limit on the Garden State Parkway while keeping up with the other traffic; if you get pulled over for speeding by a State Trooper, you ask "why me" instead of everyone else.
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Post by sleepy on Mar 5, 2015 11:39:32 GMT -5
The Butler Way. In fairness, there were some atrocious calls on the Butler defensive end as all, not the least of which was the call that put JS on the line with 10s left. But this and the uncalled travel on Dunham spotted them 4pts. I'd call it a draw. No offense holic - but Spaz raked both hands down across Josh's arms. His whiny incredulous reaction was ridiculous.[/quote] No offense taken. We'll just have to disagree I watched it several times last night and again just now when I got home from work. On the initial replay angle, I still see Chrabiscz cleanly poke the ball away from Josh with two hands. Whatever contact occured was after the ball was loose. I am pretty sure Hoyatalk would agree if the jerseys were reversed. [/quote] When you rack someone across the arms when the ball is loose you prevent them from getting said loose ball, hence the foul.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 5, 2015 11:47:08 GMT -5
The Butler Way. In fairness, there were some atrocious calls on the Butler defensive end as all, not the least of which was the call that put JS on the line with 10s left. But this and the uncalled travel on Dunham spotted them 4pts. I'd call it a draw. No offense holic - but Spaz raked both hands down across Josh's arms. His whiny incredulous reaction was ridiculous. No offense taken. We'll just have to disagree I watched it several times last night and again just now when I got home from work. On the initial replay angle, I still see Chrabiscz cleanly poke the ball away from Josh with two hands. Whatever contact occured was after the ball was loose. I am pretty sure Hoyatalk would agree if the jerseys were reversed. [/quote] When you rack someone across the arms when the ball is loose you prevent them from getting said loose ball, hence the foul. [/quote] That's the only reason (in my view) it was called. All the contact that Josh takes constantly isn't called because the officials don't view it as affecting play. Here, there was a possibility that Josh wouldn't have recovered the ball, thereby affecting the outcome of the game directly.
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