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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 4, 2015 7:08:07 GMT -5
Handful of thoughts:
(1) Josh: Even when he's not scoring, he showed how he opens up the offense. We got two looks at threes in the first few possessions of the game (one made; one DSR fumble) because of the doubles. I get that he "closes" up the offense, too, with his presence in the lane, but it's absolutely, positively worth it given what he otherwise brings on that end. The announcer mentioned something and I agree completely: I really like the look where he is at the high post with the ball and then cuts hard to establish post position. If it's timed right, he gets the ball before the double comes. Overall, our entries are terrible. But one "type" stands out: He's simply not mobile enough to continually try to force him that over-the-top pass when he seals his man. Give it when he's wide open. But if it takes you a second to think about whether you should throw it, you shouldn't throw it. (In this week's edition of the fantom foul watch: two of the four were downright horrific calls, and then you add in the one "Josh why did you so obviously push someone in the back" call, and you get our traditional helping of foul frustration.)
(2) Out of TOs: We went to the 3/4 trap (for a turnover) out of one. We went zone press up four with a few seconds left when they had to bring the ball full court out of another TO (granted, we almost surely have won the game anyway, but it was an outstanding call out of the TO there). And, last but not least, we had that terrific DSR post play out of one. (Before you're all over me, no, I have no idea what the call was supposed to be when Aaron (of all people!) ended up isolated 25 feet from the basket with three on the shot clock. We had spread the court and DSR came off a pick but was well defended, but I don't know what the plan was there.)
(3) Speaking of DSR in the post, it's my single biggest complaint with this offense that we don't do that more. I've never, ever understood why we don't make use of a guy with crafty footwork and a great shot (DSR) or a guy who typically has a size advantage and is great finishing around the tin (Jabril) in that role a couple times a game each -- particularly when Mikael is in the game and can pull his big defender away. Not much to add to what already was said about DSR: he was all that tonight.
(4) I thought we played good D on Jones overall and, frankly, good D on everyone overall. We forced him left a lot (a couple times he went right anyway)! And you know what, it turns out he's pretty darned good going to his left too!
(5) Lots of DSR playing off the ball tonight, even in situations where Tre wasn't in the game. I noticed a couple times on inbounds he got the ball, there was no pressure, and he flipped it to LJ to bring up (I don't think he did it with Jabril). Interesting. I assume it was a "let's give him a bit of a break" type move.
(6) My big picture game point: This was the sort of game where our depth wins us the game. DSR was terrific, and that will continue to be a necessity (unless someone else like Ike puts together a huge game). And then we just got a lot of "pieces" from other players that added up to a win. Ike didn't score the ball, but he gave us some rim-protecting presence (and the one three he hit was a big one). Mikael made all his FGs (including one nice post move) and protected the rim. Josh, as noted, was a load when he got the ball tonight. Tre hit some big threes and had no TOs. Jabril jumped us out to the lead. Aaron played good individual D. So, you know, we beat a very good team on the road on senior night with virtually everyone (excepting LJ and Paul) contributing something meaningful. But no one except DSR really played fully up to their capabilities.
It's a game like this that early in the year had us saying "this team will be really good once one or two of those guys is more consistent." Well, it just doesn't look like that's going to happen! But we can beat a good team even like this. And, you never know, maybe it comes together at the right time....
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 4, 2015 7:57:49 GMT -5
In my best Groucho Marx imitation: "Chrabascz wanted to play this game in the worst way. . .and he certainly did." This morning I became patently aware of my confirmation bias regarding certain aspects of Georgetown basketball. I always think along the lines of: "Of course Chrabascz comes back in time to play Georgetown. It's just our luck. He's going to make the difference." During the game, he hit two very timely threes and it reinforced my initial opinion. Then I looked over the box score and see he was certainly was 2-3 from three, but also 1-7 from 2 and 0-6 from the line. Watching the game, somehow I saw none of that. On his last 3 the announcer criticized Josh for leaving him open - I remember thinking that as poorly as Spazbascz was shooting, JTIII should have benched Josh if he followed him out that far.
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Post by SaxaCD on Mar 4, 2015 7:59:04 GMT -5
Paul White was hammered several times with no foul. Refs were bad, AGAIN, but at least got a few calls right at the end. I thought he may have gotten hit once or twice, but the moves were so soft to the basket, really hard to draw a call that way.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 4, 2015 8:00:01 GMT -5
SFHoya - ATT spared you watching this: https://vine.co/v/O0XVg1TOxttI wonder if Big East Supervisor of Officials - Mens Basketball, John Cahill, will be reviewing that. Unfortunately, the amazing Italian soccer player flop isn't well captured in the video. The officiating in this league this year has been beyond atrocious (although it seems to be that way virtually every game so I guess there's that). The Butler Way. In fairness, there were some atrocious calls on the Butler defensive end as all, not the least of which was the call that put JS on the line with 10s left. But this and the uncalled travel on Dunham spotted them 4pts. I'd call it a draw. No offense holic - but Spaz raked both hands down across Josh's arms. His whiny incredulous reaction was ridiculous.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 4, 2015 8:27:00 GMT -5
Paul White was hammered several times with no foul. Refs were bad, AGAIN, but at least got a few calls right at the end. I thought he may have gotten hit once or twice, but the moves were so soft to the basket, really hard to draw a call that way.Exactly right CD85.. I'm as big of a Paul supporter as there is but he has to start making shots and being stronger with the ball when driving.. Hopefully there's 4 more BE games left for him to get it going because when the NCAA games start, I'm good with only playing solid contributors..
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 4, 2015 8:31:52 GMT -5
I agree that White has to be stronger on those moves, but at least twice he was clobbered. Obvious fouls.
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Post by guru on Mar 4, 2015 9:01:28 GMT -5
There are stil scenarios where we could be the 4, or even the 5. Seton Hall is a mess. Don't see any real chance of a loss. Um, have you followed the Hoyas at all over the last 10 years? They win when you least expect it, and vice versa.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 4, 2015 9:35:41 GMT -5
Seton Hall is a mess. Don't see any real chance of a loss. Um, have you followed the Hoyas at all over the last 10 years? They win when you least expect it, and vice versa. We have handled the bottom portion of the conference. Just not worried about this one.
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Post by guru on Mar 4, 2015 9:45:47 GMT -5
Um, have you followed the Hoyas at all over the last 10 years? They win when you least expect it, and vice versa. We have handled the bottom portion of the conference. Just not worried about this one. Seton Hall does look like a steaming mess, but I can't remember the last time I wasn't worried about a Hoya game!
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Post by mfk24 on Mar 4, 2015 9:45:51 GMT -5
Um, have you followed the Hoyas at all over the last 10 years? They win when you least expect it, and vice versa. We have handled the bottom portion of the conference. Just not worried about this one. This. I don't think it'll be a blowout, it might be a lot like the DePaul game, a lot closer than we want but never really in doubt.
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Post by capcenterhoya on Mar 4, 2015 9:47:54 GMT -5
ESPN never even put together a highlight clip of this game to show on any of its networks
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 4, 2015 9:55:26 GMT -5
Let's see how SHU plays tonight vs PC before we predict a walkover win. They get Gibbs back, and they are coming off a win (against Creighton), but still a win. They have enough talent to cause trouble, but who knows what their motivation will be.
However, right now, I expect a resounding win on Senior Day.
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Post by guru on Mar 4, 2015 9:58:46 GMT -5
ESPN never even put together a highlight clip of this game to show on any of its networks Really? I thought DSR's ankle breaker made the top 10?
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Post by beenaround on Mar 4, 2015 10:04:05 GMT -5
Handful of thoughts: (1) Josh: Even when he's not scoring, he showed how he opens up the offense. We got two looks at threes in the first few possessions of the game (one made; one DSR fumble) because of the doubles. I get that he "closes" up the offense, too, with his presence in the lane, but it's absolutely, positively worth it given what he otherwise brings on that end. The announcer mentioned something and I agree completely: I really like the look where he is at the high post with the ball and then cuts hard to establish post position. If it's timed right, he gets the ball before the double comes. Overall, our entries are terrible. But one "type" stands out: He's simply not mobile enough to continually try to force him that over-the-top pass when he seals his man. Give it when he's wide open. But if it takes you a second to think about whether you should throw it, you shouldn't throw it. (In this week's edition of the fantom foul watch: two of the four were downright horrific calls, and then you add in the one "Josh why did you so obviously push someone in the back" call, and you get our traditional helping of foul frustration.) (2) Out of TOs: We went to the 3/4 trap (for a turnover) out of one. We went zone press up four with a few seconds left when they had to bring the ball full court out of another TO (granted, we almost surely have won the game anyway, but it was an outstanding call out of the TO there). And, last but not least, we had that terrific DSR post play out of one. (Before you're all over me, no, I have no idea what the call was supposed to be when Aaron (of all people!) ended up isolated 25 feet from the basket with three on the shot clock. We had spread the court and DSR came off a pick but was well defended, but I don't know what the plan was there.) (3) Speaking of DSR in the post, it's my single biggest complaint with this offense that we don't do that more. I've never, ever understood why we don't make use of a guy with crafty footwork and a great shot (DSR) or a guy who typically has a size advantage and is great finishing around the tin (Jabril) in that role a couple times a game each -- particularly when Mikael is in the game and can pull his big defender away. Not much to add to what already was said about DSR: he was all that tonight. (4) I thought we played good D on Jones overall and, frankly, good D on everyone overall. We forced him left a lot (a couple times he went right anyway)! And you know what, it turns out he's pretty darned good going to his left too! (5) Lots of DSR playing off the ball tonight, even in situations where Tre wasn't in the game. I noticed a couple times on inbounds he got the ball, there was no pressure, and he flipped it to LJ to bring up (I don't think he did it with Jabril). Interesting. I assume it was a "let's give him a bit of a break" type move. (6) My big picture game point: This was the sort of game where our depth wins us the game. DSR was terrific, and that will continue to be a necessity (unless someone else like Ike puts together a huge game). And then we just got a lot of "pieces" from other players that added up to a win. Ike didn't score the ball, but he gave us some rim-protecting presence (and the one three he hit was a big one). Mikael made all his FGs (including one nice post move) and protected the rim. Josh, as noted, was a load when he got the ball tonight. Tre hit some big threes and had no TOs. Jabril jumped us out to the lead. Aaron played good individual D. So, you know, we beat a very good team on the road on senior night with virtually everyone (excepting LJ and Paul) contributing something meaningful. But no one except DSR really played fully up to their capabilities. It's a game like this that early in the year had us saying "this team will be really good once one or two of those guys is more consistent." Well, it just doesn't look like that's going to happen! But we can beat a good team even like this. And, you never know, maybe it comes together at the right time.... You wrote six paragraphs...somehow I agree with every word you wrote!!
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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 4, 2015 10:04:06 GMT -5
ESPN never even put together a highlight clip of this game to show on any of its networks Really? I thought DSR's ankle breaker made the top 10? And for most of late last night, the Gtown game was the top story on the right hand column of the NCAAB page (Kentucky over GA of course was the middle story with picture). I am sure there is some truth to the concerns over ESPN's coverage / treatment of the BE, but I suspect it is a bit overblown/exaggerated.
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Post by Filo on Mar 4, 2015 10:16:48 GMT -5
SFHoya99 asked about the O rebounding disparity. Butler is good on the boards, and we had an awful game in that regard. Seemed mostly like a boxing out failure, but we really allowed Woods to eat us up.
As for the foul on Josh as the end, I don't know how anyone could question that. Josh got hammered. The refereeing was horrible, as usual, but the got that one right.
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Post by drquigley on Mar 4, 2015 10:20:43 GMT -5
Let's all take credit for the blocks. A lot of them were on Jones going to the hoop. Our guys were obviously aware of his desire to go right and when he did either Hop or Traws or Ike would be ready to block his layup attempts. What a difference from last game.
Again, let me ask the question regarding the use of Hinkle Field House. Wasn't it understood that BE teams would not play in on campus arenas but use nearby major arenas? Despite last night's win, we are really at a disadvantage when we go on the road if teams can choose to play us at a 8,900 seat on campus field house rather than at an18,000 seat nearby arena. Who decides where these games are played?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 10:42:30 GMT -5
Again, let me ask the question regarding the use of Hinkle Field House. Wasn't it understood that BE teams would not play in on campus arenas but use nearby major arenas? Despite last night's win, we are really at a disadvantage when we go on the road if teams can choose to play us at a 8,900 seat on campus field house rather than at an18,000 seat nearby arena. Who decides where these games are played? Playing in major arenas was a general principle of the original Big East, but the home team gets to decide where they play. So, if you have an on-campus arena, you use it - even if you also use a big off-campus site. St. John's played SHU at Carnesseca, Nova uses the Pavilion a few times a year. In fact, they use it heavily in years when the Wells Fargo Center is hosting NCAA games, so they can get sent there for the tourney. I'd much rather we play Butler in Hinkle than in the Pacers building. Good for them that they have that available to them.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 4, 2015 10:44:45 GMT -5
Again, let me ask the question regarding the use of Hinkle Field House. Wasn't it understood that BE teams would not play in on campus arenas but use nearby major arenas? Despite last night's win, we are really at a disadvantage when we go on the road if teams can choose to play us at a 8,900 seat on campus field house rather than at an18,000 seat nearby arena. Who decides where these games are played? Originally, yes, there was a rule requiring a certain capacity, but it hasn't been enforced for some time (mid 90s?). Nova plays a lot (most?) of its BE home games at the Pavillion (which is smaller than Hinkle) and St. John's plays a handful of BE home games at their on-campus facility (which is smaller too). You just don't notice because both teams games against us are almost always at their big building.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 4, 2015 10:55:39 GMT -5
Again, let me ask the question regarding the use of Hinkle Field House. Wasn't it understood that BE teams would not play in on campus arenas but use nearby major arenas? Despite last night's win, we are really at a disadvantage when we go on the road if teams can choose to play us at a 8,900 seat on campus field house rather than at an18,000 seat nearby arena. Who decides where these games are played? Originally, yes, there was a rule requiring a certain capacity, but it hasn't been enforced for some time (mid 90s?). Nova plays a lot (most?) of its BE home games at the Pavillion (which is smaller than Hinkle) and St. John's plays a handful of BE home games at their on-campus facility (which is smaller too). You just don't notice because both teams games against us are almost always at their big building. I think there's a rule that the arena has to be a certain size to be used for Big East games. I thought the rule was 6,500 seats, but Carnesecca isn't that big (it seats 5,600), so maybe it's 5000. Hinkle clearly meets the size requirements (it seats 9,100). It's bigger than Conte Forum (capacity 8,600), where BC played all its Big East games.
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