This Just In
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Post by This Just In on Mar 1, 2015 21:57:18 GMT -5
The team went 3-3 for the month of February....not good. It is now March, the Butler game will tell us a lot about the mind set the team has going into March Madness. So before the season started, you looked at the February schedule and thought we'd do better than 3-3? Our February schedule was: vs. Providence at Nova at SHU vs. St. Johns vs. Depaul at St. Johns Now we definitely could have gone 4-2, maybe 5-1 if we were on a tear, but looking at that schedule, I'd have said we beat SHU and Depaul, split w/ St. Johns and maybe take either one of the Providence or Nova games. We gave the Providence game away otherwise it would've been exactly what I'd guessed. Expectations going into the month of Feb. were that the Freshmen were jellying and that the Hoyas were on the verge of being a Top 25 team. The month of Feb. ended up being the 1st month of the season in which Georgetown did not play above .500 basketball despite a change in the starting lineup. And if you go back to the last week of January, the Hoyas are playing .500 basketball at 4-4. You can have the last word and I will ask you this: Is the team meeting your preseason expectations or has it been lowered as the season has progressed?
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bmartin
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Post by bmartin on Mar 1, 2015 22:20:24 GMT -5
In the past 12 games in which Copeland has played 19 to 31 minutes in each game:
8 wins - Copeland's Offensive Rating 144, 104, 117, 123, 123, 145, 139, 116 (103 points; 12.875 ppg)
4 losses - Copeland's OR 73, 73, 81, 51 (23 points; 5.75 ppg)
So whenever Copeland has had a good offensive game we have won and when he has not he have lost. This should not be only on Copeland. You can't expect him to be on every game, but when he is not scoring, then Peak, White, and/or Bowen need to be more productive.
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mfk24
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Post by mfk24 on Mar 1, 2015 22:41:51 GMT -5
So before the season started, you looked at the February schedule and thought we'd do better than 3-3? Our February schedule was: vs. Providence at Nova at SHU vs. St. Johns vs. Depaul at St. Johns Now we definitely could have gone 4-2, maybe 5-1 if we were on a tear, but looking at that schedule, I'd have said we beat SHU and Depaul, split w/ St. Johns and maybe take either one of the Providence or Nova games. We gave the Providence game away otherwise it would've been exactly what I'd guessed. Expectations going into the month of Feb. were that the Freshmen were jellying and that the Hoyas were on the verge of being a Top 25 team. The month of Feb. ended up being the 1st month of the season in which Georgetown did not play above .500 basketball despite a change in the starting lineup. And if you go back to the last week of January, the Hoyas are playing .500 basketball at 4-4. You can have the last word and I will ask you this: Is the team meeting your preseason expectations or has it been lowered as the season has progressed? The last week of January is just an arbitrary point in time to pick. Why not the middle of January or January and February? We're 10-8 since the New Year. More importantly, I've always had realistic expectations for this team. I don't tend to make week to week predictions and I don't use any one game to project how the entire season will play out. We are not and never were going to be a truly elite team this year. We all had high expectations based on potential, but when you risk playing freshman for significant minutes for an extended period of time, we are not going to play with the type of consistency it takes to get to the elite level. You can look back through my posts if you're so inclined but I've been saying the same thing all year. A couple of weeks ago you were among a group predicting 9-9. We've won 10 games now with a real shot to win at least 11, if not 12. Which is honestly, about right. I made my predictions at the end of the preseason and I don't tend to hang my hat on game to game play. I watch enough basketball at literally every level, middle school aged AAU through NBA, to know that the difference between your average to good teams and your elite teams, of which we are not, (and no one should've ever thought we were) is consistency. Losing at St. John's doesn't change a single thing in my mind. We're still right where we were before that. A fringe Top 25 team. We played poorly yesterday. We might play a phenomenal game at Butler and get one on the road, we might not. But if we lose, do I think the season as a whole is lost? Not really, move on to the next game and try to get that one. I'm not saying I don't look at the schedule and see games we can/should win and I certainly get upset when we don't get a W.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Mar 2, 2015 0:36:54 GMT -5
Expectations were difficult to justify prior to the season starting because there were so many wild cards considering the number of freshmen coming in and Joshua having sat for nearly a year. A better term for me is probably hope for the team this season. Expectations as the season has gone along have also been difficult to quantify as this squad has been really inconsistent. That said, my hope is still there as many guys have stepped up from time to time. We have many more ways to win than last year because there are more options. We're not in the situation where if one guy doesn't light it up, we're toast. Having said that, we need more than one guy carrying the load regardless of who it is on any given day. Copeland has been that guy of late but we need more from the other freshmen. Considering the small lineups that the Johnnies run, I would have liked to have seen more Tre Campbell for the sole purpose of hounding Greene. He's our quickest guard and, with Harrison on the bench in the first, they have no choice but to have Greene jack threes or to have Jordan or Pointer drive/create. They're not a good shooting team so zone should have been drilled all week.
Anyway, I got away from the original question. I expect it to be a bumpy road and have all along. But no one likes the bumps. The good news is that this team can, when playing well, beat most teams in the country. And that's not hyperbole. Maybe they figure it out and find a level of consistency. I don't think anyone here expects that at this point but it could happen. One big game for Tre or Paul and this team could start rolling. The more likely scenario is that we're rolling the dice at every tip. One thing this team has done is that it's gotten better in close games. They look less tentative than they did early on and that's a good thing. Here's to hoping that the younger guys hit their stride and start to demand the ball. It's that time of year. The future is bright but why wait until next year? There's a month left. Empty the tank and get after it on both ends in every game. There's no jogging back on defense in March. There's no lazy free throws in March (Joshua. Stop letting your shooting hand drift to the right.) There's no "we'll get them next time" in March. And, please, please, please, Paul White..... get your stones back. We need you, kid. Stop leaning back on your jumper. Lean into it. If he starts getting it going, this team looks a heckuva lot better.
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Filo
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Post by Filo on Mar 2, 2015 11:40:14 GMT -5
In the past 12 games in which Copeland has played 19 to 31 minutes in each game: 8 wins - Copeland's Offensive Rating 144, 104, 117, 123, 123, 145, 139, 116 (103 points; 12.875 ppg) 4 losses - Copeland's OR 73, 73, 81, 51 (23 points; 5.75 ppg) So whenever Copeland has had a good offensive game we have won and when he has not he have lost. This should not be only on Copeland. You can't expect him to be on every game, but when he is not scoring, then Peak, White, and/or Bowen need to be more productive. Just chalking it up to a pretty bad game all-around for Ike. His D was worse than his O. It happens. Just need him to bounce back. For some reason, and I don't have anything to point to since the numbers sure won't back me up (1-9 vs. SJU), bt I feel like Peak is ready to turn the corner a bit. I think we are going to see some better play out of him.
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Big Dog
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 2, 2015 12:44:23 GMT -5
So before the season started, you looked at the February schedule and thought we'd do better than 3-3? Our February schedule was: vs. Providence at Nova at SHU vs. St. Johns vs. Depaul at St. Johns Now we definitely could have gone 4-2, maybe 5-1 if we were on a tear, but looking at that schedule, I'd have said we beat SHU and Depaul, split w/ St. Johns and maybe take either one of the Providence or Nova games. We gave the Providence game away otherwise it would've been exactly what I'd guessed. Expectations going into the month of Feb. were that the Freshmen were jellying and that the Hoyas were on the verge of being a Top 25 team. The month of Feb. ended up being the 1st month of the season in which Georgetown did not play above .500 basketball despite a change in the starting lineup. And if you go back to the last week of January, the Hoyas are playing .500 basketball at 4-4. You can have the last word and I will ask you this: Is the team meeting your preseason expectations or has it been lowered as the season has progressed? I think the team is absolutely meeting my preseason expectations (I thought it was insane that DSR was preseason POY, and hoped, but certanly did not expect, that we would finish 2nd in the league). I think the team is maybe underperforming my expectations as they were during and immediately after the Wisconsin game, which warped everything. I would say the team is exceeding my expectations based on where they were at about the 10 minute mark of the Butler game at Verizon.
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OldHoyafan
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Post by OldHoyafan on Mar 2, 2015 13:47:35 GMT -5
Someone opined that the issues with this team was that it's senior starters and senior bench players had limited skill sets and that the Hoya success or failure was dependent on whether those limited skill sets were exposed by the opposing team. Heretofore, I had been of the opinion that the Achilles Hill of the HOYAS was facing a team which had length up front to match the HOYAS length, mainly because a lot of the length of the HOYAS was in the freshmen class of Copeland, White and Peak, who did not have the experience or bulk to match the opposing team. I had hoped that as the season progressed that the Freshmen could mature enough to hold their own against a larger opposing front line, but that has not happened in the case of White and Peak, so when an opposing team is playing well regardless of size, the HOYAS are dependent on that senior leadership that have limited skill sets and therefor you have the results of the second Villinova game, the second St John's game and the sweeps of Xavier and Providence. When you add the lack of a true PG to the mix you get the inconsistent play of this team. I think my expectations that the team as presently constituted, could make a deep run in the tournament was over optimistic. This year is the first step in getting this team back to the 2007 level of NCAA competence. A good showing in the BE tournament and one or two wins in the NCAA's will now be considered by me a successful year. Next year is step two and the third and final step will be the addition of a true PG in Bracey, the following year, that will make anything other than a true run at the Final Four a failure.
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 2, 2015 14:16:39 GMT -5
Yeah, I really dont see how you could expect better than 12-6 from this team. For one, I think that unless you are team like Nova that has a lot of experience and is a legit FF contender, no team is going to win more than 12-13 games in my opinion. The BE is too balanced. 11-7 will be a bit disappointing, but I also think we have as good a chance as anyone to play on Saturday night in the BET. So, long story short, I think we are close to expectations. 12-6 would still be 2nd place in the BE. We would/could lose the 2 seed in the tourney, but it doesnt mean we wouldnt be 2nd place.
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