hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 1, 2015 13:32:14 GMT -5
Can't help but think all of those missed bunnies changed the entire complexion of the game. Not saying the Hoyas would have won, but if they hit some of the easy shots, they keep it closer while withstanding SJU's blistering start. Missed bunnies has been a frustration all year. Rich Chvotkin: "Missed the layup."
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Post by prhoya on Mar 1, 2015 13:40:40 GMT -5
I haven't read through the game thread to see if the following was pointed out, but in our two games vs SJU:
Harrison played 49 minutes, had 0 FGs in 13 FGAs, and 6 pts. He averages 18 ppg.
6'2" Greene IV played 71 minutes and went 4 of 8 and 6 of 7 from 3s for 67% and 44 pts. To put this in perspective, he has gone 28%, 22%, 40 and 40% in his four years and averages 13 ppg. He must love playing GU's perimeter defense.
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Post by bmartin on Mar 1, 2015 13:40:54 GMT -5
St Johns is generally the kind of team that either has runs or gives up runs. When they are getting stops they get out in transition and get good shots. But when the opponent is scoring and getting back on defense St Johns is a poor half court offensive team.
We were not able to get enough consecutive stops for the run we needed because we played most of the second half with our speed-up-the-game lineup that is not a disciplined defensive unit. If they don't get turnovers they give up open shots.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 1, 2015 13:41:53 GMT -5
Can't help but think all of those missed bunnies changed the entire complexion of the game. Not saying the Hoyas would have won, but if they hit some of the easy shots, they keep it closer while withstanding SJU's blistering start. Missed bunnies has been a frustration all year. Rich Chvotkin: "Missed the layup." And then he goes with a "wow!"
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Post by richfame on Mar 1, 2015 15:20:23 GMT -5
I was very excited to see the hoyas live for the first time this year. I know going into this game it would be a few tough one to win, first because we were away and second because we destroyed them last time and they really needed one more key win and theyd be a lock for the tournament so a lot at stake here for the SJU. I also figured JT3 would not have his team ready to meet the SJ intensity.
I was fortunate to have great seats like 15 rows behind the hoyas bench. My two cents:
1. We didnt have great ball movement, our offense seemed stagnant. Theres a growing problem that this team cannot shoot. If DSR is not shooting the ball who is going to knock down the outside shot and extend the defense? Clearly Smith, or hopper cannot but Trawick and Peak are not dead eye shooters either.. Although Jabril really has improved this year I dont consider him a shot first guard rather a drive first guard. Also Peak really is still a slasher and that is killing us! That leaves IC or DSR and thats not good enough. Also knowone on the bench can drain it either- Bowen is drive first..
2. Our center position was awful yet again. Smith was a totaly Minus yesterday. Its really 50- 50, do we get the stupid Smith that commits awful fouls and is a 0 or the dominant smith that is a matchup nightmare for the competition.. Im so sick of this guy. Not because hes a bad guy but theres so much potential there. When we get him the ball on the blocks he has some great moves and is imposing. How he still reach's in, or commits an awful push is beyond me. Hes is own worst enemy and I blame coaching here too. Hopper was an equal 0 yesterday. I hate to say it but I was a huge supporter and hes just not becoming a consistent threat that I wanted him to become. Its sad he has a great Basketball body, and some really nice moves and I think he has the makings of a good player but just cant put it together.
3. We were so fortunate that Harrison was in foul trouble the whole first half and we still got throttled, this does not bode well for us. We like were comfy to be 12-16 points down the whole game and that was frustrating. Most hoya fans in attendance were expecting that run that would get us to within 4-6 and it really never came. I was able to watch the bench and there was not much fire there.. Pretty sad
4. Jabril- Hot head Trawick again today. Is this guys answer to everything TF'S?? Does he always want to fight? He should have played in the Mourning days they would have made a good duo.
5. PEAK- Is the biggest disappointment this season. After his monster first game I was expecting consistent greatness or at least a go to scorer and ive got neither. I was hoping we stole a kentucky style guard that just clicked right away and would be an assassin with DSR. He has not been able to show off or develop his mid range shooting... We needed that if we were going to go deep in the tournament. I will lump PW into this category. PW has also tailed off in minutes and production...
I think if we look at it objectively this may indeed be a one and done NCAA year again. If JS can be smarter and be a force, if LJP can show a solid midrange game, and if PW can regain his swagger we'd be fine, the problem now this a lot of IF'S..
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Post by FLHoya on Mar 1, 2015 16:50:46 GMT -5
Hopper was an equal 0 yesterday. I hate to say it but I was a huge supporter and hes just not becoming a consistent threat that I wanted him to become. Its sad he has a great Basketball body, and some really nice moves and I think he has the makings of a good player but just cant put it together. That's a pretty tough grading curve to give the "equal 0" title to the dude who had a double-double yesterday. After all the crap he's gotten from the Interwebz over his career, I'm cool letting Mikael have this one. Maybe I'm getting soft. Or I drank too much bleach during the second half.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 1, 2015 18:17:53 GMT -5
Hopper was an equal 0 yesterday. I hate to say it but I was a huge supporter and hes just not becoming a consistent threat that I wanted him to become. Its sad he has a great Basketball body, and some really nice moves and I think he has the makings of a good player but just cant put it together. That's a pretty tough grading curve to give the "equal 0" title to the dude who had a double-double yesterday. After all the crap he's gotten from the Interwebz over his career, I'm cool letting Mikael have this one. Maybe I'm getting soft. Or I drank too much bleach during the second half. 10 points and 14 rebounds (12 offensive) is a 0? SMH ... Pass the bleach.
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Post by richfame on Mar 1, 2015 18:28:16 GMT -5
Extremely soft double double. I didn't see anything out of him to jump out of my seat and cheer. I saw a few turnovers and some missed opportunites.
Like I saw huge hopper supporter. I guess it was an awful game to be live at and this team is in HUGE trouble. Outside of DSR we can't consistenly shoot and our bigs can't stay on the court and produce. Not good
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Post by richfame on Mar 1, 2015 18:29:34 GMT -5
That's a pretty tough grading curve to give the "equal 0" title to the dude who had a double-double yesterday. After all the crap he's gotten from the Interwebz over his career, I'm cool letting Mikael have this one. Maybe I'm getting soft. Or I drank too much bleach during the second half. 10 points and 14 rebounds (12 offensive) is a 0? SMH ... Pass the bleach. Easier to get those O boards when we're missing so many shots. Not impressed.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 1, 2015 18:36:54 GMT -5
again, SMH. But then you listen to Francesa all day so you probably believe ARod is the subject of a baseless witch hunt too. ;P
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 1, 2015 18:48:29 GMT -5
Easier to get those O boards when we're missing so many shots. Not impressed. OK, Rich, but no, no it's not easier to get those boards when we are missing a lot. It's equally difficult whether we miss or make shots, since it's rate that counts. Of the 46 possible O rebound opportunities, he pulled down 12 by himself, a 26% rate, which is phenomenal. And though he played a lot, he wasn't on the court the entire game.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Mar 1, 2015 19:09:15 GMT -5
Boy, I certainly like how DSR played. We need him off the ball and putting up those threes.
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Post by richfame on Mar 1, 2015 19:37:19 GMT -5
again, SMH. But then you listen to Francesa all day so you probably believe ARod is the subject of a baseless witch hunt too. ;P AROD- probs used roids for most of his career, he is a cheat and a liar. There were and are so many players to use roids to gain an advantage or to level the playing field against pitchers or hitters. AROD was not only player to use roids, he served his time. Yanks are stuck with him so hopefully he performs. He honestly no different than big papi who gets a free pass and plays on. Back to my original post did u have any other issues with it or are we going to continue to debate hoppers performance??!!
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Post by richfame on Mar 1, 2015 19:42:05 GMT -5
Easier to get those O boards when we're missing so many shots. Not impressed. OK, Rich, but no, no it's not easier to get those boards when we are missing a lot. It's equally difficult whether we miss or make shots, since it's rate that counts. Of the 46 possible O rebound opportunities, he pulled down 12 by himself, a 26% rate, which is phenomenal. And though he played a lot, he wasn't on the court the entire game. Eh. Ok agree to disagree here. Ultimately hoppers performances won't be the key to us making a tourney run. Is dsr going to be hot? Is IC going to continue to step up and become an impact player? Who is going to make jumpers? Can JS get his chit together and be a force? Can we bring 40 minutes of hel defensively a la Arkansas of the MAYDAY era. That's what's important
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Post by hoyajinx on Mar 1, 2015 20:01:33 GMT -5
Easier to get those O boards when we're missing so many shots. Not impressed. OK, Rich, but no, no it's not easier to get those boards when we are missing a lot. It's equally difficult whether we miss or make shots, since it's rate that counts. Of the 46 possible O rebound opportunities, he pulled down 12 by himself, a 26% rate, which is phenomenal. And though he played a lot, he wasn't on the court the entire game. To be honest, I am one of those who is generally critical of Hopkins's performance. Yesterday, I had few gripes. He played with an intensity only matched by DSR. He fought for rebounds and helped shore up what was often terrible D. Making free throws was certainly a problem, but it wasn't close to being a difference in the game. There have been plenty of games this year to place a fair amount of blame on Hopkins. I don't believe this game was one of those.
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 1, 2015 20:06:05 GMT -5
I, too, have posted on Hopkins' issues. But yesterday Hopkins was not an issue, IMO. There were lots of issues, though...
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Post by This Just In on Mar 1, 2015 20:07:07 GMT -5
OK, Rich, but no, no it's not easier to get those boards when we are missing a lot. It's equally difficult whether we miss or make shots, since it's rate that counts. Of the 46 possible O rebound opportunities, he pulled down 12 by himself, a 26% rate, which is phenomenal. And though he played a lot, he wasn't on the court the entire game. Eh. Ok agree to disagree here. Ultimately hoppers performances won't be the key to us making a tourney run. Is dsr going to be hot? Is IC going to continue to step up and become an impact player? Who is going to make jumpers? Can JS get his chit together and be a force? Can we bring 40 minutes of hel defensively a la Arkansas of the MAYDAY era. That's what's important The team went 3-3 for the month of February....not good. It is now March, the Butler game will tell us a lot about the mind set the team has going into March Madness.
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Post by mfk24 on Mar 1, 2015 20:25:05 GMT -5
Eh. Ok agree to disagree here. Ultimately hoppers performances won't be the key to us making a tourney run. Is dsr going to be hot? Is IC going to continue to step up and become an impact player? Who is going to make jumpers? Can JS get his chit together and be a force? Can we bring 40 minutes of hel defensively a la Arkansas of the MAYDAY era. That's what's important The team went 3-3 for the month of February....not good. It is now March, the Butler game will tell us a lot about the mind set the team has going into March Madness. So before the season started, you looked at the February schedule and thought we'd do better than 3-3? Our February schedule was: vs. Providence at Nova at SHU vs. St. Johns vs. Depaul at St. Johns Now we definitely could have gone 4-2, maybe 5-1 if we were on a tear, but looking at that schedule, I'd have said we beat SHU and Depaul, split w/ St. Johns and maybe take either one of the Providence or Nova games. We gave the Providence game away otherwise it would've been exactly what I'd guessed.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 1, 2015 20:39:52 GMT -5
Rich: just pulling your leg about Francesa and ARod, but completely disagree about Hopkins' performance yesterday. He's never played to what we all think his physical skills should carry him to, but it's never for lack of trying and frankly 10 and 14 from him would be great every night. A zero is, frankly, unfair. But we can agree to disagree.
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Post by richfame on Mar 1, 2015 21:09:25 GMT -5
Rich: just pulling your leg about Francesa and ARod, but completely disagree about Hopkins' performance yesterday. He's never played to what we all think his physical skills should carry him to, but it's never for lack of trying and frankly 10 and 14 from him would be great every night. A zero is, frankly, unfair. But we can agree to disagree. Ok. 0 is too low. I will concede that assessment. I guess a few turnovers and missed FTS/opportunities Clouded his performance for me. Again I really like hopper nothing against him. Hope he goes on a tear.
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