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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 9, 2014 9:24:02 GMT -5
... On to Hinkle ...
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Post by drquigley on Jan 9, 2014 10:10:01 GMT -5
Before we get too in loved in the particulars of this game can anyone explain how we now have another player with "academic issues"? Wasn't Mary Fenlon responsible for making sure this didn't happen. I know she retired but didn't someone take her place? Shouldn't be hard for this advisor to talk to players, profs, family about student athlete's studies? Maybe this should be a new thread.
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 9, 2014 10:42:21 GMT -5
My prediction is that we will play well in this game, but lose because Butler is actually a decent team and very good home team. At which point, everyone, myself included, will say, "If we played like this at Providence, we would have won by 15."  |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 9, 2014 12:24:11 GMT -5
Before we get too in loved in the particulars of this game can anyone explain how we now have another player with "academic issues"? Wasn't Mary Fenlon responsible for making sure this didn't happen. I know she retired but didn't someone take her place? Shouldn't be hard for this advisor to talk to players, profs, family about student athlete's studies? Maybe this should be a new thread. Of course we do have an advisor, and I am confident that JTIII keeps on top of the academic side as closely, if not more so, than Pops did. Remember, there were numerous suggestions that the length of Greg's suspension last year was not entirely related to school ineligibility. You can ride a kid all you want, but you can't chain him up and drag him to class, nor can you force him to study, turn in assignments, etc. if he refuses to do the work. Now there may be a different issue as to whether we are failing to accurately assess the ability and motivation of our recruits to attend to their academic requirements, but that is not on the advisors. |
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Post by drquigley on Jan 9, 2014 12:46:33 GMT -5
You're right. I guess you really can't come down on a kid until you see his final grades. Even if he's doing poorly you can hope that he will rally and do well enough on finals to get a passing grade....Hmmm, sounds familiar.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 9, 2014 12:49:55 GMT -5
You're right. I guess you really can't come down on a kid until you see his final grades. Even if he's doing poorly you can hope that he will rally and do well enough on finals to get a passing grade....Hmmm, sounds familiar. How do you know they did not "come down on" Joshua every day? They may have been after him constantly for grades, assignments, attendance, tests - but at some point it is up to the kid. |
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Post by rockhoya on Jan 9, 2014 12:58:58 GMT -5
Last year Greg missed a final by accident, now that he's at Rutgers that's kosher to say right Dan? The substitute professor did not let him make it up.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 9, 2014 13:10:00 GMT -5
Last year Greg missed a final by accident, now that he's at Rutgers that's kosher to say right Dan? The substitute professor did not let him make it up. How do you miss a final "by accident"?? Was he IN an accident?  |
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Post by centercourt400s on Jan 9, 2014 15:58:27 GMT -5
Consider this:
Jan 8th, 2013 - Hoyas get crushed at home by Pittsburgh, 73-45, in the worst home loss in JT3's career. I was there. It was horrible.
Jan 12th, 2013 - Just prior to the St. Johns game in NY it comes out that Whittington has been suspended. Speculation is that prior to the loss to Pitt the team knew about what was coming for Whittington, with obvious results. He never plays for the Hoyas again.
Jan 12th through March 14th 2013 - The Hoyas win 15 out of 17 games, including 11 straight, a win over eventual national champs Louisville, and are Big East Regular Season Champions.
If you had asked me the prognosis for the team on Jan 12th, after the Pitt debacle and after I had heard about the news regarding Whittington, I would have given you an earful of doom and gloom. And I would have been wrong.
I think the point is obvious but I'll state it anyways. It looks bad now but even the most recent season's example tells us that a winning and successful season may still lie ahead.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 9, 2014 16:14:36 GMT -5
Consider this: Jan 8th, 2013 - Hoyas get crushed at home by Pittsburgh, 73-45, in the worst home loss in JT3's career. I was there. It was horrible. Jan 12th, 2013 - Just prior to the St. Johns game in NY it comes out that Whittington has been suspended. Speculation is that prior to the loss to Pitt the team knew about what was coming for Whittington, with obvious results. He never plays for the Hoyas again. Jan 12th through March 14th 2013 - The Hoyas win 15 out of 17 games, including 11 straight, a win over eventual national champs Louisville, and are Big East Regular Season Champions. If you had asked me the prognosis for the team on Jan 12th, after the Pitt debacle and after I had heard about the news regarding Whittington, I would have given you an earful of doom and gloom. And I would have been wrong. I think the point is obvious but I'll state it anyways. It looks bad now but even the most recent season's example tells us that a winning and successful season may still lie ahead. We had Otto Porter last year. I am confident we will be better than we were last night, but "successful" will be a very subjective term this season. |
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jan 9, 2014 16:50:23 GMT -5
Success this year should be defined as a tourney birth. That being said, we need to hope the bubble is really soft like it has been since they expanded to 68 teams.
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Post by centercourt400s on Jan 9, 2014 17:10:33 GMT -5
Yeah, we had Porter last year. But what we knew about him in January was that he was really good with a lot of potential. No one expected that he could carry the team on his back like he did.
This year we have DSR who we know is very good with potential to be much better. Can he be this season's Porter (in relation to his positive impact on the team's results)? Can others unexpectedly step and shoulder more of the burden? Time will tell.
I'm really looking forward to see how they respond vs Butler.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 9, 2014 17:31:11 GMT -5
Yeah, we had Porter last year. But what we knew about him in January was that he was really good with a lot of potential. No one expected that he could carry the team on his back like he did. This year we have DSR who we know is very good with potential to be much better. Can he be this season's Porter (in relation to his positive impact on the team's results)? Can others unexpectedly step and shoulder more of the burden? Time will tell. I'm really looking forward to see how they respond vs Butler. Otto stepped up after GW went out, but he was the leader and the go-to guy since that season started. Instead of DSR stepping up like that, which I think is too much to ask of him this season, I would expect to get a 16 ppg season out of Markel. How many times have we read and listened to Markel say the right things about being competitive, not getting his due from the "experts" and how he was going to use this season to beat each guard he faced (or something like that). That chip on his shoulder is holding him back. He should just shut up, not do interviews and perform. His fouls #2, #3 and #4 vs. Providence were stupid. The three fouls happened the same way: Markel was guarding his defender who was just standing there, dribbling and letting the shot clock run. Markel stuck a hand out and it got called. Three times! It's like he didn't want to play last night. Maybe it was an off night since he started 1 of 7 from the field, but it's his senior season, he's the leader and has called himself so, it's Markel's time and the clock is ticking. |
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Post by rockhoya on Jan 9, 2014 17:49:31 GMT -5
Last year Greg missed a final by accident, now that he's at Rutgers that's kosher to say right Dan? The substitute professor did not let him make it up. How do you miss a final "by accident"?? Was he IN an accident? There are plenty of ways. It could be a morning exam and you oversleep, or maybe you got the date of the exam mixed up, or the time. It's not uncommon for students to do that. It's much more plausible than intentionally skipping one you know you will be reprimanded for.... |
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Post by prhoya on Jan 9, 2014 18:53:50 GMT -5
How do you miss a final "by accident"?? Was he IN an accident? There are plenty of ways. It could be a morning exam and you oversleep, or maybe you got the date of the exam mixed up, or the time. It's not uncommon for students to do that. It's much more plausible than intentionally skipping one you know you will be reprimanded for.... I'm sorry, but it's very "uncommon" at GU. In fact, while I was there, I never heard of anyone oversleeping or mixing final exam dates. |
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Post by drquigley on Jan 9, 2014 19:24:10 GMT -5
Consider this: Jan 8th, 2013 - Hoyas get crushed at home by Pittsburgh, 73-45, in the worst home loss in JT3's career. I was there. It was horrible. Jan 12th, 2013 - Just prior to the St. Johns game in NY it comes out that Whittington has been suspended. Speculation is that prior to the loss to Pitt the team knew about what was coming for Whittington, with obvious results. He never plays for the Hoyas again. Jan 12th through March 14th 2013 - The Hoyas win 15 out of 17 games, including 11 straight, a win over eventual national champs Louisville, and are Big East Regular Season Champions. If you had asked me the prognosis for the team on Jan 12th, after the Pitt debacle and after I had heard about the news regarding Whittington, I would have given you an earful of doom and gloom. And I would have been wrong. I think the point is obvious but I'll state it anyways. It looks bad now but even the most recent season's example tells us that a winning and successful season may still lie ahead. How about being at the 61-35 blowout of Syracuse and then two weeks later being at the Verizon Center when Syracuse kills Marquette and goes to the Final Four while we had already lost to FGCU. College hoops are crazy. |
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Post by NCHoya on Jan 9, 2014 20:13:18 GMT -5
Looking for a better effort out of the Hoyas against a quality opponent. Starks has got to stay in the game mentally for the Hoyas to have a real chance. I hate to watch Starks have a bad time on offense and it carries over to his defense where he proceeds to commit rapid fire dumb fouls. If he needs a breather to get his head straight I would rather he just take himself out of the game. Racking up fouls the way he does at times is really strange and just screws up the team. I hope an extra few days preparing to play without Smith will help the team play a little better on offense.
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Post by hoyabinx on Jan 9, 2014 20:34:13 GMT -5
Consider this: Jan 8th, 2013 - Hoyas get crushed at home by Pittsburgh, 73-45, in the worst home loss in JT3's career. I was there. It was horrible. Jan 12th, 2013 - Just prior to the St. Johns game in NY it comes out that Whittington has been suspended. Speculation is that prior to the loss to Pitt the team knew about what was coming for Whittington, with obvious results. He never plays for the Hoyas again. Jan 12th through March 14th 2013 - The Hoyas win 15 out of 17 games, including 11 straight, a win over eventual national champs Louisville, and are Big East Regular Season Champions. If you had asked me the prognosis for the team on Jan 12th, after the Pitt debacle and after I had heard about the news regarding Whittington, I would have given you an earful of doom and gloom. And I would have been wrong. I think the point is obvious but I'll state it anyways. It looks bad now but even the most recent season's example tells us that a winning and successful season may still lie ahead. I forgot about that Pitt game. Lord that was awful. How did that happen? Like the comparison. Hope it plays out that way (save FGCU), but will be happy if we make the tournament. |
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 9, 2014 20:39:23 GMT -5
simple hoyas must hustle for forty minutes or more. Must compete as coach has said. Must WANT to win. Must be mean. Yup thats it have talent just need to WILL to win providence did and we did not MONEY TIME must do it NOW> go hoyas three points or ot yup
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Post by rockhoya on Jan 9, 2014 20:59:48 GMT -5
There are plenty of ways. It could be a morning exam and you oversleep, or maybe you got the date of the exam mixed up, or the time. It's not uncommon for students to do that. It's much more plausible than intentionally skipping one you know you will be reprimanded for.... I'm sorry, but it's very "uncommon" at GU. In fact, while I was there, I never heard of anyone oversleeping or mixing final exam dates. Maybe you didn't know enough people |
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