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Post by kghoya on Jan 9, 2014 22:38:25 GMT -5
Missing a flash mob final is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. No, I'm sorry...HAVING A FLASH MOB FINAL is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
I've been hoping that rumor was false since last January.
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RusskyHoya
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Post by RusskyHoya on Jan 9, 2014 22:55:07 GMT -5
I went to Colgate if you really want to know. Stop acting like GU is some perfect school with perfect young adults and students. I've had multiple family members at GU so I'm nou hating. Newsflash: there is no school in the country that has perfect students, and kids can be irresponsible anywhere. But I also knew kids at other schools who did the same thing. In fact, I know more than one GU student that mixed up their exam times. Random aside: the guy who writes The Georgetown Metropolitan blog also went to Colgate. Town-gown relations a little different in Hamilton than they are around these parts...
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 9, 2014 23:27:28 GMT -5
Mod Note: OK, enough Whittington exam talk. This is the Butler pre-game thread. Let's try to get back on topic. Any more and I'll separate it out into another thread.
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Post by FLHoya on Jan 10, 2014 0:04:50 GMT -5
Mod Note: OK, enough Whittington exam talk. This is the Butler pre-game thread. Let's try to get back on topic. I can't believe Val Ackerman isn't going to let Brandon Miller re-take tonight's DePaul game. Synergy. -123- fireballs
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Post by CAHoya07 on Jan 10, 2014 2:58:39 GMT -5
I know it's early, but Villanova, Creighton, and Xavier, all 3-0 in Big East, look like solid NCAA squads at this point. Next up is Georgetown, and our loss to Providence puts us in the second tier of Big East teams and squarely on the bubble.
We need this Butler game. So do they, especially after their confounding loss to DePaul that dropped them to 0-3 in Big East. Both teams are better than their last game, they just need to show up and prove it. Should be an interesting matchup.
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HoyaFanNY
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Jan 10, 2014 5:15:01 GMT -5
this is really a must win game for both teams. can't go into a game at xavier off two straight losses. time for the upperclassmen to step up.
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Post by calhoya on Jan 10, 2014 11:49:55 GMT -5
Sounding like a broken record, but at this point in the season no quality team is going to sit back and allow Starks and DSR to shoot at will. We can expect that the perimeter defense will be aggressive and the Hoyas will be forced to demonstrate the ability to score inside the paint. That scoring does not have to come from the post play, but if the guards are going to slash and dish, they will have to avoid the turnovers in the lane that have been common in recent games. Nate, Moses, Jabril, Bowen and Hopkins have to be at least credible threats. This season is not over and the NCAA tournament is not out of the question, but for the second year in a row, JT III is going to have to adapt and construct an offense with the team he has and not the team he expected to have.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 10, 2014 12:17:38 GMT -5
DePaul is going to win. I guess that makes that a quality win. Whose idea was it to invite this Butler bunch into our conference??!
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Post by OldHoyafan on Jan 10, 2014 13:55:03 GMT -5
Sounding like a broken record, but at this point in the season no quality team is going to sit back and allow Starks and DSR to shoot at will. We can expect that the perimeter defense will be aggressive and the Hoyas will be forced to demonstrate the ability to score inside the paint. That scoring does not have to come from the post play, but if the guards are going to slash and dish, they will have to avoid the turnovers in the lane that have been common in recent games. Nate, Moses, Jabril, Bowen and Hopkins have to be at least credible threats. This season is not over and the NCAA tournament is not ot of the question, but for the second year in a row, JT III is going to have to adapt and construct an offense with the team he has and not the team he expected to have. Exactly, III will have to devise a game plan outside of the Princeton offense. He just does not have the pieces to make that offense work at this time. There will be very few back cut baskets and few open looks from perimeter by guards. There really will not be much post play by either Moses or Hopkins. With Nate, Jabril, and Ayegba there is not much offense other than rebound put backs. If Butler plays like Providence there will not be any lanes for Jabril to drive and you really do not want Nate or Moses to shoot more than 5 feet from basket. Sometimes you just have to take your lumps and this year is that time for the Hoyas. Cameron will be torched on defense, but you have to take the chance that he will give you more on offense than he gives up on defense. Cameron and Domingo should be ordered to take open shots and be assured they will not be yanked if they miss the first few shots. I have yet to see Domingo hit a 3. As long as the shot is an open unforced shot then they should take it because there is no where else to go to look for offense. You have to take the chance on those two giving the team something positive. If not then a repeat of Providence will be the norm.
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Post by This Just In on Jan 10, 2014 14:18:44 GMT -5
Sounding like a broken record, but at this point in the season no quality team is going to sit back and allow Starks and DSR to shoot at will. We can expect that the perimeter defense will be aggressive and the Hoyas will be forced to demonstrate the ability to score inside the paint. That scoring does not have to come from the post play, but if the guards are going to slash and dish, they will have to avoid the turnovers in the lane that have been common in recent games. Nate, Moses, Jabril, Bowen and Hopkins have to be at least credible threats. This season is not over and the NCAA tournament is not ot of the question, but for the second year in a row, JT III is going to have to adapt and construct an offense with the team he has and not the team he expected to have. Exactly, III will have to devise a game plan outside of the Princeton offense. He just does not have the pieces to make that offense work at this time. There will be very few back cut baskets and few open looks from perimeter by guards. There really will not be much post play by either Moses or Hopkins. With Nate, Jabril, and Ayegba there is not much offense other than rebound put backs. If Butler plays like Providence there will not be any lanes for Jabril to drive and you really do not want Nate or Moses to shoot more than 5 feet from basket. Sometimes you just have to take your lumps and this year is that time for the Hoyas. Cameron will be torched on defense, but you have to take the chance that he will give you more on offense than he gives up on defense. Cameron and Domingo should be ordered to take open shots and be assured they will not be yanked if they miss the first few shots. I have yet to see Domingo hit a 3. As long as the shot is an open unforced shot then they should take it because there is no where else to go to look for offense. You have to take the chance on those two giving the team something positive. If not then a repeat of Providence will be the norm. I am curious about how many times have the team over the years ran an offense outside of the Princeton offense?? Isn't the Princeton O something that is run pretty much regardless of the team makeup?? Also I have seen Domingo hit a 3 this year...and since these guys are all in the same boat (meaning we have seen the quick hook), who leads in 3 pt shots made this year. Cameron, Bowen or Domingo??
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 10, 2014 14:31:17 GMT -5
Exactly, III will have to devise a game plan outside of the Princeton offense. He just does not have the pieces to make that offense work at this time. There will be very few back cut baskets and few open looks from perimeter by guards. There really will not be much post play by either Moses or Hopkins. With Nate, Jabril, and Ayegba there is not much offense other than rebound put backs. If Butler plays like Providence there will not be any lanes for Jabril to drive and you really do not want Nate or Moses to shoot more than 5 feet from basket. Sometimes you just have to take your lumps and this year is that time for the Hoyas. Cameron will be torched on defense, but you have to take the chance that he will give you more on offense than he gives up on defense. Cameron and Domingo should be ordered to take open shots and be assured they will not be yanked if they miss the first few shots. I have yet to see Domingo hit a 3. As long as the shot is an open unforced shot then they should take it because there is no where else to go to look for offense. You have to take the chance on those two giving the team something positive. If not then a repeat of Providence will be the norm. I am curious about how many times have the team over the years ran an offense outside of the Princeton offense?? Isn't the Princeton O something that is run pretty much regardless of the team makeup?? Also I have seen Domingo hit a 3 this year...and since these guys are all in the same boat (meaning we have seen the quick hook), who leads in 3 pt shots made this year. Cameron, Bowen or Domingo?? Cameron 9-24 (37.5%), Bowen 4-18 (22.2%), Domingo 1-9 (11.1%). Domingo has so far matched his 3FG% of last year (when he was 2-18 on the season). It's really unbelievable that halfway through his sophomore season, this kid that we recruited as a sniper from outside has a grand total of 3 made three pointers for his career.
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Post by sleepy on Jan 10, 2014 15:01:59 GMT -5
Sounding like a broken record, but at this point in the season no quality team is going to sit back and allow Starks and DSR to shoot at will. We can expect that the perimeter defense will be aggressive and the Hoyas will be forced to demonstrate the ability to score inside the paint. That scoring does not have to come from the post play, but if the guards are going to slash and dish, they will have to avoid the turnovers in the lane that have been common in recent games. Nate, Moses, Jabril, Bowen and Hopkins have to be at least credible threats. This season is not over and the NCAA tournament is not ot of the question, but for the second year in a row, JT III is going to have to adapt and construct an offense with the team he has and not the team he expected to have. Exactly, III will have to devise a game plan outside of the Princeton offense. He just does not have the pieces to make that offense work at this time. There will be very few back cut baskets and few open looks from perimeter by guards. There really will not be much post play by either Moses or Hopkins. With Nate, Jabril, and Ayegba there is not much offense other than rebound put backs. If Butler plays like Providence there will not be any lanes for Jabril to drive and you really do not want Nate or Moses to shoot more than 5 feet from basket. Sometimes you just have to take your lumps and this year is that time for the Hoyas. Cameron will be torched on defense, but you have to take the chance that he will give you more on offense than he gives up on defense. Cameron and Domingo should be ordered to take open shots and be assured they will not be yanked if they miss the first few shots. I have yet to see Domingo hit a 3. As long as the shot is an open unforced shot then they should take it because there is no where else to go to look for offense. You have to take the chance on those two giving the team something positive. If not then a repeat of Providence will be the norm. people get far too caught up in the "Princeton offense".It's not like its one offense that is the same year after year after year. Our offense in 2007 was completely different than 2010 and 2012 was completely different from both of those. We haven't run the "Princeton" all season or really at all last season. This year we have completely abandoned it for a two man game, which is now shot if Smith's out all season. We would be better off if we were running anything at all resembling the Princeton offense because now we have nothing essentially.
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Post by biggmanu on Jan 10, 2014 15:40:32 GMT -5
Nate needs to score 10 points in this game. Will be curious if Hopper gets the start or if Moses gets the nod again. Just nervous about Moses getting into early early foul trouble. I think Nate should be in the middle when we play zone defense flanked by Hopper and Jabril extending out on their wing guys who are deadly from beyond the arc. When Moses gets lost in his rotations it gets Jabril and Nate into foul trouble. Maybe a line up with Markel, DSR, Nate, Hopper, Moses with Nate in the middle of the zone would be a good look for us. Would give us a little more defense and rebounding. I'd be surprised if we press as much this game after the debacle at the dunk.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 10, 2014 15:51:02 GMT -5
Exactly, III will have to devise a game plan outside of the Princeton offense. . We haven't been running the Princeton all year and you are still complaining about it. Princeton involves all five guys being able to handle the ball, pass, and shoot from outside. Trawick, Bowen, Lubick, Joshua and Moses can't shoot from outside. We only have three guys who have perimeter shots DSR, Starks and Hopkins. (And Hopkins shot is erratic and he turns it over too much). It also involves the big flashing to the high post and then getting touches to run the offense with backdoors, drives to the basket, perimeter shots or kick outs to 3 pt shooters. In past years Hibbert, Monroe, Sims, Porter, Lubick have played that role. But we aren't even looking for it this year because we aren't using the Princeton right now, we simply don't have the personal. Look at Lubick's assist numbers, they are way down. We have been using less of the shot clock, not facilitating the offense through the high post, and going to the full court and half court press, all things counter to the Princeton offense all season.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jan 10, 2014 16:43:59 GMT -5
Hoping we aren't Butler's first ever Big East W. Gotta get this one and go into Xavier with some momentum.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jan 10, 2014 16:50:55 GMT -5
No Josh again tomorrow...hope we can get the ball moving in transition.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jan 10, 2014 20:10:45 GMT -5
DePaul is going to win. I guess that makes that a quality win. Whose idea was it to invite this Butler bunch into our conference??! Jack or Jack Jr. They wanted to find some friends.
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Post by bmartin on Jan 10, 2014 21:10:41 GMT -5
Actually, the best chance this team has is to start running the Princeton offense. We have tried dribble-drive but that strategy is turnover prone. We don't have good ball movement or off the ball movement because the non-guards either play timidly or out if control.
Some big has to receive and pass the ball without stopping the flow or turning the ball over. The player who has to step up is Nate Lubick. He is the only player other than Starks who knows how to make a good pass and also when to make a pass. He can't be a minimal usage player any longer. He can be a high post/ elbow distributor and allow Starks and DSR to move more off the ball.
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Post by tashoya on Jan 10, 2014 21:37:04 GMT -5
I'd like to see Moses start at the 5 and Hopkins at the 4. Moses for rebounding and Mikael is a better offensive option than Nate. Nate off the bench to spell both guys. Also, with Hopkins in the game, I'd hope to see more Cameron. With Lubick in, more Jabril.
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Post by calhoya on Jan 11, 2014 8:37:11 GMT -5
May be time to go smaller and try to play faster. Butler is pretty big, particularly on the perimeter, but they are not athletic or fast. Bowen is a kid who plays much bigger than his height. He is limited on the outside but his quickness allows him to get inside and outmaneuver players. He can rebound and draw fouls. As crazy as it may sound, maybe it is worth letting Bowen play some 4 with Hopkins at the 5. Use Moses and Lubick as well, but this team simply cannot have Nate and Moses in together for long stretches. Neither one is a threat to score. I know running is not the Hoyas' game, but unless there is a threat to score inside the halfcourt offense is going to stall and our guards are going to have a hard time getting off shots.
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